Discussion between World Republic and Imperium

ian wrote:

seaborgium wrote:I disagree Ian, if he asks someone its there freewill to tell him what they know. and The other way. I talk to Lord Ish a good bit. We both have a lot of information about each others acounts, IE: our sore points
I have even shown him things we use to give us an edge on others in the game. I don't mean our tool site, but the tools listed on MY Site. he and I also worked out some other things to help with tools i am currently working on.

So people talk about stuff posted on forums, which to be honest, what I can see on our forums was almost all me.

Hmm i know i am missing something but hey i am kinda lost today, i can't keep a straight thought if my life depended on it today.

Your opinions are noted, however under the treaty it specifically mentions sovereignty. Sovereignty = the free will and right to do something. The Imperium Empire's free will and right to do something is clearly compromised via leaks outside of The Empire - something i intend to put an end to. TIE has respected World Republic's sovereign rights completely since this war ended i.e. no spying on them, no dictating foreign or internal policies etc...

I suspect Kenzu and WR's finding out from Evil Genius was literally a complete accident i.e. Evil Genius without being asked or prompted, may have told Kenzu he did what he did, and the reason for it - thereby giving WR information which they neither asked for, nor expected concerning TIE's policy at the time - and for Evil Genius's part... his giving away information he did not realise he should not be. If this is the case... then provided WR/ Kenzu did not specifically ask for information (which would be a deliberate attempt at infiltration) then they have done nothing wrong... it would just be an accidental breach.

The only way to find this out though - is to look at all the facts.. hence why i m asking for cooperation from WR/ Kenzu on this matter. Once i ve got the facts from WR, i ll be speaking to Evil Genius - and will decide on what to do about this minor (though had the attack proceeded, it would have amounted to a HUGE) breach of security.

Eithier way though... such information falling into the hands of an outside party, represents a severe restriction on The Imperium's sovereign rights.....

As for informing others outside TIE about the way The Imperium Empire does things... i would remind you that any policy decided and created by the central authority of TIE, should be kept within TIE..... i.e. such as the optimum unit production strategy, our defence regulations etc... - anything else which you personally operate by (as in... not one implemented and enforced by TIE), is your own personal policy... not a TIE policy and thus its up to you what you do with it.

Eithier way though... TIE's memberbase is about to make a very large cut soon... all the people who failed to respond to my latest order (concerning contacting squad leaders) will be booted imminently without any exception.

Kenzu wrote:Choose a Imperium member who shall fight against me, if you want revenge. One versus one, until 1 week passes or one surrenders.

ian wrote:
How exactly, after saving the above - can you (kenzu/ WR) still argue that you did not have spies in TIE, that you did not breach the peace treaty, and that you are not hostile to TIE? You said it yourselves: "if you gain info from other alliances, its de facto same result as having a spy"

Kenzu wrote:Imperium often makes my personnal messages public.
Why are you angered if I do the same to you?

Didn't ian say he wants everything to be open and made public?

It is no secret that Imperium also makes messages public, which have been obtained through Imperiums spies in the World Republic, like for example Vile, who gave you a copy of the message you used as a pretext to dissolve the peace treaty.

Messages between me and fellow WR members are PRIVATE!

It is a shame Imperium obtains information about World Republic and at the same time demands World Republic not to obtain information about Imperium. This kind of hypocricy is typical for Imperium leadership.

Kenzu wrote:No, I sent the message to Vile when he was already WR member.

Phoenix Shadow was sending WR informations out of his free will and his initiative.

I hate how you couple correct information with lies to make them look like it's all true!

ian said: "His orders were simple: Report back information to you on TIE's affairs, coupled with his attempting to incite The Imperium Empire to strike Geto-dacii to bring them into the war on World Republic's side."

=> This is an outright lie! Shadow Phoenix never received any orders to do anything in Imperium from me. All he did was exposing your deceitful agenda, how you lied to us the whole time and what dirty things you were planning against us.

I had enough of your lies.
I don't want to deal with you anymore. Talk to kismet and GeIveI2aL if you want to solve something. But do so without lying!

You call me a liar, while you are the one lying to everyone!

It's a shame there are still people in Aderan who believe everything you say.
You lost all respect I ever had for you.

GeIveI2aL wrote:Nothing like kicking someone when their down eh Ian?

If your problem is Kenzu, not WR, aim it at him.

Just to point out, my progress on AW was going VERY well till you guys massed me, as possible with a few more members in WR.

So saying 'WR for a *long* time has been going NO WHERE' is a tad harsh, I for one totally disagree.

But as I said am not totally aware of everyones progress within WR (Do i need to be?)

ian wrote:

Kenzu wrote:Why did the commonwealth suddently become an official alliance?

Has roughly 6.3 million population and 2,339,441,189 total power (WR has 7.2 million population and 7,977,480,528 total power)

Why were you bragging about your power so much and trying to put WR in a bad light?

lol, World Republic in a bad light? Your kidding me right? World republic is a sick joke. You just said it yourself pretty much. 7,200,000 population. 76 players. 7,200,000 / 76 = 94,736 average army size. Your average power is 7,977,480,528 / 76 = 104,966,849 average power.

The Commonwealth:

19 members. 6,300,000 / 19 = 331,578 average army size. 2,339,441,189 power / 19 = 123,128,483 average power.

The Commonwealth has been around since May the 11th. Its now August the 28th. Thats 3months 17 days. World Republic has been around since day 1 - thats 8months 28 days.

The Commonwealth's entire memberbase is literally less than 4months old (2 of which are less than a week old).... and unless i m mistaken, gives The Commonwealth the 3rd or 4th highest average army size on the game - potentially even the 2nd or 3rd highest average before too long (depending on if we can catch The Others up economically - and depending on how The Emperors compare to us). In terms of Unit Production, we are eithier 2nd highest average per member - or have highest average per member - depending on how The Company compares. This is for a alliance who literally does not have a player with a account over 4months old vs. the other major alliances 8months+.

But, lets talk about World Republic shall we? Your economy is frankly terrible, and given the completely shocking state of your economic capabilities - the fact you have the military power average that you do, pretty much indictates that should World Republic get involved in a proper war, then your all but doomed - since you d be talking about loosing HUGE chunks of your accounts, with virtually no economic base to rebuild it back up or to continue the fight against the enemy.

Laugh all you want at The Commonwealth's "small" combined army size and our "small" combined/ average military power. I find such massive ignorance highly amusing, and actually wish it would be more wide-spread, it just makes my job as leader of The Commonwealth, so much easier in progressing towards our objectives

ian wrote:

ian wrote:

Admin wrote:ian, i order you to entertain me

Also kenzu - The Commonwealth isn't 6.3million combined army size, its above 6.8million army size.

Thus 6,800,000 / 19 = 357,894 average army size vs. World Republic's 94,736 average army size. 357,894 / 94,736 = 3.77. TC members are thus 3.77 times larger than WR's players are on average.....

It also means we are about 400,000 army size behind WR in combined army size. So i d say in less than a week - 2 weeks at maximum, if our memberbases remain the same - then TC will have overtaken WR, becoming the 3rd largest (in total army size) on the game

As promised (less than 2 days after Kenzu made this topic):

Alliance Army size [Rank]: 8,160,365 [3]..... One of our members was recalled/ requested back from a diplomatic mission, now that SOME of The Commonwealth is visible, to march under our banner. Don't worry - we ll be recalling up more of our reserves as and when we need them

1,360,365 army size jump in less than a day and a half. Next target: Rank 2 army size. It shouldn't be more than a week or 2 - 3 weeks at tops before we achieve this.

GeIveI2aL wrote:Nothing like kicking someone when their down eh Ian?

If your problem is Kenzu, not WR, aim it at him.

Just to point out, my progress on AW was going VERY well till you guys massed me, as possible with a few more members in WR.

So saying 'WR for a *long* time has been going NO WHERE' is a tad harsh, I for one totally disagree.

But as I said am not totally aware of everyones progress within WR (Do i need to be?)

Special Agent 47 wrote:
As for "my progress on AW was going VERY well till you guys massed me", now you know how those who lost 7 mill miners to GD and Kenzu feel. You didn't have anything to say then, so why do you have something to say now?

ian wrote:A very very good question. Again - i d like to know just where G, Kismet (though i know you were in hospital for the duration of the war... hope your well now? ) and the rest of World Republic were when the decision was made to target Imperium members who posed no military threat to WR/ GD - and just why T.I.E now should not target whoever we feel like in World Republic? Kismet/ G your response?

Vesper wrote:Who wants to play a game? I just did some covert black ops missions on random people. Most of the people are members of World Republic. If you add up all the IDs i did recon on you get 7,595. I did covert missions on 13 people. If you can guess 10 of the 13 people i reconed who's IDs all add up to 7,595 YOU will receive a prize so amazing i cant even say it in public.

Kismet wrote:

ian wrote:A very very good question. Again - i d like to know just where G, Kismet (though i know you were in hospital for the duration of the war... hope your well now? ) and the rest of World Republic were when the decision was made to target Imperium members who posed no military threat to WR/ GD - and just why T.I.E now should not target whoever we feel like in World Republic? Kismet/ G your response?

A lot of information was coming in at the time. I can't tell you where it came from.

TIE targeted a number of people in WR back then, some of whom were threats to TIE, some who weren't.

I'm much better now..... thanks

Have TIE members been massed lately? Enough to strike out and mass "whoever you feel like"? If so, and it's been within the last week, why haven't I heard about it?