World Republic vs. The Imperium

World Republic just elected to declare war on The Imperium Sucks when your enemy comes online half way through though doesn't it guys?

So - now for the butchers bill.

I started off with 10,000 attack supers, 50,000 spies, 50,000 assassins, 30,000 defence supers and 30,000 IFV's, 100,000 miners and 60,000 workers.

Currently i stand at:

Workers (60 income per turn) 58,899 (0) - 1,101 workers - 155,000,000 kuwal's worth.
Miners (70 income per turn) 95,468 (0) - 4,532 miners - 500,000,000 kuwal's worth

Spies 47,385 (0) - 2,615 spies - 380,000,000 kuwal's worth
Assassins 19,477 (0) - 30,523 assassins - 4,425,000,000 kuwal's worth (including training costs)
Trained Defense Supers 13,296 (0) - 16,704 - 4,176,000,000 kuwal's worth (including training costs)
Trained Attack Supers 8,203 (0) - 1,797 attack supers, so including training costs - 450,000,000 kuwal's worth.

I lost all 30,000 IFV's - so 5,520,000,000 kuwal's worth.

Total kuwal loss: 15,606,000,000 kuwal's worth. My daily economy currently stands at 3,087,863,904 - they wiped out 5.05 day's worth of resources

They thought we'd be sleeping rofl. It's only 5-6 AM, c'mon!

Estimated costs for World Republic's failed attack upon myself:

Lord Pegasus used a strike about 1.5 times the size of my defence give or take - with 45,000 armed supers. Estimated repair costs are about 7 - 8 billion kuwal's worth for ALL assaults conducted upon me (including the 6 which he then gave upon when he realised i was online)

Lord Pegasus also lost 8,488 attack supers in the assault on my defence - including training costs thats 2,122,000,000 kuwal's worth.

Kenzu lost a further 532 attack supers while attempting to hunt my assassins when i came online - so a further 1,333,000,000 kuwal cost.

Kenzu lost a further 1,175 attack supers while trying to destroy my strike - a further 293,700,000 kuwal's worth. Repair costs for Kenzu would have been about 2 - 3billion kuwal. Maybe more.

2615 enemy assassins also died killing some of my spies - so another 379,175,000 kuwal' cost

A total of 25 assaults were conducted against me - 500 attack turns (500million kuwal value)

A total of 6 invasions were conducted against me - 60 attack turns (60million kuwal)

A total of 6 destruction missions were conducted against me - 90 attack turns (90million kuwal).

Estimated cost for WR overall: 14,284,175,000 kuwal. Given you caught me suprise... thats a terrible performance all round.

kenzu, kismet and Lord Pegasus are now hiding on PPT.

mmm this is a bad morning accidently woke up 4 hours too early :p why no clue


whispers "war ?"

souldog wrote:mmm this is a bad morning accidently woke up 4 hours too early :p why no clue


whispers "war ?"

Yeah, it was a real shocker that

[12 Oct] 20:04 Bronze Blood Award Presented!

Thank you october 17. Without you i would have not got this medal for a few more days. Shows how little hostility i had done on aderan since i am just getting the bronze medal now.

Well Ladies and Gentlemen - literally just as Kenzu and Lord Pegasus realised i was online and happily enjoying myself repairing my newly rebuilt defence - they decided rather than staying "exposed" to our counter-attack via remaining off PPT, and instead of trying to interfere with any counter-attack The Imperium managed to put together in short notice, and thus maybe saving some of their members - that instead they chose to flee onto PPT rather than risk retaliation against them.

Consequently, the Imperium quick reaction force have sprang into action to stem the enemy offensive before its even had chance to commence, and to exact revenge for this unwarranted attack.

For anyone confused - Given my last post in kenzu's peace topic is asking kenzu/ World Republic if they have anything left to say/ appeal to The Imperium before i asked The Imperium members for a verdict - this attack was pretty damn unsporting. No matter though - Kenzu and his band of merry men bolloxed it up, and now World Republic will pay the price.


October17 and Thulkthayer are merely the first of many World Republic players who will fall in the ensuiing war.

Before our counter-attack:

October17:

47211 def supers
9687 att supers
Spies 63,433
Assassins 62,800

Strike Action 58,473,280
Defensive Action 484,508,336
Covert Action 188,979,594
Assasin Action 153,332,480

Miners 434,981
Workers 177,803

47,211 IFV weapons.

After our counter-attack:

Strike Action: 58,473,280
Defensive Action 11,994,400
Covert Action 180,569,312
Assasin Action 56,024,954

9687 attack supers
20,829 defence supers - 26,382 defence supers killed - 6,595,500,000 kuwal's worth.
Spies 60,610 - 2,823 spies lost - 410million kuwal's worth.
Assassins 22,946 - 39,854 assassins lost - 5,778,830,000 kuwal's worth.

Miners 103,814 - 73,989 miners lost - 8,138,790,000 kuwal's worth.
Workers 164,662 - 13,141 workers lost - 1,379,805,000 kuwal's worth.

47,211 IFV weapons lost - 8,686,824,000 kuwal's worth

Total lost: 30,989,749,000 kuwal's worth.

Thulkthayer:

Before our counterattack:

1500 Strike supers
41047 Defense supers

Strike Action: 12,840,000
Defensive Action 571,025,666
Covert Action 259,840,000
Assasin Action 258,720,000

Workers 2,000
Miners 402,721

Spies 100,000
Assassins 105,000

41,047 IFV's

After our counter-attack:

Strike Action: 11,326,078
Defensive Action 0
Covert Action 259,840,000
Assasin Action 46,961,376

Attack supers: 1,456
Defence Supers: 13,886 - 27,161 defence supers - 6,790,250,000 kuwal's worth.

Miners 147,323 - 255,398 miners - 28,093,780,000 kuwal's worth.
Workers 1,975

Spies 100,000
Assassins 19,059 - 85,941 assassins - 12,461,445,000 kuwal's worth.

41,047 IFV's - 7,552,648,000 kuwal's worth.

Total lost: 54,898,123,000 kuwal's worth.

Total World Republic have lost today to Imperium counter-attacks by the quick reaction force: 85,887,872,000 kuwal's worth.

Costs for The Imperium counter-attack:

Souldog says (04:43):
2.6 bil reapair costs 750 st 500at

Dursum (UNSC) says (04:43):
2 Billion repair costs, 500 A.T

Haggis says (04:44):
10bil kuwal repairs
16.4k supers
8k mercs
518AT

Blackeagle says (04:44):
300ish A.T and 9 bil, 10kish supers

ishmael says (04:46):
600-700 mil kuwal repairs, 900 ATs

Myself (kilo:) - about 1000 attack turns and 1.8billion repair costs.

Total Imperium costs (including value of A.T): 25,428,000,000 kuwal's worth of resources

World Republic hasn't just awoke a sleeping dragon - they ve attempted to stick a stake through its heart, and failed epically. Now you shall reap what you have sown.

This is but the tip of the iceberg - but a unplanned counter-attack, mustered together from a bunch of Imperium members who happened to be online at the time. Wait untill we get the bulk of our forces brought to bare against World Republic in an planned offensive

War is our imperitive - so we shall fight. Long Live The Imperium Empire!!

o wow, sure does seem like WR took 1 hell of a beating compared to what TIE lost in this.

Vesper wrote:o wow, sure does seem like WR took 1 hell of a beating compared to what TIE lost in this.

lol, yeah just a tad - its even worse when you consider we were caught completely unawares. World Republic should have done a hell of a lot better than it did. They barely broke even massing me - and when you consider all the supply turns used up (which i didn't include in the calculations) - which now can't be used for raiding/ farming... they just committed mass suicide on my account. If WR achieve a couple more of these "victories" there won't be anything left for the Imperium to kill

Wow .... what a brilliant plan by Kenzu to make WR a secret alliance

I'm 100% sure TIE have a list of WR members, after all when you plan a war this is the first thing you do.

Actually rflash, it prevents people from seeing who left WR, unless those people join another alliance.
It also makes sure that an enemy cannot see how alliance power is fluctuating, or how much war experience they gained. But you knew that.
And yes, I compiled a list of TIE and TC members weeks ago, in case war broke out, including the details of the 4 people I was able to spy at the time, so it must be something everyone will come up with.

WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jiro wrote:Actually rflash, it prevents people from seeing who left WR, unless those people join another alliance.
It also makes sure that an enemy cannot see how alliance power is fluctuating, or how much war experience they gained. But you knew that.
And yes, I compiled a list of TIE and TC members weeks ago, in case war broke out, including the details of the 4 people I was able to spy at the time, so it must be something everyone will come up with.

Lol ..... it's completly pointless as I'm sure TIE have at least 1 spy in WR so they know who is in the alliance and who isn't any more.

By making it secret the war experience has frozen (not that it offered any valuable info).

Alliance power also is just a number on your screen, it's concentrated in a couple of players and TIE knows who they are. Again, because it's not very often updated it doesn't offer any valuable info and anyone in WR, including the spy[ies] can see it.

Well in my experiance I do see one nasty mistake from Kenzu and his strike team. You guys went on Protection first, after having been on protection already. That means your opponents can be on protection when you come off. Kinna makes you blind to a coming assault as the can break protection at a planned time and you can not manuver around the incoming attacks.

Jiro wrote:Actually rflash, it prevents people from seeing who left WR, unless those people join another alliance.
It also makes sure that an enemy cannot see how alliance power is fluctuating, or how much war experience they gained. But you knew that.
And yes, I compiled a list of TIE and TC members weeks ago, in case war broke out, including the details of the 4 people I was able to spy at the time, so it must be something everyone will come up with.

yeah by making WR a secret alliance TIE can no longer see which members would elect out of the war. So now Kenzu made every member that was in WR when we got a list a target whether they left the alliance or not.

I m liking the fact The Commonwealth now has the largest total war experience - and has jumped from rank 4 to rank 2 in alliance-war experience

If we can get to rank 1 alliance-war experience i ll be happy lol. Eithier way though - The Company and The Commonwealth gaining lots of war experience via using World Republic as target practice can only be a good thing for us, and a bad thing for World Republic :D

Fun fun times - my personal war experience jumped by over 10million in the space of an hour last night

The fact that WR dropped out of the ratings has nothing to do with it?

Jiro wrote:The fact that WR dropped out of the ratings has nothing to do with it?

World Republic was already rank 3 in member's total experience - after The Company and The Commonwealth - befor the war began. There's also the fact that The Commonwealth went from rank 4 to rank 2 in allaince war experience... thats a jump of 2 places. World Republic is 1 place. Meaning The Commonwealth's jump can't be attributed to World Republic disappearing - as we d still have jumped up at least 1 place, potentially 2 in alliance war experience.

So - NO, world republic had absolutely zero to do with it, other than being used as cannon fodder to get our experience up

I think it is sad to see people conduct a war so gleefully. I haven't seen as much smileys in the past weeks.

what's so bad about it?

Jiro wrote:I think it is sad to see people conduct a war so gleefully. I haven't seen as much smileys in the past weeks.

Well, world republic chose to start this war despite my asking them if they had anything else to say before i put the decision to The Imperium memberbase on whether to go war. They assumed The Imperium would vote yes to going to war... personally i think The Imperium would have done so, but the result could have been no. I do find it amusing Kenzu and World Republic were unwilling to wait to see whether all the statements made by them had managed to sway The Imperium memberbase - perhaps they realised insulting those members didn't help their case?

Eithier way though - World Republic fired the first shots of this war - not us. The Imperium's just so smiley because the attack by World Republic on myself was a complete shambles, which when contrasted to our very quickly put together counter-attack inflicting about 6 times more damage than World Republic's suprise (and previously planned) attack on myself - pretty much does help improve morale. The Imperium's so smiley because we now get to exact our revenge on World Republic for all the insults, lies, allegations and past conduct committed against us - and we are so smiley because we do so, knowing full well we did not actually start this fight, and are the defenders.

We don't have to worry about justifying ourselves, or being called the bullies - because the simple fact remains.... we hadn't laid a finger on World Republic (other than normal farming/ raiding), and many of us infact still had World Republic members set to peace (i.e. i had kenzu, lord pegasus and kismet all set to peace when they massed me) - when World Republic decided to launch an suprise attack, just a handful of hours after i asked them if they had anything else to say/ appeal to The Imperium memberbase before a vote (which could have gone eithier way) was held.

We are so smiley - because everything Kenzu has said - about World Republic being honest, not being a bully, not starting wars or attacking other alliances, not being decietful, being more open etc... - has by World Republic's very actions in starting this war, been proved wrong. Kenzu didn't even issue a advance warning to World Republic players before his strike team launched their attacks - the result was thulkthayer and october 17 were caught completely offguard. He says he's honest and open - yet thats a very clear example of his not being honest and open with his own members.... lets not even think what he's like with players outside World Republic.

And the final thing which makes me personally smile - is because Kenzu and the WR leadership will of course say they weren't honest and open with WR members about WR's planned assault because it was in the interests of World Republic not to do so - since if The Imperium got wind of it, we d obviously be prepared. In a nut shell though, by making such an claim and justifying why they weren't honest, open, accountable (i.e. telling the WR members their plans would have given WR members the chance to influence them) and trustworthy with WR members - its basically saying all of these factors come second to furthering what Kenzu and The World Republic leadership believe to be World Republic's interests.

And, for anyone who's missed the last 2months, it is precisely this sort of thing - of factors such as honesty, openness, trusthworthiness and accountability being disposed of when its convenient for World Republic's leadership in order to further World Republic's interests - which is why The Imperium has acted how we ve acted the last 2months or so in response to various World Republic conduct.

That, my friend - is why all of The Imperium is so happy and cheerful. World Republic haven't just completely bolloxed up a suprise attack, they haven't just sufferred a much more devestating (compared to their own attack) counterattack, they haven't just started a war and are the actual aggressors - they ve instead all in one go done all of these factors AND provided a very visible, very clear example of the sort of conduct which The Imperium has been accussing them off for the last 2months.

So you weren't planning on attacking WR at all, right?

So - before the final decision is made by The Imperium collective regarding your and World Republic's fate - as a final act of sportsmanship i ll be happy to ask you - is there anything more you d like to say/ appeal to The Imperium Memberbase before they make their decision?

This sounded really a lot like what a storybook bully says to a small kid before taking their lunch money no matter what they say.

Fijo wrote:So you weren't planning on attacking WR at all, right?

So - before the final decision is made by The Imperium collective regarding your and World Republic's fate - as a final act of sportsmanship i ll be happy to ask you - is there anything more you d like to say/ appeal to The Imperium Memberbase before they make their decision?

This sounded really a lot like what a storybook bully says to a small kid before taking their lunch money no matter what they say.

I d suggest you re-read what you just quoted before trying to put words into my mouth.

As for the bully thing - i couldn't careless where you grew up, or your personal experiences of life in general - what i said there meant exactly that what i wrote - is there anything kenzu/ World Republic wanted to say (such as i dunno... i m sorry for lieing to the imperium, our spy is actually vance - the reason we ve not admitted before is because we thought if we did you d wipe us out - or maybe a simple plea for mercy and moving appeal to the imperium member's hearts and mercy etc... - i.e. whatever kenzu/ WR felt appropriate) before the vote to go to war was put to the imperium memberbase.

So - as it stood, there were no garantee's The Imperium would go to war, and there were no garantee's The Imperium wouldn't go to war.

Ian, hadn't you said already you were going to sit on his account until kingdom come? (semantic equivalent.)
Don't get me wrong, your reasons for going to war are your own and you need not account to me, but there had been many statements there would be war, no matter what. Including people willing to leave their alliance to hand the war to Kenzu.

Jiro wrote:but there had been many statements there would be war, no matter what. Including people willing to leave their alliance to hand the war to Kenzu.

I second this, from my understanding, it has been made clear repeatedly and at several points that imperium had little intent to back off a war no matter what gets said or done by the other side.