World Republic against Mujengan

I gotta admit I thought it would be lopsided but you guys are really putting up a good fight:)

Yeah, we have improved a lot since our previous war. It's a combination of better organisation, better preparation, more reserves and better tech.

And less inactives

In light of the new developments, the emergence of TMI if anyone hasn't noticed, and while waiting to see what their farming police will be, I don't see the point continuing this war. A truce should be worked out.

doxakk wrote:In light of the new developments, the emergence of TMI if anyone hasn't noticed, and while waiting to see what their farming police will be, I don't see the point continuing this war. A truce should be worked out.

I read this as
"I am scared of the new allinace that has been formed. I think we should stop our current war and stock more incase they do something."

exactly. I hope the leaders of both alliances see it also

*sigh*

Doxakk so now you think that TMI will take on Muj and WR? Oh, damn skippy, you caught us red handed!!!

*DISCLAIMER*

My post was sarcastic. So you wish to end the war? Please do so but cut the bull that it's about us. Duke it out as real men would do, not because TMI emerged, please. It has nothing to do with you.

TMI was the solution for a very big problem. Inactivity and players leaving. Not a means to engage in another all out war.

curumo wrote:*sigh*

Doxakk so now you think that TMI will take on Muj and WR? Oh, damn skippy, you caught us red handed!!!

No I don't think so and wish you all the best in your new alliance.
What I said was that there is no point, according to me, to continue the war over alliance
farming policies that might not be valid very soon. I expect that whatever farming policy TMI decides on, the other alliances should take into consideration in
formatting their own policies. So a truce until then sounds reasonable to me and if they want to continue the war after that there is nothing stopping them.
And don't think that I am implying anything about TMI imposing anything on other alliances, the truce request is directed to the leaders and members of WR and Muj.

If what you are saying is true - then sorry if I insulted you in any way. Our farming policy will be very similar to TIE and TM's. But yeah if you feel the need to end the war, then do so.

If not - happy hunting.

Curumo

Over and out.

So a truce until then sounds reasonable to me.

No

Lol ... really pathetic. WR had at any given time just a few strikes capable of farming TIE or TM and now when they have NONE they talk about a truce. My god, it really smells.

Any truce or peace will involve a MASSIVE war reparation from WR ... you are losing this war because you have no idea how to wage a war.

Just an example ... a really pathetic attempt of massing :
[14 Oct] 14:56 azazel196 13861 0 4,853,672,145 25,973,246,707 details
[14 Oct] 14:56 azazel196 13891 9729 5,757,790,500 24,857,700,784 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 14148 10428 6,309,224,166 24,494,611,192 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 15416 10457 6,111,718,158 24,369,502,840 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 15593 11261 7,190,980,650 25,589,783,419 details
[14 Oct] 14:27 Twvlsman 11444 0 4,572,676,317 25,589,783,419 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 12239 9768 5,554,422,510 27,048,315,950 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 12023 10871 6,093,029,966 24,736,418,550 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 13045 10958 6,433,113,566 26,528,747,534 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 13919 11228 6,785,300,520 27,524,651,964 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 14080 12094 7,341,851,317 26,552,713,588 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 14995 12371 7,550,929,008 27,009,807,354 details
[14 Oct] 14:24 Twvlsman 23477 15910 8,419,425,000 29,697,456,764 details

In case you don't know let me tell you that massing involves your opponent to lose more not less. Maybe Kenzu should send you drawings with it

rflash wrote:Lol ... really pathetic. WR had at any given time just a few strikes capable of farming TIE or TM and now when they have NONE they talk about a truce. My god, it really smells.

Any truce or peace will involve a MASSIVE war reparation from WR ... you are losing this war because you have no idea how to wage a war.

Just an example ... a really pathetic attempt of massing :
[14 Oct] 14:56 azazel196 13861 0 4,853,672,145 25,973,246,707 details
[14 Oct] 14:56 azazel196 13891 9729 5,757,790,500 24,857,700,784 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 14148 10428 6,309,224,166 24,494,611,192 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 15416 10457 6,111,718,158 24,369,502,840 details
[14 Oct] 14:55 azazel196 15593 11261 7,190,980,650 25,589,783,419 details
[14 Oct] 14:27 Twvlsman 11444 0 4,572,676,317 25,589,783,419 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 12239 9768 5,554,422,510 27,048,315,950 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 12023 10871 6,093,029,966 24,736,418,550 details
[14 Oct] 14:26 Twvlsman 13045 10958 6,433,113,566 26,528,747,534 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 13919 11228 6,785,300,520 27,524,651,964 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 14080 12094 7,341,851,317 26,552,713,588 details
[14 Oct] 14:25 Twvlsman 14995 12371 7,550,929,008 27,009,807,354 details
[14 Oct] 14:24 Twvlsman 23477 15910 8,419,425,000 29,697,456,764 details

In case you don't know let me tell you that massing involves your opponent to lose more not less. Maybe Kenzu should send you drawings with it

You sound like you are surprised that you are being targetted. Don't you know we are at war?

Btw, the attacks against you was target practice so that our members can have some fun as most Mujengan have no defs.

Massing involves destroying enemy assets and it doesnt matter if we lose more less.

Besides, after we massed you once, and you rebuilt you thought it was going to be over? Of course not. But this was no mass.

It's called "softening enemy defenses"

The main target of our strikes today lied elsewhere anyway.

Kenzu look at adrian and le chirurgien. They might have some defs:P

This is the first war I've fought in on Aderan Wars, I think I'm doing pretty well.

I would like to make one thing clear. There will be no truce and no ceasefire. There will be either war or peace, no truce. Also, all negotiations will be made during war, and hostile missions can be done up to the point when peace is in effect.

doxakk wrote:In light of the new developments, the emergence of TMI if anyone hasn't noticed, and while waiting to see what their farming police will be, I don't see the point continuing this war. A truce should be worked out.

What you say is very reasonable. And the emerging of such a powerful alliance as TMI needs serious thought. Although I don't expect that they are going to launch an attack on either of us there was a big shift in balance of power. When before we had 4 alliances, which were roughly equally strong. Now we have one alliance two times stronger than the other two.

The reason why I don't think they want to get involved is because if they don't, then the war is quite balanced, which means it can last very long, which is of an advantage for TMI. I mean what alliance wouldn't enjoy seeing competitor/rival alliances ripping each others head of?

curumo wrote:*sigh*

Doxakk so now you think that TMI will take on Muj and WR? Oh, damn skippy, you caught us red handed!!!

*DISCLAIMER*

My post was sarcastic. So you wish to end the war? Please do so but cut the bull that it's about us. Duke it out as real men would do, not because TMI emerged, please. It has nothing to do with you.

TMI was the solution for a very big problem. Inactivity and players leaving. Not a means to engage in another all out war.

Such a big event concerns all of us.

doxakk wrote:

curumo wrote:*sigh*

Doxakk so now you think that TMI will take on Muj and WR? Oh, damn skippy, you caught us red handed!!!

No I don't think so and wish you all the best in your new alliance.
What I said was that there is no point, according to me, to continue the war over alliance
farming policies that might not be valid very soon. I expect that whatever farming policy TMI decides on, the other alliances should take into consideration in
formatting their own policies. So a truce until then sounds reasonable to me and if they want to continue the war after that there is nothing stopping them.
And don't think that I am implying anything about TMI imposing anything on other alliances, the truce request is directed to the leaders and members of WR and Muj.

curumo wrote:If what you are saying is true - then sorry if I insulted you in any way. Our farming policy will be very similar to TIE and TM's. But yeah if you feel the need to end the war, then do so.

If not - happy hunting.

Curumo

Over and out.

The war is not because of farming policies, but because of a mass raid. And since TMI is keeping similar farming policies, there is no need to discuss these.

Now back to the war.

Now what was the goal of World Republic? It was to let everyone know that massing our members doesn't pay off. Considering that Mujengan has already lost over a 1000-fold of what they earned, we have been successful at achieving what we wanted. This means that the way is open for peace negotiations, should Mujengan feel ready for the next step. Obviously for peace both alliances have to agree.

However the impression I have right now is that Mujengan think they can win this war (It's solely based on the remarks of rflash). This obviously means that there will be war until Mujengan realise that they cannot win. The best they can achieve is a stalemate, but at the current rate of their destruction the war might end in their defeat.

Whenever Mujengan feel that there was enough war, all they need to do is message me, and we can sort it out.

I would like to make one thing clear. There will be no truce and no ceasefire. There will be either war or peace, no truce. Also, all negotiations will be made during war, and hostile missions can be done up to the point when peace is in effect.

Until then, good luck in the war!

All I see here is "TMI, please don't hit me, I'm an old lady with heart issues".
But you got one thing right, there will be no truce.

Recently I was reading about the cost of war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think it would be nice to know the real cost of war here on AW.

1$ gives you 27,248,886,500 kuwal.

WR cost of this war:
29,716,930,577,100 kuwal = 1090.6$

Mujengan cost of this war:
26,167,319,915,400 kuwal = 960.3$

Total cost: 2050.9$

Now that's a nice amount of money. You could even finance a nice trip abroad with it. Of course, if there was no war, no one would have this money in his bank account, only on his aderan wars account, but still it's interesting to see losses in USD.

If your really interested in the true cost then you also need to take into account all of the ancillary costs as well.

If your only interested in AW costs then you need to qualify your statement as your costing is only relevant to players who will spend real money on AW resources. For those who don't spend money the cost is $0 as their only investment is time

Manleva wrote:If your really interested in the true cost then you also need to take into account all of the ancillary costs as well.

If your only interested in AW costs then you need to qualify your statement as your costing is only relevant to players who will spend real money on AW resources. For those who don't spend money the cost is $0 as their only investment is time

Which is imo considered in his last sentence, he did say afterall that it doesn't mean someone would have paid this actually.

plus time cost and the like is almost impossible to calculate accurately without extensive investment in time itself to get all data about everyone and their lives to compare options of earning RL money and investing time into AW, defying the point of writing a simple USD based cost of a war for the lulz

Here a short report on populations of World Republic and Mujengan before the war, and now (one week after the war started).

Mujengan
October 9th - 710.180.000
October 16th - 673.477.780

Decrease by 36.702.220 population

World Republic
October 9th - 746.172.000
October 16th - 762.816.000

Increase by 16.644.000 population

And this happened despite kaiballz our member with 20 million population leaving alliance and going on vacation mode to sell his account.
(He started selling before the war started, but left alliance only when I told him to leave, during the war.)

With vacated players our population is even higher at 836.857.837 population. What a nice number

The population gap between World Republic and Mujengan increased by 53.346.220 population

Admin wrote:

Manleva wrote:If your really interested in the true cost then you also need to take into account all of the ancillary costs as well.

If your only interested in AW costs then you need to qualify your statement as your costing is only relevant to players who will spend real money on AW resources. For those who don't spend money the cost is $0 as their only investment is time

Which is imo considered in his last sentence, he did say afterall that it doesn't mean someone would have paid this actually.

plus time cost and the like is almost impossible to calculate accurately without extensive investment in time itself to get all data about everyone and their lives to compare options of earning RL money and investing time into AW, defying the point of writing a simple USD based cost of a war for the lulz

True about that. Seems that Manleva didn't read my full post.
In any case, if you want to consider real opportunity cost, and we got hypothetically a player, who is an investment banker that earns say 20.000$ per month and works say 60 hours a week, then he earns 75$ an hour on average. And if he works from home and plays AW, when he could earn more money by working during his whole free time, then the cost of war for him is 75$ for each hour spent. If he then spends two hours on the game each day and the war lasts a month, then he alone effectively has opportunity costs of 4500$. He might as well bought a new account, but then again it's leisure time and buying a new account is not as much fun as building and fighting.

LOL kenzu..How can u be so full of crap???????What about that account you are stripping now ei????Is that the only one???
Whatamidoinghere over 60 mil as and now just 23 mil . Azazel was in vac mode before the war and then he got out just like that. Makes me wonder...........

Do I have to remind you that Smog stripped an account as well? His population jumped from 50 million to 100 million all of a sudden. Now that wasn't internal growth, was it? Does the name Jiro ring a bell?

Who knows how many other accounts Mujengan has stripped.

Are you upset that you got massed today or what? Is that why you are making these observations?

It was before the war started. You took resources after the war. How can u be so stupid to post that an alliance has increased as with 16 mil in one week during a war???I wonder who can believe that. Smog had 66 mil as not 50. Please stop the lies

Ok, he had 66 million. That doesn't change the fact that he stripped an account. And it also doesn't change the fact how populations have changed in the last week.

None of this are lies. It's simple facts.
But I don't understand why you care so much about populations.
It's not so important anyway, but you look like you want to start a forum war over it.