World Republic against Mujengan

I received a message from a member who said that he has been massed. When I checked the logs I saw it was Mujengan. I asked Mujengan to repay all damage caused, but they made lame excuses instead of compensating our member. When I tried to convince them they they should pay, it was fruitless. So now they have a war on their hands.

I am sad to go to war against a former ally. But we will never let our members get massed, not even by Mujengan.

I hope that when this war ends, that in the future you will talk to us more before doing such things. And if you think that someone is inactive and you want to mass them and raid them, next time at least send them a message and ask them to train their units. Did a player have uu out because he raided them? Or because he untrained them to get SS? It doesn't matter. If you want to mass someone, you should at least have the decency to ask them if they are active and suggest them to train their units.

Smog and Amani (and maybe others as well) were those who did this, and their alliance is responsible for their actions. Since they did not want to repay the harm they caused, there shall be war!

i've always wanted to be in a war. but this came just as i had to leave the game out of lack of time. So i'm sorry to my wonderful alliance but i can't help as i'm selling my account already... i wish you good luck in the war.

Again, i'm sorry to my alliance for selling my account in their hour of need but its just unlucky timing. I also have to withdraw from the war for obvious reasons (in case it isn't obvious, its cos i'm selling my account, LOL)

edit: in case anyone is interested, the details are in the cash market section

We will be missing you kaiballz! You were a great member, and an awesome leader on Red Apocalypse!

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Here the war experience of our alliance. The first wave has led to the following kills and casualties:

With uu prices at 375.000 kuwal.
World Republic has used 6,662,024,602,000 (6.7 trillion kuwal) worth of resources to destroy
8,341,721,912,000 (8.3 trillion kuwal) of Mujengan assets.

The exact losses and kills were following:

Kills:
Attack Soldiers Killed (80) 372,476
Attack Mercs Killed (60) 0
Defense Soldiers Killed (200) 2,497,619
Defense Mercs Killed (150) 51,752
Spies Killed (60) 2,970,918
Assassins Killed (60) 3,541,864
Workers Killed (50) 268,884
Miners Killed (50) 2,820,787
Fighters Destroyed (-) 0
Fighter Value Destroyed (-) 0
Space Stations Destroyed (-) 0
Weapons Destroyed (0.0002) 2,904,233,472,000

Losses:
Attack Soldiers Lost 4,080,813
Attack Mercs Lost 0
Defense Soldiers Lost 23,781
Defense Mercs Lost 0
Spies Lost 0
Assassins Lost 2,029,125
Workers Lost 0
Miners Lost 0
Fighters Lost 0
Fighter Value Lost 0
Space Stations Lost 0
Weapons Lost 3,654,880,252,000

There was a prediction that this war will last 1-2 months. However after the first wave our reserves remain full and there is almost nothing left to mass, with the exception of a couple players who hit protection after being partially massed. Sure Mujengan will rebuild and attempt a counterattack, so will we. It currently looks like this war will end sooner than anticipated. In any case, I wish good luck everyone in the war. I hope the war will give everyone more time to think about following alliance policies in the future.

Big mistake massing me

Looks like i'll start getting active again.

Be prepared WR, be VERY prepared

Wait let me see if I have this right.
2 players in an allinace massed/raided.
The players wouldn't repay.
The allinace wouldn't repay.

Instead of hitting the 2 that did the actions you hit the allinace.
That's a bit absurd and a bit extreme.

Yeah that was a bit absurd. Btw the player massed and raided had over 800 k uus that were equal to over 50 days of inactivity. And he became active after the raid

To me thats a good raid..
The only issue I have is the massing part.

seaborgium wrote:Wait let me see if I have this right.
2 players in an allinace massed/raided.
The players wouldn't repay.
The allinace wouldn't repay.

Instead of hitting the 2 that did the actions you hit the allinace.
That's a bit absurd and a bit extreme.

Actually we dont know how many were involved as there have been made assassinations. The two players Smog and Amani are the only ones who we have evidence were part of the massing. More members could have been involved.

vaga wrote:Yeah that was a bit absurd. Btw the player massed and raided had over 800 k uus that were equal to over 50 days of inactivity. And he became active after the raid

I believe that's incorrect. 462,278 uu have been raided, so I assume he had probably 600k uu out. I also sometimes keep a couple hundred k uu out. That doesn't mean I am inactive.

The worst thing was that they didnt even bother to ask him if he is active. And they haven't considered how World Republic would react.
When trying to solve the issue peacefully, Smog's rudeness didn't help either.

The reason why the whole Mujengan have been targeted and not only two members was mainly because it wasn't simply a member of Mujengan braking World Republic policy against the will of Mujengan, but the leader himself, who still thinks what he has done was right. He should know best that all of Mujengan can be held accountable for what he does.

Keinutnai wrote:The reason why the whole Mujengan have been targeted and not only two members was mainly because it wasn't simply a member of Mujengan braking World Republic policy, but the leader himself. He should know best that all of Mujengan can be held accountable for what he does.

Thats utter crap and you know it. A leader takes charge, and shows how things should be done. While I agree they should be the most punished. You don't take it out on the group for what the top brass does on his own accord.

The hardest hit has been felt not by average members, but by Mujengan elite, their massers.
Rflash, their best account was the first to be massed.

If massing Smog and Amani would help to convince them not to mass our members, then we would not have targetted other Mujengan members at all. But we all know that it would not help.

There will be massive losses on both sides and one thing is sure:
Those 500k uu they raided were not worth it.
And we will make sure that any mass raid against an active member of World Republic will not pay off!

And now to make it clear. We don't say that you should never mass-raid players. Obviously the temptation might become big, but when you want to do it, you should do your best not to mass an active player and also wage all the possible risks.

There are many solutions to this problem, one could be that they ask if a player is active, and if he didnt log in for say 2 weeks, then a mass raid might be acceptable. Of course they probably didnt want to ask us because they were afraid we would mass raid them ourselves if he was inactive, however we can also agree on not massing them if they found them first. This all has to be agreed before a mass raid is done. They didn't bother, and now they are at a loss.

Thats funny crap.
I once messaged about a player who Had a lot of UU out.
I was told active. I later found out less then 24 hours that your own Sara has assaulted and raid that player.

The only temptation that I am seeing is the one that DDE over in SGW follows.
"Don't hit us, you will be massed. Hit Us twice we take out your allinace. Hit a 3rd time you will no longer be allowed stats.
Don't whine when we hit you, else you will be massed."
The only reason that isn't done here is because your bother took the time to limit that. That limit so far has been the only thing to save your account many times over.

seaborgium wrote:Thats funny crap.
I once messaged about a player who Had a lot of UU out.
I was told active. I later found out less then 24 hours that your own Sara has assaulted and raid that player.

The only temptation that I am seeing is the one that DDE over in SGW follows.
"Don't hit us, you will be massed. Hit Us twice we take out your allinace. Hit a 3rd time you will no longer be allowed stats.
Don't whine when we hit you, else you will be massed."
The only reason that isn't done here is because your bother took the time to limit that. That limit so far has been the only thing to save your account many times over.

Which player are you talking about?
And who have you messaged?
As far as I know Sara didnt mass raid anyone for a very long time.

If you tell me now to check a player if he is inactive or not and I see he is inactive, I would tell you. If you think I would tell other alliance members to mass raid that person, then you are mistaken. Now would you do the same for me if I asked for the activity of one of your members?

About the SGW, that makes no sense. I played SGW myself, and I fought DDE, so that if they massed me. I farmed for a couple hours and massed a couple of them. The game mechanics is completely different. Being massed there is no big deal as you can rebuild fast, so you can't compare these two games at all.

And if you have missed the point World Republic supports equal treatment, so there will never be anything like what DDE does over at SGW. Mass raiding is fine as long as its an inactive player. Consult us first, we will check it for you, and if the player is inactive you may mass raid him. It's no big deal.

This was sortly after vis rejoined wr.
Mechhanics aren't the same but can still pull off the same concept.

I am done.
This is muj and wr thing.
I only wanted to point out flaw in concept.

After 1 day of fighting
WR destroyed: 14,1 trillion of assets (value of 37.600.000 uu. Stealing the 450.000 uu has not paid off)
WR lost: 15.1 trillion of assets

I could write a long list of who we have massed and what exactly we have destroyed, but I don't feel bothered to do that.

Small recap of what happened after the first wave of attacks:

We kept on massing their members all day long until a couple hours ago Mujengan launched an attack against WR. Smog also tried to assault me. Well it didn't go well for him this time. Maybe next time he will be more lucky. Now they went on hiding with their strikes, but they can't hide forever.

Oh, and if someone cares, the Tech of average Mujengan player is higher than the tech of average World Republic player (although the gap is much smaller than in any war World Republic has been ever before), but it doesn't matter, because we outproduce them and don't care to lose more. The opportunity cost of their techs is a much bigger loss than the losses due to the tech gap. I saw a player with 300% in a tech. What a waste.

I am astonished how easy it was to mass Mujengan. There is not much left we have to mass, except a couple massers who rebuild strikes and a couple individuals. I wonder if we will face the same problems that TIE had, when there was nothing to mass. I assume that Mujengan will regroup and take out their big guns in the upcomming days. This is promising!

Ah that explains why im climbing up the rank like crazy from 107 to 98 in the next hour. I was like wtf, whats is going on. What will happen next? I wonder what...

I believe I was recently mass raided without a message.

So wtf

Hippocrites gonna pay

so many delicious targets are under protected that i can hit and steal massive amount of kuwals. <--- Jealous.

What will i do with those ton of kuwal? Hmmmm... dunno, maybe spend it on upgrading uu per turn.

United universe union reminds me of an alliance I was in back then called united universe nation.

Anyways, you farm me for less than 10b profit and I mass ya. So farm WR, they're defenses will be brought down to a suitable level soon enough.

Just to point out some crap: -reaper- is the one mass-raided. He had 811k uu the day he got massed. I had been watching him for about 2 weeks. In this time he always has 6001 attack turns, never increased unit production or techs. As fas as keinutnai thinks, he was just banking for the whole 811.000/15.850=51 days. Seems fair... Only thing is that -reaper-'s bank is probably a day's income large.

Oh, and about techs, I have a 310% one. Check that for a waste )

Go Mujengan <3 your work!

[10 Oct] 12:25 Freethinker94 48599 18281 31,378,325,493 30,007,701,504 details
what a waste this techs are

Steveanaya wrote:I believe I was recently mass raided without a message.

So wtf

Hippocrites gonna pay

I am sure you are in a war, so the hypocrites comment doesn't count and you know it.

Steveanaya wrote:United universe union reminds me of an alliance I was in back then called united universe nation.

Anyways, you farm me for less than 10b profit and I mass ya. So farm WR, they're defenses will be brought down to a suitable level soon enough.

again your full of it.
As of right now if I would hit you I only need 8.5b profit.
User Stats
Name: steveanaya [ Mujengan ]
{Currently under Temporary Protection}
Commander: Ebduncan
Race: Hualu
Gender:
Trading:
Rank: 100
Treasury: 12,207,044,070 Kuwal
Defense level: High
Army Size: 56,478,200
56,478,200*150 = 8,471,730,000.

Awww, missed my chance. -_- I but. go both sides! Keep up the good work! Who should write a war story about this epic wars?

Steve, really? :O

Here some update on alliance powers:
Mujengan dropped in power by 400 million while World Republic increased in power by about 10 million.

8 Oct:
1 World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 2,658,993,734,916 12,309,387,170 77
2 Mujengan Smog 1,475,013,055,989 22,942,178,672 21
3 The_Marauders seaborgium 1,814,736,308,026 10,899,773,189 19
4 The_Imperium ian 1,343,474,897,113 26,115,415,807 22

11 Oct:
1 World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 2,667,589,254,905 14,494,196,665 76
2 Mujengan Smog 1,071,354,847,396 26,144,265,116 21
3 The_Marauders seaborgium 1,902,096,420,624 10,980,561,427 19
4 The_Imperium ian 1,223,608,917,651 26,240,165,126 21