World Republic Imperium farming dispute - ian's illegal hit

Keinutnai wrote:19 Feb 06:58

Your hit was against our farming policy. I ask you therefore to pay compensation. Thank you for your cooperation.

Below you can see the calculation:

[19 Feb] 04:01 ian 21,534,261,231 Kuwal Stolen 10 17799 2684 29,290,591,038 30,777,424,341 details

uu price + train price + weapon price = 275k+150k+522k=947k
Your profit: 21.534.261.231 - 17.799*(947k) =
= 21.534.261.231 - 16.855.653.000 = 4.678.608.231

minimum profit required = kuwal stolen * 0.3
= 6.460.278.369

Your profit was almost 2 billion less than required. I therefore ask you to pay compensation. Thank you.

ian wrote:LOL, sure... once T.O.C compensates for the violation of the peace treaty one of your members performed via sabotaging & assassinating a Imperium Member.

I don't think you can disagree sabbing & assassinating IS a act of war and unacceptable... yet where is the compensation from your empire Kenzu? Its been 9 days and yet all we ve recieved back is basically a threat of war.

Until T.O.C takes responsibility for YOUR members actions and compensates for the damages done by one of YOUR members in a whole series of offensive & hostile actions (sabbing & assassinating)- as far as T.I.E is concerned T.O.C *is* fairgame to be farmed.

Face it: A peace treaty existed between TIE & TOC... which you guys have violated and refuse to compensate for. Yet you seem to think you can demand compensation and refuse to compensate for acts of war?

To hell with that. As long as T.O.C refuses to compensate for hostile actions done on us - then T.I.E is going to commence increasingly large retaliatory operations of our own.

Compensate or face the consequences.

Keinutnai wrote:if someone doesnt pay compensation for hostile actions, then you mass him, if someone doesn't pay compensation for braking our farming policy, then we mass him.

I would appreciate if you don't make excuses and pay compensation.

ian wrote:An agreement is a agreement.

You can't go back on it. TIE & TOC had a agreement that the max profit requirement is 2.72billion. We also had a understanding either ending that agreement required a 24hour notification to the other side.

Last night I informed you we were withdrawing from the agreement. That means we withdraw tonight at 8.10pm.

Until then we have to follow that agreement - which makes my hit INSIDE the TIE-TOC policy and not a breach.

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Frankly Kenzu I m getting tired of this.

One of T.O.C's members assassinates and sabotages a TIE member - and what do you guys do about it? NOTHING. No compensation, not even a apology.

Yet your not threatening me with war because I hit you inside of the TIE-TOC policy?

lol... seriously?

ian wrote:Since you do not have this in your MOTD:

How long exactly do breachers get to return the compensation?

Because the way I see it:

1.) There was no breach in the first place
2.) If Mujengen does not compensate for Roberts hostile attacks, Mujengen & The Imperium are going to war.

In the event of point 2.... depending on World Republic's stance will decide whether or not you get compensation. I.e. I m not going to compensate you if your going to support a aggressive alliance who's members attack other alliances and then refuse to compensate/repair the damage done.

On the other hand if your going to stay out of it... well T.I.E will honour your farming policy.

Either way: I need to response on how long people get to compensate and I also need to know what you plan to do if T.I.E responds to Mujengen's attack on us via force.

Assassinating & Sabbing TIE members IS a act of war.

If we did it to World Republic or TOC you would consider it a declaration of war and TIE would be the aggressors.

Instead its Mujengen who has attacked us... we ve asked for compensation and they ve refused.

Its not fair & I ll be damned if we ll tolerate it.

Keinutnai wrote:we both know what will happen if you dont compensate.

I am also aware that you havent compensated Sara for a hit on her when she was in VIS not aligned to TOC. Too much time has passed to ask for the compensation for hitting her, but that doesn't mean I forget how you treated my wife. You haven't paid compensation to her, even though she had a farming policy, only because you knew her alliance was not strong enough to oppose Imperium. But now she is in TOC and we will make sure all compensations are paid.

ian wrote:Lol, its ironic but technically I haven't actually broken World Republic's policy yet anyway

During the discussions of the original peace treaty yourself and Lord Ishurue repeatedly expressed concerns The Imperium would dissolve/break from the treaty without any warning or notice. As such it was agreed between us (at least as far as TIE is aware) to exit the treaty required a 24hour notification.

Last night at 8.50pm GMT I posted on the Aderan Wars forum our intention to leave the TIE-TOC farming policy. Given I didn't expressly state we would ignore that 24hour notification period, and given we haven't *yet* enforced a different policy to that which was agreed - I think its fair to say until 8.50pm GMT tonight T.I.E is bound to continue to follow the TIE-TOC farming policy... as are you when it comes to TIE farming of T.O.C.

Under the TIE-TOC farming policy it was agreed a max-profit requirement of 2.720billion.

My hit was legitimate. If you message me a copy of World Republic's farming policy along with the necessary procedure to follow I will ensure T.I.E is informed in time for 8.50pm tonight - whereupon we will have officially left the TIE-TOC policy.

I however require (if you choose to adopt another policy) World Republic and Mujengen to also make it clear you are no longer following the TIE-TOC policy. A simple post will be fine

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:You can't refer to a policy you have have withdrawn from
You said on the forums:
"The Imperium Empire hereby withdraws from whatever the TIE-TOC farming policy is/was (I actually can't remember)."

Besides, I am not interested in your excuses, WR has a policy and everyone has to follow it, just like we follow the policies of others.

ian wrote:lol, actually it was agreed neither side could withdraw from the policy without giving the other 24hours notice.

You ve got your 24hours notice.

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But... putting that aside: check the PM I just sent you.

I need to know the answer to the questions.

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:
You are wrong, read the whole TOC-TIE farming policy thread and you will see that the 2nd TOC-TIE farming policy was only temporary, and it reverted to the 1st TOC-TIE farming policy.

Besides, it all doesn't matter anymore. Our farming policy is in my MOTD, and everyone has to follow it. Now I ask you again to pay the compensation. If you don't know how much it is let me tell you:

You have to pay 23.788.821.231

Now I hope you will be reasonable and all compensation will be paid.
Thank you.
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Please show me where does the policy state that a 24 hour notice must be given? I don't recall ever agreeing to such thing.

The policy you talk about has been signed on 2nd October 2010 and it was a trial policy lasting 7 days. I made it clear to you at that time that it's not acceptable and WR was using the first TOC-TIE policy soon after the trial policy expired (also october 2010)

ian wrote:lol.

Please re-read my PM.

I believe I asked you how long I have to pay it, and also told you repayment will depend on how things go with Mujengen & what WR's stance will be if things do heat up between TIE & Mujengen.

So... how long does WR give to players to repay it? You have NOT got a time limit in your message of the day... so strictly speaking I can say "yeah sure I ll repay it as soon as possible".... and due to your not telling me *when* have to repay it by.... well, you can't really complain unless you actually tell people when they have to repay it.

So... care to answer the question (and I d recommend you put it in your MOTD).

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:Most important is that make a promise to repay the debt, no matter how other things go. Namely that you promise to pay the compensation no matter what results between Mujengan and Imperium are achieved.

It's not necessary to put the time in MOTD. Obviously it has to be repaid as soon as possible. Speed of repayment depends on your income. Your income should provide you with roughly 40 billion kuwal each day. Which means you should be theoretically able to repay the kuwal within no more than 3 days after being asked.

If you however need the kuwal urgently, we can agree that you repay it all within a week if you send a 5 billion broker within 24 hours.

So my questions are:
Do you promise to repay the compensation for the hit?
Do you want to repay within 3 days or within 7 days?
(If within 7 days, then please send a 5 billion broker to repay some of the debt now.)

ian wrote:I ll try and repay within 7 days then.

Naturally IF The Imperium ends up at war with Mujengen and then World Republic intervenes I d expect you to simply mass me (since we d be at war anyway lol) instead... but *if* it comes to war between TIE & Mujengen and WR stays out of it I ll do my best to pay back within 7 days anyway.

Hope that solves that problem?

Keinutnai wrote:Yes it does, but only if you send 5 billion next time you log in, so that I know you have honest intentions.

You should however know that World Republic has an MDP with Mujengan and we will defend them if someone will try to harm them from while they enforce their farming policy.

There is no reason for you to start a war with them. If someone has made hostile missions against you, mass the player. I am sure Mujengan wouldn't mind if you mass Robert if he didnt delete his account. Afterall those who commit acts of violence have to be brought to justice. And this applies to everyone equally.

There is no reason why Smog or anyone else should pay for the misconduct of a player who isn't member of Mujengan anymore.

Additionally if stars doesn't repay, then he would be massed anyway, which means that robert would have been allowed to mass him anyway.

ian wrote:I m afraid we disagree on that stance.

The Imperium believes a alliance is responsible for their members actions. This is also what Smog is trying to force onto TIE.

Stars does *not* have SS. He is unable therefore to pay... and Smog knows this. Yet he is demanding compensation be provided and I quote him directly now: "Now you either pay back castravete, or we're going to find some other way to make justice"

That was his message to ME. Not to stars - to ME. He told ME to compensate Castravate or otherwise they ll find "some other way to make justice".

He specifically made it damn clear he expects The Imperium to be responsible for Stars actions and to compensate on his behalf given he is incapable of doing so.

Well... guess what? Robert is also incapable of compensating TIE so we also expect Mujengen to compensate on his behalf (Just like Mujengen expect TIE to on behalf of Stars).

The difference here is Stars did 1 bad attack he thought to be profitable, while the Mujengen member not only launched a whole string of attacks against Stars, but broke the TIE-TOC Peace treaty in doing so.

So: Yes, if Mujengen does not compensate for the attack on Stars, we will deem it a act of war by Mujengen and respond accordingly.

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Now... whichever way you want to try and play it, the fact remains a Mujengen member launched a whole series of hostile actions against TIE causing considerable damage in violation of the peace treaty.

Roberts merely deleting his account is NOT a excuse. For all I know he could have been doing this under Mujengen's request - "attack TIE just before you leave"

How would you like it if all of TIE's members who have so far grown bored of Aderan Wars and left decided to do the same - and promptly started attacking World Republic before they left?

I am aware of your mutual "Defence" pact with Mujengen. However given a Mujengen player repeatedly attacked TIE in a hostile manner and Mujengen has refused to compensate or even apologise for the attacks..... they have initiated hostility's - not T.I.E. We would merely be responding *should* war occur.

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By all means bring World Republic into a war if one does kick off... just don't be suprised when TIE brings out 1 or 2 aces of our own in response.... Since obviously if we end up at war with Mujengen we will have made the necessary preparations to deal with World Republic should you intervene... though it is my sincere hope you guys just stay out of it.

World Republic has the future of Aderan Wars in its ranks. You know the effects wars have on new players and you know the difference which exists between TIE's strike techs and *most* of World Republic's defences.

I ask you to stay out of any future war. The facts are simple: A mujengen member assassinated & Sabbed TIE repeatedly. Mujengen have failed to provide any measure of compensation or even a apology - both of which taken together are a violation of the TOC-TIE peace treaty to which we have the right to respond should no compensation be forthcoming - which none has come yet.

Thats all there is to say on the matter.

Keinutnai wrote:stars can repay by being the officer of one of Imperium members who have SS. This commander will pay him only 40.000, and the money which is transfered to the imperium member this way can be used to pay compensation.

If stars doesnt have SS, he should have thought earlier how he can repay others if he makes an illegal hit.

All I can say is that stars can repay through the commander-officer relation.

Kenzu wrote:Hi everyone. I am posting here to inform everyone that ian has refused to pay compensation for an illegal hit he made this morning. Our farming policy uses 275.000 uu price (GM 7 day price for uu is 278,539). Our policy requires 30% profit. (this means that out of each 10 kuwal stolen, losses may not exceed 7 kuwal). After a long discussion (10 messages he sent) he agreed to pay wihin 7 days, if there is no war, OR if in a war between TIE and Mujengan, WR doesn't intervene. Obviously WR will defend Mujengan if Imperium will try to prevent Mujengan enforcing their farming policy. I am dissappointed seeing the problems that Imperium is causing with a simple illegal hit, where a simple "Sorry for the hit, sending you the broker now" is all that is needed.

He stole:
21,534,261,231 Kuwal Stolen

30% minimum profit is:
6.460.278.369

His losses: (troops armed with mobile artillery)
17799 * (275k+150k+522k) = 16.855.653.000

His profit:
21,534,261,231 - 16.855.653.000 = 4.678.608.231

His profit was almost 2 billion less than required.

Here is our conversation:

Keinutnai wrote:19 Feb 06:58

Your hit was against our farming policy. I ask you therefore to pay compensation. Thank you for your cooperation.

Below you can see the calculation:

[19 Feb] 04:01 ian 21,534,261,231 Kuwal Stolen 10 17799 2684 29,290,591,038 30,777,424,341 details

uu price + train price + weapon price = 275k+150k+522k=947k
Your profit: 21.534.261.231 - 17.799*(947k) =
= 21.534.261.231 - 16.855.653.000 = 4.678.608.231

minimum profit required = kuwal stolen * 0.3
= 6.460.278.369

Your profit was almost 2 billion less than required. I therefore ask you to pay compensation. Thank you.

background info: the person sabotaging TIE is not a WR member and he deleted his account some time ago.

ian wrote:LOL, sure... once T.O.C compensates for the violation of the peace treaty one of your members performed via sabotaging & assassinating a Imperium Member.

I don't think you can disagree sabbing & assassinating IS a act of war and unacceptable... yet where is the compensation from your empire Kenzu? Its been 9 days and yet all we ve recieved back is basically a threat of war.

Until T.O.C takes responsibility for YOUR members actions and compensates for the damages done by one of YOUR members in a whole series of offensive & hostile actions (sabbing & assassinating)- as far as T.I.E is concerned T.O.C *is* fairgame to be farmed.

Face it: A peace treaty existed between TIE & TOC... which you guys have violated and refuse to compensate for. Yet you seem to think you can demand compensation and refuse to compensate for acts of war?

To hell with that. As long as T.O.C refuses to compensate for hostile actions done on us - then T.I.E is going to commence increasingly large retaliatory operations of our own.

Compensate or face the consequences.

Keinutnai wrote:if someone doesnt pay compensation for hostile actions, then you mass him, if someone doesn't pay compensation for braking our farming policy, then we mass him.

I would appreciate if you don't make excuses and pay compensation.

ian wrote:An agreement is a agreement.

You can't go back on it. TIE & TOC had a agreement that the max profit requirement is 2.72billion. We also had a understanding either ending that agreement required a 24hour notification to the other side.

Last night I informed you we were withdrawing from the agreement. That means we withdraw tonight at 8.10pm.

Until then we have to follow that agreement - which makes my hit INSIDE the TIE-TOC policy and not a breach.

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Frankly Kenzu I m getting tired of this.

One of T.O.C's members assassinates and sabotages a TIE member - and what do you guys do about it? NOTHING. No compensation, not even a apology.

Yet your not threatening me with war because I hit you inside of the TIE-TOC policy?

lol... seriously?

ian wrote:Since you do not have this in your MOTD:

How long exactly do breachers get to return the compensation?

Because the way I see it:

1.) There was no breach in the first place
2.) If Mujengen does not compensate for Roberts hostile attacks, Mujengen & The Imperium are going to war.

In the event of point 2.... depending on World Republic's stance will decide whether or not you get compensation. I.e. I m not going to compensate you if your going to support a aggressive alliance who's members attack other alliances and then refuse to compensate/repair the damage done.

On the other hand if your going to stay out of it... well T.I.E will honour your farming policy.

Either way: I need to response on how long people get to compensate and I also need to know what you plan to do if T.I.E responds to Mujengen's attack on us via force.

Assassinating & Sabbing TIE members IS a act of war.

If we did it to World Republic or TOC you would consider it a declaration of war and TIE would be the aggressors.

Instead its Mujengen who has attacked us... we ve asked for compensation and they ve refused.

Its not fair & I ll be damned if we ll tolerate it.

background info: When ian made an illegal hit on Sara over a month ago, when she asked him for compensation he refused saying that she is in VIS alliance, not part of TOC, completely ignoring her VIS farming policy.

Keinutnai wrote:we both know what will happen if you dont compensate.

I am also aware that you havent compensated Sara for a hit on her when she was in VIS not aligned to TOC. Too much time has passed to ask for the compensation for hitting her, but that doesn't mean I forget how you treated my wife. You haven't paid compensation to her, even though she had a farming policy, only because you knew her alliance was not strong enough to oppose Imperium. But now she is in TOC and we will make sure all compensations are paid.

ian wrote:Lol, its ironic but technically I haven't actually broken World Republic's policy yet anyway

During the discussions of the original peace treaty yourself and Lord Ishurue repeatedly expressed concerns The Imperium would dissolve/break from the treaty without any warning or notice. As such it was agreed between us (at least as far as TIE is aware) to exit the treaty required a 24hour notification.

Last night at 8.50pm GMT I posted on the Aderan Wars forum our intention to leave the TIE-TOC farming policy. Given I didn't expressly state we would ignore that 24hour notification period, and given we haven't *yet* enforced a different policy to that which was agreed - I think its fair to say until 8.50pm GMT tonight T.I.E is bound to continue to follow the TIE-TOC farming policy... as are you when it comes to TIE farming of T.O.C.

Under the TIE-TOC farming policy it was agreed a max-profit requirement of 2.720billion.

My hit was legitimate. If you message me a copy of World Republic's farming policy along with the necessary procedure to follow I will ensure T.I.E is informed in time for 8.50pm tonight - whereupon we will have officially left the TIE-TOC policy.

I however require (if you choose to adopt another policy) World Republic and Mujengen to also make it clear you are no longer following the TIE-TOC policy. A simple post will be fine

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:You can't refer to a policy you have have withdrawn from
You said on the forums:
"The Imperium Empire hereby withdraws from whatever the TIE-TOC farming policy is/was (I actually can't remember)."

Besides, I am not interested in your excuses, WR has a policy and everyone has to follow it, just like we follow the policies of others.

ian wrote:lol, actually it was agreed neither side could withdraw from the policy without giving the other 24hours notice.

You ve got your 24hours notice.

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But... putting that aside: check the PM I just sent you.

I need to know the answer to the questions.

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:
You are wrong, read the whole TOC-TIE farming policy thread and you will see that the 2nd TOC-TIE farming policy was only temporary, and it reverted to the 1st TOC-TIE farming policy.

Besides, it all doesn't matter anymore. Our farming policy is in my MOTD, and everyone has to follow it. Now I ask you again to pay the compensation. If you don't know how much it is let me tell you:

You have to pay 23.788.821.231

Now I hope you will be reasonable and all compensation will be paid.
Thank you.
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Please show me where does the policy state that a 24 hour notice must be given? I don't recall ever agreeing to such thing.

The policy you talk about has been signed on 2nd October 2010 and it was a trial policy lasting 7 days. I made it clear to you at that time that it's not acceptable and WR was using the first TOC-TIE policy soon after the trial policy expired (also october 2010)

ian wrote:lol.

Please re-read my PM.

I believe I asked you how long I have to pay it, and also told you repayment will depend on how things go with Mujengen & what WR's stance will be if things do heat up between TIE & Mujengen.

So... how long does WR give to players to repay it? You have NOT got a time limit in your message of the day... so strictly speaking I can say "yeah sure I ll repay it as soon as possible".... and due to your not telling me *when* have to repay it by.... well, you can't really complain unless you actually tell people when they have to repay it.

So... care to answer the question (and I d recommend you put it in your MOTD).

Cheers

Keinutnai wrote:Most important is that make a promise to repay the debt, no matter how other things go. Namely that you promise to pay the compensation no matter what results between Mujengan and Imperium are achieved.

It's not necessary to put the time in MOTD. Obviously it has to be repaid as soon as possible. Speed of repayment depends on your income. Your income should provide you with roughly 40 billion kuwal each day. Which means you should be theoretically able to repay the kuwal within no more than 3 days after being asked.

If you however need the kuwal urgently, we can agree that you repay it all within a week if you send a 5 billion broker within 24 hours.

So my questions are:
Do you promise to repay the compensation for the hit?
Do you want to repay within 3 days or within 7 days?
(If within 7 days, then please send a 5 billion broker to repay some of the debt now.)

ian wrote:I ll try and repay within 7 days then.

Naturally IF The Imperium ends up at war with Mujengen and then World Republic intervenes I d expect you to simply mass me (since we d be at war anyway lol) instead... but *if* it comes to war between TIE & Mujengen and WR stays out of it I ll do my best to pay back within 7 days anyway.

Hope that solves that problem?

Keinutnai wrote:Yes it does, but only if you send 5 billion next time you log in, so that I know you have honest intentions.

You should however know that World Republic has an MDP with Mujengan and we will defend them if someone will try to harm them from while they enforce their farming policy.

There is no reason for you to start a war with them. If someone has made hostile missions against you, mass the player. I am sure Mujengan wouldn't mind if you mass Robert if he didnt delete his account. Afterall those who commit acts of violence have to be brought to justice. And this applies to everyone equally.

There is no reason why Smog or anyone else should pay for the misconduct of a player who isn't member of Mujengan anymore.

Additionally if stars doesn't repay, then he would be massed anyway, which means that robert would have been allowed to mass him anyway.

ian wrote:I m afraid we disagree on that stance.

The Imperium believes a alliance is responsible for their members actions. This is also what Smog is trying to force onto TIE.

Stars does *not* have SS. He is unable therefore to pay... and Smog knows this. Yet he is demanding compensation be provided and I quote him directly now: "Now you either pay back castravete, or we're going to find some other way to make justice"

That was his message to ME. Not to stars - to ME. He told ME to compensate Castravate or otherwise they ll find "some other way to make justice".

He specifically made it damn clear he expects The Imperium to be responsible for Stars actions and to compensate on his behalf given he is incapable of doing so.

Well... guess what? Robert is also incapable of compensating TIE so we also expect Mujengen to compensate on his behalf (Just like Mujengen expect TIE to on behalf of Stars).

The difference here is Stars did 1 bad attack he thought to be profitable, while the Mujengen member not only launched a whole string of attacks against Stars, but broke the TIE-TOC Peace treaty in doing so.

So: Yes, if Mujengen does not compensate for the attack on Stars, we will deem it a act of war by Mujengen and respond accordingly.

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Now... whichever way you want to try and play it, the fact remains a Mujengen member launched a whole series of hostile actions against TIE causing considerable damage in violation of the peace treaty.

Roberts merely deleting his account is NOT a excuse. For all I know he could have been doing this under Mujengen's request - "attack TIE just before you leave"

How would you like it if all of TIE's members who have so far grown bored of Aderan Wars and left decided to do the same - and promptly started attacking World Republic before they left?

I am aware of your mutual "Defence" pact with Mujengen. However given a Mujengen player repeatedly attacked TIE in a hostile manner and Mujengen has refused to compensate or even apologise for the attacks..... they have initiated hostility's - not T.I.E. We would merely be responding *should* war occur.

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By all means bring World Republic into a war if one does kick off... just don't be suprised when TIE brings out 1 or 2 aces of our own in response.... Since obviously if we end up at war with Mujengen we will have made the necessary preparations to deal with World Republic should you intervene... though it is my sincere hope you guys just stay out of it.

World Republic has the future of Aderan Wars in its ranks. You know the effects wars have on new players and you know the difference which exists between TIE's strike techs and *most* of World Republic's defences.

I ask you to stay out of any future war. The facts are simple: A mujengen member assassinated & Sabbed TIE repeatedly. Mujengen have failed to provide any measure of compensation or even a apology - both of which taken together are a violation of the TOC-TIE peace treaty to which we have the right to respond should no compensation be forthcoming - which none has come yet.

Thats all there is to say on the matter.

Keinutnai wrote:stars can repay by being the officer of one of Imperium members who have SS. This commander will pay him only 40.000, and the money which is transfered to the imperium member this way can be used to pay compensation.

If stars doesnt have SS, he should have thought earlier how he can repay others if he makes an illegal hit.

All I can say is that stars can repay through the commander-officer relation.

ian wrote:Congratulations Kenzu - your opening statement of "Ian won't pay" is proven wrong by the very messages you posted - namely I ve made it clear I may pay depending on if Mujengen compensates Stars.

Kenzu wrote:Hi everyone. I am posting here to inform everyone that ian has refused to pay compensation for an illegal hit he made this morning. Our farming policy uses 275.000 uu price (GM 7 day price for uu is 278,539). Our policy requires 30% profit. (this means that out of each 10 kuwal stolen, losses may not exceed 7 kuwal). After a long discussion (10 messages he sent) he agreed to pay wihin 7 days, if there is no war, OR if in a war between TIE and Mujengan, WR doesn't intervene. Obviously WR will defend Mujengan if Imperium will try to prevent Mujengan enforcing their farming policy. I am dissappointed seeing the problems that Imperium is causing with a simple illegal hit, where a simple "Sorry for the hit, sending you the broker now" is all that is needed.

Kenzu wrote:If there's any war... it sure as hell *won't* be over a illegal farming hit done by TIE on Mujengen. It ll be over the blantant refusal by Mujengen to compensate TIE for a complete violation of the peace treaty via a number of outright hostile actions performed by one of their members.

ian wrote:Kenzu - a alliance leader & empire leader should act in a fair, just and consistent manner.

That means when someone attacks their member in a unacceptable manner - be it sabbings or farming in violation of a agreement - then they should take responsibility for that members interests and ensure they, as a alliance leader, do their upmost best to support that member and to bring to justice (either by force or via compensation) those responsible for the actions against that member.

But that works both ways. You can't just be interested in your members wellbeing & actions when it suits you. It means your also responsible for those members actions and any harm they may inflict on others while a member of your ranks.

Now... what is your (as empire leader) & Mujengen's excuse for not compensating Stars when one of your empire's members has attacked him? Unlike me... you ve flat-out refused to compensate for a far worse and completely without doubt hostile attack.

If roles were reversed and Stars massed Roberts... you can garantee Mujengen/T.O.C would intervene and be demanding compensation or face war etc... etc....

Yet because its Roberts doing the attacking - you guys are literally washing your hands off the whole affair and basically saying its between TIE & Roberts...

Yet if The Imperium starts bumping off T.O.C players you can garantee it would not just be between the individual T.O.C member and the Imperium.

Seriously... T.O.C's policy is BS.

And finally... the issue IS resolved. I ll let you work out how and why other than to say I don't owe anything to World Republic.

You can't complain anymore