Be All Thy Sins Remembered
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
I really fail to see why you think you should bring LOL in to this. The alliance is merely a bunch of people from another game that has came here to make friends and find a game they can enjoy. I came to TIE from LOL for the mere fact I was looking for active people that was playing the game and became friends with SA, Sea, and IOZ But I will stand up for LOL anyday or time so before you go pulling them into something Make sure Bugs and the High commander is here to state their part. NUFF SAID!
Father more I don't see SA here to defend his self so why not keep his name out of all this crap until which time he is here to defeat his own self and what his input is on the mess.
SA is one of the main reason I stayed playing the second time when me and Martin came back to the game, He came forth and helped us and taught us stuff we wouldn't have known and took it up on his self when he didnt have too to make sure we understood the game as best as we could.
BUT My god I think from reading back in this thread there needs to be a phyic abroad for a certain person and I certainly aren't talking about SA or any other male figure around here NOR my self
Father more I don't see SA here to defend his self so why not keep his name out of all this crap until which time he is here to defeat his own self and what his input is on the mess.
SA is one of the main reason I stayed playing the second time when me and Martin came back to the game, He came forth and helped us and taught us stuff we wouldn't have known and took it up on his self when he didnt have too to make sure we understood the game as best as we could.
BUT My god I think from reading back in this thread there needs to be a phyic abroad for a certain person and I certainly aren't talking about SA or any other male figure around here NOR my self
Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
@Nigatsu - Seriously please leave this convo before i do something rash. The tensions across our alliance are pretty high and the last thing we need is someone like you yapping on about stuff that you dont really know about.
@buchore - i talked and joked with Universe since TIE formed. I enjoyed spamming along side her for a while. You probably dont understand how betrayed i feel. Me Vesper and Ian nearly fell out over this. Again if your going to make comments like "this isnt fun anymore" please leave this topic. It was never fun to begin with when you start screwing with people that are more than just people you know on a game but RL friends.
@Universe and anyone else who is reading -
The Commonwealth/The Imperium or whatever the hell you want to call it is based on one simple thing - Loyalty. I dont give a rats arse what happens to anyone that doesnt bare the tag TIE next to their name. So if there is need for war i will start a war, if i have to mass people i talk to/know/like i will do it, if i need to lie, manipulate, slander or go under cover to benefit TIE i will do it. What Universe or whoever the hell you are did was completely unacceptable as it screwed with people on a personal level by inciting distrust and suspicion - THAT i would personally never do. And all the thing i would do - if i was to be cought i would at least face the consequences and fight till the bitter end for the values i hold dear. You lack any sense of guilt, loyalty or shame. For that you are pathetic
So i dont understand why we are having this conversation. So i say it again - THE EVIDENCE AGAINST UNIVERSE HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD, IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING PAST "I'VE BEEN HACKED" TO SAY IM AFRAID YOU ARE FOUND TO BE GUILTY.
Everyone else can back off unless they have something to contribute that may either implicate Universe further or disprove our findings. All other crap which is being spewed is frankly rubbing me up the wrong way and im already pretty angry and frustrated. I dont need to lessons from anyone on how to play the game or what is right and wrong. I'm not saying what Universe did was "wrong" as who am i to judge right or wrong in a GAME. HOWEVER it was unacceptable to us and so we shall deal with it in ANY way we wish. END OF DISCUSSION!
@buchore - i talked and joked with Universe since TIE formed. I enjoyed spamming along side her for a while. You probably dont understand how betrayed i feel. Me Vesper and Ian nearly fell out over this. Again if your going to make comments like "this isnt fun anymore" please leave this topic. It was never fun to begin with when you start screwing with people that are more than just people you know on a game but RL friends.
@Universe and anyone else who is reading -
The Commonwealth/The Imperium or whatever the hell you want to call it is based on one simple thing - Loyalty. I dont give a rats arse what happens to anyone that doesnt bare the tag TIE next to their name. So if there is need for war i will start a war, if i have to mass people i talk to/know/like i will do it, if i need to lie, manipulate, slander or go under cover to benefit TIE i will do it. What Universe or whoever the hell you are did was completely unacceptable as it screwed with people on a personal level by inciting distrust and suspicion - THAT i would personally never do. And all the thing i would do - if i was to be cought i would at least face the consequences and fight till the bitter end for the values i hold dear. You lack any sense of guilt, loyalty or shame. For that you are pathetic
So i dont understand why we are having this conversation. So i say it again - THE EVIDENCE AGAINST UNIVERSE HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD, IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING PAST "I'VE BEEN HACKED" TO SAY IM AFRAID YOU ARE FOUND TO BE GUILTY.
Everyone else can back off unless they have something to contribute that may either implicate Universe further or disprove our findings. All other crap which is being spewed is frankly rubbing me up the wrong way and im already pretty angry and frustrated. I dont need to lessons from anyone on how to play the game or what is right and wrong. I'm not saying what Universe did was "wrong" as who am i to judge right or wrong in a GAME. HOWEVER it was unacceptable to us and so we shall deal with it in ANY way we wish. END OF DISCUSSION!
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Hai-Shulud wrote:
@buchore - i talked and joked with Universe since TIE formed. I enjoyed spamming along side her for a while. You probably dont understand how betrayed i feel. Me Vesper and Ian nearly fell out over this. Again if your going to make comments like "this isnt fun anymore" please leave this topic. It was never fun to begin with when you start screwing with people that are more than just people you know on a game but RL friends.
If you're so sensitive choose your friends more carefully,
I was pointing on sandwalker's post btw
Sandwalker wrote:
By "so much damage" you realize you're talking about ioz getting massed, right? I mean actual measurable damage, not emotional and what not. That's the only real damage that came of all this. I see everything else as a really fun time, a little stressful at some points, but definitely overall FUN.
Im out of here.
Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
edited as the forum's gone crazy
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
@buhcore:
None of my RL friends were screwed with so yeah, I afforded myself the luxury of enjoying this whole thing. Though, it's more the victory I enjoy than the process.
And Hai has chosen well enough. We both share the same concept of loyalty.
PS: Take heed of wedges you try to drive between TIE members. They might bite you in the ass.
None of my RL friends were screwed with so yeah, I afforded myself the luxury of enjoying this whole thing. Though, it's more the victory I enjoy than the process.
And Hai has chosen well enough. We both share the same concept of loyalty.
PS: Take heed of wedges you try to drive between TIE members. They might bite you in the ass.
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Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
buhcoreTheGreat wrote:
I was more dissapointed on your reactions than her actions, i think posts like this are unexceptableHai-Shulud wrote:Universe wrote:**Filtered** you, and **Filtered** you, Hai. Sweet talking me with nice words? Ridiculous. You're just another puppet on a string.
Hahahahaha sweet talk you? I woudnt piss on you if you were on fire. I wanted a confession out of you, a show of regret or at least something to say you werent just a traitor and a manipulator.
Perhaps you are Major Sue perhaps not, that we can not know for sure without further investigation. But often the simplest explanation is the right explanation.
Burn in hell
This is NOT fun anymore, it is way too personal imo,
Universe guilty or not, im sure that she was not the only one involved in this
Grrrrrrrr - ^^ you quoted me but byeeee
Hai-Shulud- Aderan Miner
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Universe wrote:Thank you, Ian. Exceptional reply, as I don't doubt everyone expected?That PM, in turn, draws direct inspiration from my post on the -now deleted?- Secondary TIE SHC Forums, regarding the successes and failures of ~B and the Cabal. Sorry Ian, but saying I cite you, where you are the one citing me? That's bollocks. You should know better, dear. You should have known better than to (oh, I would love to be able to say: "try to"..) break me and SA up.ian wrote:For the record... i just laughted out loud. Universe's latest post on this forum seems to be drawing direct inspiration from the PM i sent her ingame upon discovering her true identity.
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Hey Sue.
Long time no see. Just thought i d drop you a message saying thanks.
Without your starting this whole Cabal thing there would never have been distrust in both The Imperium and F.I.R.E between their members.
The Imperium's memberbase has remained united. F.I.R.E's memberbase has split with 1/3 leaving them and joining our ranks. Those members will now grow and in time only serve to strengthen The Imperium's position. If you sort to weaken The Imperium... you have failed... epically. You only served to rip F.I.R.E apart instead... which was/is the only power with a half chance of contesting The Imperium.
Lord Ishurue is a good guy at heart. He may be strong willed in defending his farming principles and willing to make a deal with the devil (O) in order to safeguard them... but he didn't deserve the stress you ve put him through. Same goes for Jiro and the rest of F.I.R.E. You almost started a war which would have led to the annihilation of F.I.R.E - all so you could have petty revenge on The Imperium/ Myself?
Still, you have my thanks for recruiting new members into our ranks. But on that note, i m afraid i must inform you that you are now public enemy number 1 on Aderan Wars. The Order Empire will probably be joining in against you soon enough as well.
You severely underestimated how close some of us are on the SHC. Even with all the false evidence you provided it was not enough to turn us against each other. You severely underestimated My/ T.I.E's ability to present an argument and to use diplomacy as well. A lot's happened in the 2 years since we last crossed paths... and you will now learn that the hard way.
Your secret is out. Your doom is now at hand.
Nah. If you recognise in me some nemesis from your past, that is your imagination playing tricks on you. But we'll just have to take your word for it, right? As usual?Whether it was you, personally, or someone within your network at your behest, is irrelevant to the issue.ian wrote:Anyone who knows me well can clarify a couple of things:
1.) I have just about a functional ability to use excel. Every spreadsheet i create inevitably works, but is hopelessly inefficient, poorly planned and needs tidying up by someone better in order to make it usable for anyone else. The maths is there... it just needs a face-lift. This is as far as my coding abilities go - i can barely work excel, let alone have any idea where to start for hacking.Agreed. You show a true singlemindedness in those regards, admirable.ian wrote:
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2.) Universe is right. I m an exceptionally underhanded aggressive person when given reason to, who has absolutely zero issues with getting down in the mud and playing dirty when given reason to. I WILL seek out and hunt those who threaten me, my friends and my alliance. I ll go out looking for the fight if i know a fight is coming. I won't sit by and wait for people to take the initiative - i ll go on the offensive and seize the initiative myself. I ll utilise every weapon at my disposal - manipulation, deciet, espionage, counter-intelligeance and brute force when i have to - all towards achieving a common goal - the survival of my, my friends and my alliance's interests and ensuring those interests dominate over other's interests when they clash with ours.Chess pieces. Intelligence. *grin* Marvellous history there, none of which says me anything, but I'm sure you're deeply loyal, brilliant, deceitful and adaptive. And yet you claim to have fallen into this ~B's trap so easily. That is not only surprising.. that is ridiculous. And you claim I am this ~B?! I am not the smartest person on these boards, I am not the most skilled writer. Did my stupidity make it so easy to fall into what you now call 'my trap'? Is that what you're saying? That would be somewhat insulting, and hilarious as well. It's far more likely, based on your proven intellect and history, that you are running this show.
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She is absolutely right in that aspect. I ve led alliances for 3+ years now, with every single time resulting in the alliance i m leading ending up as one/ part of the superpowers of the game - or in the case of Aderan Wars THE superpower of the game. I ve seen people try and do things and outsmarted them on many occassions. On many other occassions i ve been outsmarted and learnt from it. Each experience is a learning curve - and i do my damn best to ensure myself and those with me are always one step ahead of the competition - whether that be by breaking their legs from under them via a well coordinated war (dynasty wars) ensuring the alliance pulls ahead in the long run, whether it by intimidating and terrifying the alliance and splitting them (the 15+ players who fled in the Nexus war's), or whether it be using superior intelligeance and espionage skills than those utilised against us (World Republic Wars). When backed into a corner... I ll use every weapon at my disposal to turn the situation around and to drive the enemy back - on more than one occassion turning a seemingly impossible situation around (The Order of The Iron Fist war). I ll utilise other's as my weapons and play them like chess pieces when i have to - and i ll work together with other's towards a common interest (The BW war against TOIF, where The Commonwealth funded them considerably).Your point, please? All you have done in the past paragraphs is expose how exceptionally gifted you are, and how great a leader.ian wrote:
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I m viscious, brutal, ruthless and ambitious when i have to be. I will rip your guts out if you cross myself, my friends or my alliance. That is what i m like - and i m proud to say thats what i m like. Its also something i ve never denied or tried to hide (see TC's own topic on this forum). Other members of the SHC - Hai-shalud & Vesper to be more specific - are equally the same. Most of the SHC is. We will do what has to be done to protect and uphold our member's interests - like any good alliance leadership should.
I do not deny that. At all. Have you read that somewhere? Because I am the last person to consider you stupid. Perhaps where it concerns a complete lack of respect for the friendship people have within this game, within your alliance.. but you are a great diplomat, as would any diplomat be with an arsenal such as yours, and a true master of words. Never denied that, never will.We'll just have to take your word for it, won't we? It's easy to negotiate when you have what, a little over the rest of the server in total power, and an exceptionally well arranged war machine? Did I say you are Cabal, or ~B? I said, whatever suspicion you have loaded on me, is just as easily reversed.ian wrote:
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Does that mean I m Cabal? Of course not. Does the above mean i m an Evil tyrant hell bent on server-wide domination? It could. Does it mean The Imperium can bring about the collapse of all other competition on this server? Yes. Does it mean we are going to? No. Does it mean The Imperium isn't willing to use diplomacy or to co-exist with others? Of course not.Yes, because you weren't ready to attack FIRE.ian wrote:
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I m not Cabal, and never have been. This scheme was Major Sue's - and i did everything in my power to stop it and to minimise the harm its inflicted on both The Imperium and others. When FIRE attacked The Imperium, we could have jumped at the opportunity to annihilate them - not having to even bother trying to explain why we are at war since we were the one's attacked... instead what did we do? We tried to establish peace and gave their representatives full access to what we at the time thought regarding who Cabal & ~B is. Does that sound like the sort of description of a aggressive hostile alliance?
What was it? "The cost of massing them before the updates come in will be massive".. "I am keeping tabs on admin's activity".. ?
Again.. we will just have to take your word for it, won't we?Oh yes. We could definitely do whatever the hell we please. We did. Have you conveniently forgotten how we planned the war against FIRE for weeks after they appeared in our logs a few times too often? How we contacted LoL to see if they would work with us against FIRE? How we had a few good plans made? Or were those a trap to catch ~B you didn't tell me about when you told me about 'everything'?ian wrote:
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Something for everyone to consider very carefully when viewing the above: The Imperium's total power is 146,086,323,551. The rest of ALL the server's visible alliances COMBINED come to 132,943,459,237.
If we really were out to further our own interests and didn't give a damn about anyone elses... we could do whatever the hell we pleased and the odd's are noone would be able to stop us for long (there'd be a short war in which both sides would suffer, but the odds are TIE would rebuild while the enemy would be kept down). Instead we ve done our upmost best to cooexist with all the other alliances... even when its a disadvantage to do so (i.e. our farming policy isn't anywhere near as strict as it could be).
Those are the actions of a peaceful alliance. Oh yes. Nah.. they're not.*choke* LOL. That may be true, but you completely disregard that there was never any indication this "Cabal" opposed TIE. Sure, the Cabal busted Dune right away, spread the news of our alliance plans with LoL, and (quoting you here, if you don't mind) "Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true." (I can quote the preceding elements as well, if you persist in your deflections?)ian wrote:The Imperium is all of the above - but we are governed by 2 principles: Justice & Fairness. Those who plot to destroy or hurt us, those who plot to in someway not cooexist with us... then we will do anything and everything to stop you. Those who are happy cooexisting and trying to cooperate with us - then you have absolutely nothing to fear.
We don't start fights - we merely finish them.
Did you really think I wouldn't keep my own copy of our discussions? Do you really think I'm that stupid?
It just isn't enough for you to rip the trust in me out of SA, my closest friend on this game, you have to piss on my intelligence as well?!
Back to you, Ian.
Oh, I am getting tired. *yawn* Sorry, no disrespect intended..
I think I'll go take a nap. Not like I have an obligation to reply.
And @ Shinobiwhateveryournameis; it is regrettable what has happened to your lot. You *were* farming The Imperium too much, eh? Should've thought twice. *grin* If assassinating what is left of my trained army gives you some degree of satisfaction, feel free to enjoy it. Just keep in mind that the next time you're screwed over by your own leadership's inability to distinguish the puppet master at work, my units will not be there to give you satisfaction. I guess it'll be pretty damn sour when your back is broken, again and again, until nothing of your lot remains to pose a threat to The Imperium's complete hegemony.
Told you I've quit already.. you 'silly duck', try doing something that would ACTUALLY hurt me, instead of just boosting your War Records.
@Buhcore; *grin* You didn't think I'd come out of PPT fully armed and ready to fight, did you? As I've said.. I quit. Thank you, btw.
Lol.
If I m ~B, here's a question for everyone to consider:
- When Dune, Starryager and 1/3 of FIRE joined The Imperium's ranks... why the hell would i then proceed to send Lord Ishurue that email which in turn resulted in him then attacking The Imperium without warning?
- Why ONCE i d prevoked war between TIE and FIRE by that PM, would i then proceed as TIE's leader to negotiate a ceasefire?
I m sorry Universe, but your logic is severely flawed. IF i was ~B as you claim surely the 1/3 of FIRE splitting away would have weakened them enough and I wouldn't have then weakened MY alliance by prevoking FIRE into attacking it and causing 180billion+ kuwal's worth of damage?
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If i was ~B i d have split the 1/3 of FIRE away THEN prevoked them into attacking The Imperium THEN as leader of The Imperium have proceeded to kick the crap out of them untill they no longer existed.
What the hell would i have to gain from splitting FIRE, then proceeding to prevoke them into attacking T.I.E and then 6hours later arranging for a ceasefire BEFORE The Imperium counter-attacks? FIRE's attack killed about 180billion kuwal's worth of resources and they lost 40 - 60billion worth. In my book thats a net loss of 140 - 120billion kuwal's worth of resources of TIE compared to FIRE i.e. FIRE comes out of the situation 140 - 120billion closer to TIE than before we entered the situation. By arranging for a ceasefire before the counter-attack, The Imperium didn't have a chance for its own kill-margins to even that score out.
Your logic is flawed. Secondly - why the hell would a SHC member be copying all our topics... unless of course she happened to have another use for them i.e. to send to FIRE?
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Sandwalker wrote:@buhcore:
None of my RL friends were screwed with so yeah, I afforded myself the luxury of enjoying this whole thing. Though, it's more the victory I enjoy than the process.
And Hai has chosen well enough. We both share the same concept of loyalty.
PS: Take heed of wedges you try to drive between TIE members. They might bite you in the ass.
lol i just had to reply on that,
ur almost saying that im next "cabal" or w/e you call it?
dont try to make anything up, i never had anything against TIE and you know it, its maybe just you who doesnt like me but i dont really care about that,
i remember that seaborgium tried to spy on me and my alliance and he didnt gain anything useful that could make me feel guilty,
it's just you dune, you better start writing stories for next cabal, good luck with it - i just hope it wont be me
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
buhcoreTheGreat wrote:
lol i just had to reply on that,
ur almost saying that im next "cabal" or w/e you call it?
dont try to make anything up, i never had anything against TIE and you know it, its maybe just you who doesnt like me but i dont really care about that,
i remember that seaborgium tried to spy on me and he didnt gain anything useful that could make me feel guilty,
it's just you dune, you better start writing stories for next cabal, good luck with it - i just hope it wont be me
I have noticed that you always seem to have something to say against TIE and its members. I would insult Uni to compare the two of you.
Frankly, I was trying to politely say "stfu or else". But you spin that however you want, buddy.
Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
And @ Shinobiwhateveryournameis; it is regrettable what has happened to your lot. You *were* farming The Imperium too much, eh? Should've thought twice. *grin* If assassinating what is left of my trained army gives you some degree of satisfaction, feel free to enjoy it. Just keep in mind that the next time you're screwed over by your own leadership's inability to distinguish the puppet master at work, my units will not be there to give you satisfaction. I guess it'll be pretty damn sour when your back is broken, again and again, until nothing of your lot remains to pose a threat to The Imperium's complete hegemony.
Told you I've quit already.. you 'silly duck', try doing something that would ACTUALLY hurt me, instead of just boosting your War Records. .
LOL I really have no intentions on doing anything to you more than that as it does bring me satisfaction (enough anyways) There is no point in me dwelling on whats already been done. The war records are a nice perk by the way . As for you quitting, I could care less to be honest.
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
@JadeFire: Good god. Can you read, girl?
I repeat, as I have done time and again, SA is my closest friend in this game (that's considering those I had in The Imperium).
I don't give a flying **Filtered** about what LoL does or doesn't do, I am giving an example of how war would have happened with or without the Cabal there to be its catalyst. What part LoL plays in that is completely besides the point. Did I say they're not good guys? I didn't think so. I haven't touched your friends, haven't insulted them, and if you believe I did that is your problem, not mine.
So please, shut up, unless you have something to contribute? Thank you very much.
On second thought, I do have a question for you, Jade. What bloody good would it do me to betray SA?! I have fought to gain his trust once, and if I have to I will do it again. But I do believe that the people responsible for this have broken that, and I will never forgive that.
Oh joy. More Ian.
@2; It was neither feasible nor in the best interest of TIE to maintain a state of war. After instigating FIRE's attack, you had what you needed, and were able to 'negotiate' a ceasefire. A ceasefire, I'll say, you had every intention, expressed and not expressed, of using to further prepare for war.
Did you anticipate FIRE's attack to be as violent as it was? I don't know. Perhaps, just maybe, you misjudged FIRE's ability to wage war? Perhaps you were busy with other elements of your plan. How the hell am I to know that? Perhaps you DID intend for them to strike as they did, and perhaps you simply have not gotten to the retaliatory part yet. Perhaps in a way, this thread and the ridiculousness surrounding it did effect a more solid peace between the diminished FIRE, and the grown TIE.
Did your losses exceed the influx of power, units and weapons? I believe they didn't. So, as FIRE's breaking apart and 1/3 joining TIE was an actual operation of war, you should have considered those figures in your calculations.
I think Dune's armysize of what, 9, 10 million(?) covers the losses TIE suffered completely? 4 times, if I convert those values correctly. And that's not even beginning to calculate the rest of Fedaykin's economic edge being added to the biological distinctiveness of The Imperium.
So yeah. Like hell you lost anything during that little phase of hostilities. You gained 1/3 of FIRE and a permanent peace due to your playing out of the Cabal story. *grin* Nice try. Next.
We were, at the time, conducting an investigation into the identity of ~B, Cabal.. and we became aware of a potential hacker. What did you expect? Of course I keep my materials on hand for reference? *sigh* Cheap shot, fell short of my lines. Advance, and volley. So to speak, your 'logic' is flawed? (See what I did there? Similar cheap shot. What a waste of words.)
@Hai-Shulud: Good god. Can you read, man? What could you guys possibly do that is worse than what you lot have done to me today already? Threaten anyone who shows an inch of support, of understanding of my points of criticism, my accusations in fact towards Ian? Puppet, puppet, get back in your cage. You're out of your league.
Speaking of being somewhere, I ought not be here. I am off to bed. Fire away. The sheep mentality does not surprise me. At all. The identity of the sheep, does somewhat surprise me. Makes me doubt my ability to read people's character, if I was able to live between serpents and sheep without being the herdsman.. goodnight!
I repeat, as I have done time and again, SA is my closest friend in this game (that's considering those I had in The Imperium).
I don't give a flying **Filtered** about what LoL does or doesn't do, I am giving an example of how war would have happened with or without the Cabal there to be its catalyst. What part LoL plays in that is completely besides the point. Did I say they're not good guys? I didn't think so. I haven't touched your friends, haven't insulted them, and if you believe I did that is your problem, not mine.
So please, shut up, unless you have something to contribute? Thank you very much.
On second thought, I do have a question for you, Jade. What bloody good would it do me to betray SA?! I have fought to gain his trust once, and if I have to I will do it again. But I do believe that the people responsible for this have broken that, and I will never forgive that.
Oh joy. More Ian.
Easy. @1; you needed tangible proof of hostile intent by FIRE. What better way to show hostile intent as by acts of war?ian wrote:Lol.
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If I m ~B, here's a question for everyone to consider:
- When Dune, Starryager and 1/3 of FIRE joined The Imperium's ranks... why the hell would i then proceed to send Lord Ishurue that email which in turn resulted in him then attacking The Imperium without warning?
- Why ONCE i d prevoked war between TIE and FIRE by that PM, would i then proceed as TIE's leader to negotiate a ceasefire?
I m sorry Universe, but your logic is severely flawed. IF i was ~B as you claim surely the 1/3 of FIRE splitting away would have weakened them enough and I wouldn't have then weakened MY alliance by prevoking FIRE into attacking it and causing 180billion+ kuwal's worth of damage?
OR
If i was ~B i d have split the 1/3 of FIRE away THEN prevoked them into attacking The Imperium THEN as leader of The Imperium have proceeded to kick the crap out of them untill they no longer existed.
What the hell would i have to gain from splitting FIRE, then proceeding to prevoke them into attacking T.I.E and then 6hours later arranging for a ceasefire BEFORE The Imperium counter-attacks? FIRE's attack killed about 180billion kuwal's worth of resources and they lost 40 - 60billion worth. In my book thats a net loss of 140 - 120billion kuwal's worth of resources of TIE compared to FIRE i.e. FIRE comes out of the situation 140 - 120billion closer to TIE than before we entered the situation. By arranging for a ceasefire before the counter-attack, The Imperium didn't have a chance for its own kill-margins to even that score out.
Your logic is flawed.
@2; It was neither feasible nor in the best interest of TIE to maintain a state of war. After instigating FIRE's attack, you had what you needed, and were able to 'negotiate' a ceasefire. A ceasefire, I'll say, you had every intention, expressed and not expressed, of using to further prepare for war.
Did you anticipate FIRE's attack to be as violent as it was? I don't know. Perhaps, just maybe, you misjudged FIRE's ability to wage war? Perhaps you were busy with other elements of your plan. How the hell am I to know that? Perhaps you DID intend for them to strike as they did, and perhaps you simply have not gotten to the retaliatory part yet. Perhaps in a way, this thread and the ridiculousness surrounding it did effect a more solid peace between the diminished FIRE, and the grown TIE.
Did your losses exceed the influx of power, units and weapons? I believe they didn't. So, as FIRE's breaking apart and 1/3 joining TIE was an actual operation of war, you should have considered those figures in your calculations.
I think Dune's armysize of what, 9, 10 million(?) covers the losses TIE suffered completely? 4 times, if I convert those values correctly. And that's not even beginning to calculate the rest of Fedaykin's economic edge being added to the biological distinctiveness of The Imperium.
So yeah. Like hell you lost anything during that little phase of hostilities. You gained 1/3 of FIRE and a permanent peace due to your playing out of the Cabal story. *grin* Nice try. Next.
Quite possible, I agree.ian wrote:Secondly - why the hell would a SHC member be copying all our topics... unless of course she happened to have another use for them i.e. to send to FIRE?
We were, at the time, conducting an investigation into the identity of ~B, Cabal.. and we became aware of a potential hacker. What did you expect? Of course I keep my materials on hand for reference? *sigh* Cheap shot, fell short of my lines. Advance, and volley. So to speak, your 'logic' is flawed? (See what I did there? Similar cheap shot. What a waste of words.)
@Hai-Shulud: Good god. Can you read, man? What could you guys possibly do that is worse than what you lot have done to me today already? Threaten anyone who shows an inch of support, of understanding of my points of criticism, my accusations in fact towards Ian? Puppet, puppet, get back in your cage. You're out of your league.
Speaking of being somewhere, I ought not be here. I am off to bed. Fire away. The sheep mentality does not surprise me. At all. The identity of the sheep, does somewhat surprise me. Makes me doubt my ability to read people's character, if I was able to live between serpents and sheep without being the herdsman.. goodnight!
Universe- Aderan Spy
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Or the year Clovis officially establishes Frankish Kingdom - Birth of France.
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Hey Universe, you sound like whore nanny to me.
You are funny, because you said thank you very much, that is what makes you look like a fat bitch right now.
And please stop using **Flitered** it is annoying. Be man, or woman, and start learn the realy swearing word.
Like... Fuck you asshole!
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What i said based on it, doesn't means anything. I'm just telling you to stop using flitered. Are you kindegeratan or what?
You are funny, because you said thank you very much, that is what makes you look like a fat bitch right now.
And please stop using **Flitered** it is annoying. Be man, or woman, and start learn the realy swearing word.
Like... Fuck you asshole!
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What i said based on it, doesn't means anything. I'm just telling you to stop using flitered. Are you kindegeratan or what?
Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Dissapointed with that last post - It lacked the anger the previous ones had, i would have stuck with the "im innocent" approach to "it was Ian" approach.
LOL anyone who supports you is infact also an enemy of TIE. But lets not confuse that with trying to defend you. Anyone is welcome to post evidence in either direction. Good God woman can you not read?!?! Ive already said that once!
I dont feel the need to argue against your petty attempt to brand us "sheep". I dont feel the need to argue against anything you say for that matter. I will however take the courtesy of shooting down any further pathetic attempts you may make at lying.
PS - As a side not its pathetic how stuck on the whole TIE have always wanted war, let me spell it out for everyone loud and clear - If we wanted a war we start one, we dont need to go to elaborate lengths. All it takes is a vote and i can quite happily start as many wars as we want, infact id like to think i specialise in it. Tut tut tut people, we are not morons or incompetents, we have been doing the whole Superpower thing for a loooong time. The fact that we are not arrogant or bullies should keep you satisfied but oohhhh no! If it was up to me id mass the entire server, but hey thank Vesper and Ian that we dont.
LOL anyone who supports you is infact also an enemy of TIE. But lets not confuse that with trying to defend you. Anyone is welcome to post evidence in either direction. Good God woman can you not read?!?! Ive already said that once!
I dont feel the need to argue against your petty attempt to brand us "sheep". I dont feel the need to argue against anything you say for that matter. I will however take the courtesy of shooting down any further pathetic attempts you may make at lying.
PS - As a side not its pathetic how stuck on the whole TIE have always wanted war, let me spell it out for everyone loud and clear - If we wanted a war we start one, we dont need to go to elaborate lengths. All it takes is a vote and i can quite happily start as many wars as we want, infact id like to think i specialise in it. Tut tut tut people, we are not morons or incompetents, we have been doing the whole Superpower thing for a loooong time. The fact that we are not arrogant or bullies should keep you satisfied but oohhhh no! If it was up to me id mass the entire server, but hey thank Vesper and Ian that we dont.
Hai-Shulud- Aderan Miner
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Universe wrote:@JadeFire: Good god. Can you read, girl?
I repeat, as I have done time and again, SA is my closest friend in this game (that's considering those I had in The Imperium).
I don't give a flying **Filtered** about what LoL does or doesn't do, I am giving an example of how war would have happened with or without the Cabal there to be its catalyst. What part LoL plays in that is completely besides the point. Did I say they're not good guys? I didn't think so. I haven't touched your friends, haven't insulted them, and if you believe I did that is your problem, not mine.
So please, shut up, unless you have something to contribute? Thank you very much.
On second thought, I do have a question for you, Jade. What bloody good would it do me to betray SA?! I have fought to gain his trust once, and if I have to I will do it again. But I do believe that the people responsible for this have broken that, and I will never forgive that.
First off DONT tell me to shut up! I'm a member of this forum and member of Tie so that gives me the right to speak as I feel. YOUR not Admin or Kenzu So until you are or they tell me to shut up you'll deal with it
Second all seems you already have enough problems of your own and make enough of your own.. Unlike your self I have no problems
Last edited by JadeFire on Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:49 am; edited 2 times in total (Reason for editing : only cause of a friend did I edit this post.)
Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Starryager wrote:Hey Universe, you sound like whore nanny to me.
You are funny, because you said thank you very much, that is what makes you look like a fat bitch right now.
And please stop using **Flitered** it is annoying. Be man, or woman, and start learn the realy swearing word.
Like... Fuck you asshole!
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What i said based on it, doesn't means anything. I'm just telling you to stop using flitered. Are you kindegeratan or what?
She is using **Filtered** instead of swearing because on alot of boards swearing is against the rules. There could be/are kids reading this and it is polite not to swear, even if it isn't against the rules. She is simply being curtious, and I think you should praise her for that not insult her. Just because people prefer to filter out the swear words does not mean they are immature, as your refernce to kindergarten suggests, but, in my opinion, shows me that she is more mature then you.
-Alex
Alex- Coalition Officer
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Lol, ok Universe i m gonna have to point out a HUGE flaw in your plan.
Your trying to make yourself innocent by accussing me of being ~B. Your still trying to cause as much damage as you can between FIRE and TIE by putting just that *little* bit of doubt into their minds. You haven't stated a shred of proof to back it up... but it doesn't matter, its still doubt.
Now... here's the weak point in your plan. Lord Ishurue recieved your emails from you directly. He CAN check what the IP is by opening up the email headers fully - and he also happens to have my IP when he asked me to register on his forum. HE can check the evidence for himself. He doesn't have to rely on my word or any of T.I.E's. He can prove without a shadow of a doubt its not me behind it, and confirm your own guilt.
@ Lord Ishurue, to find what the IP is simply follow the instructions on this site - its very easy to do:
http://aruljohn.com/info/howtofindipaddress/
Or if you like here's a googlesearch - the above link is the first option on the search
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=how+to+trace+a+IP+address+gmail&meta=&aq=f&oq=
I d appreciate it if you could maybe copy what you find here? (editing out your own IP lol).
Edit: It turns out we got the IP of Lord Ishurue in the first place - so he knows for a fact it was your IP and not mine Universe.
Your trying to make yourself innocent by accussing me of being ~B. Your still trying to cause as much damage as you can between FIRE and TIE by putting just that *little* bit of doubt into their minds. You haven't stated a shred of proof to back it up... but it doesn't matter, its still doubt.
Now... here's the weak point in your plan. Lord Ishurue recieved your emails from you directly. He CAN check what the IP is by opening up the email headers fully - and he also happens to have my IP when he asked me to register on his forum. HE can check the evidence for himself. He doesn't have to rely on my word or any of T.I.E's. He can prove without a shadow of a doubt its not me behind it, and confirm your own guilt.
@ Lord Ishurue, to find what the IP is simply follow the instructions on this site - its very easy to do:
http://aruljohn.com/info/howtofindipaddress/
Or if you like here's a googlesearch - the above link is the first option on the search
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=how+to+trace+a+IP+address+gmail&meta=&aq=f&oq=
I d appreciate it if you could maybe copy what you find here? (editing out your own IP lol).
Edit: It turns out we got the IP of Lord Ishurue in the first place - so he knows for a fact it was your IP and not mine Universe.
ian- Coalition Officer
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Will reply tomorrow, just cant do it right now.
Lord Ishurue, please if you can do as Ian asks.
Uni, see PM.
Lord Ishurue, please if you can do as Ian asks.
Uni, see PM.
Special Agent 47- Aderan Assassin
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Nigatsu_Aka wrote:BTW: you are Caedmon, right?... do you still play SGW? I remember that Caedmon was in a DDE alliance DoC or DoO i think... if it's you, then i'm not surprised at all how you massed Sinath.
- Spoiler:
Vesper wrote:Nigatsu_Aka wrote:FTW, SA47 is one of the most honest and loyal players that i have ever met. If you haven't figured it out in such a long time, that you had him in the "final" for the mole scapegoat, then sincerely i don't know why he is still hanging with you... oh right... because he is very loyal to his allegiance... hmm...
On the other hand, if Universe really is the Cabal and managed to cause so much damage without throwing a single attack, in your mighty alliance and in your "loyal" HC that some of them were almost about to quit the game, then she succeeded playing her best game...
@Ian... ok man... you won... wth... you're the god of all text based MMORPGS. If you can't admit that Sinath has won in dunewars and your argument is that after he was absent for over 2 months and nothing happened to him deletes his account after a massing... then whatever... hat's off to you... what is left to do when that happens?... when all the time when he was playing no one could touch him?... when the game has become dead anyway?... btw who massed him?... not you or Commonwealth, that's for sure... but hey... you are the king, i already admited...
Funny how you say Sinath was the greatest player of all time. I joined dune 2 years AFTER sinath. managed to overtake his DV. Was the first person to ever track his sleeping pattern, planned the attack along side Ebduncan, massed the entire TOIF DV screen, and told Ebduncan the very hour that he should attack.
Sinath had enough gold to instantly rebuild his defense after it was massed, so where did all that gold go? Someone managed to force him into spending trillions on his planets and that when the time came he had no more money to rebuild. Sinath was out smarted and suffered the consequences. I at one point admired sinath. Then it got to the point were i realized what an idiot he was for going all stats. Sinath was massed losing at least 25% of his army. So if he was so smart why in the hell would he come back and do the exact same thing? He armed over half his army second time around. You say Sinath the god? I say sinath was nothing more then an over active no-life middle aged man that exploited any bugs he could to gain power.
well done... i guess that you have not read my post about how this post was a pamflet and that i only played 4 months; that was before you came into the game probably... my post refered to that period only, i didn't knew what happened after; Ian said something and i speculated based on my long outdated game experience. Well done for that man!
yes i am caedmon in this game. I just changed my name to vesper today. I didnt ever play SGW though. I started off in dune. Played 2 weeks then ended up in a war with Sinath. Fair to say that when you force a war on a new player that is new to a game like dune that the new player will hold a grudge and eventually attack back. I played dune for the duration of the war. Slowly grew out of it. Then one day I went back to see what was going on 2 or 3 months after the war was over. Then I spent maybe a month or two selling UU for turns, raiding with those turns, and selling again. Continued that cycle to build turns. After i reached over 30k turns i started to raid and sell the UU to anyone that would buy it. I was selling millions and millions of UU raiding 3mil to 10mil a day. Took rank 1 DV for a short while. I then joined BW to help take out sinath. After he went to vacation i sold my account and quit
Vesper- Aderan Assassin
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
The people of Disco_Vaderia, walking by on break from a BeeGees revival concert, take a look around, gasp, utter "what the crap?", and keep walking.
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
Ok guys.
Some of you seem to be utterly confused as to a couple of things - and to completely crush what Universe has been saying about The Imperium's suppossed master-plan/ manipulation:
1.) Did T.I.E have a spy in FIRE's ranks?
Answer: We had someone who informed us of when anything important concerning TIE was discussed within FIRE. Nothing else was told to us about the affairs of FIRE. So not so much a spy - more a sympathiser who kept us updated on important stuff for T.I.E I.e. we learnt about FIRE's discussions on whether to join O empire to counter The Imperium.
2.) Did FIRE know?
Answer: I think i told Jiro we did about 2 - 3 days ago. Lord Ishurue and the other FIRE HC have also known about it for at least 2 days when we explained to them why T.I.E was preparing for war.
3.) Was The Imperium preparing for war against F.I.R.E?
Answer: Yes. We began preparing when we learnt of F.I.R.E's disatisfaction over our farming policy, and that they were considering contacting O Empire to counter-T.I.E. We were pretty angered/ upset that they didn't try diplomacy first.
4.) So... was T.I.E definately planning to attack FIRE?
Answer: The decision was made to prepare for war. Not to go to war. No final orders were issued and various msn conversations were held between myself and those online at the time I m online (which varies) which never reached a final verdict. The last msn conversation before the (very brief) FIRE vs. TIE war actually decided NOT to go to war and instead to persue a different approach:
09/02/2010 02:24:56 ian Vesper, seaborgium I m thinking of cancelling the war against FIRE btw
09/02/2010 02:25:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian you ass monkey
09/02/2010 02:25:17 Vesper ian, seaborgium
09/02/2010 02:25:21 ian Vesper, seaborgium I have a good reason: We need to do a strategic overview of the entire Imperium
09/02/2010 02:25:23 seaborgium Vesper, ian that means i am losing 8% of my 250k UU and 8% of my kuwal
09/02/2010 02:25:26 ian Vesper, seaborgium figure out how extensive and bad the farming is
09/02/2010 02:25:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium and who the main culprits are
09/02/2010 02:25:39 seaborgium Vesper, ian I can tell you right now
09/02/2010 02:25:40 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, we need the strike groups ready regardless
09/02/2010 02:25:42 seaborgium Vesper, ian I don't get hit
09/02/2010 02:25:53 ian Vesper, seaborgium so the mobilisation will continue - as once the update comes out
09/02/2010 02:26:00 seaborgium Vesper, ian i had 2.5B out the other day
09/02/2010 02:26:01 ian Vesper, seaborgium its about whats invested before the war which matters
09/02/2010 02:26:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian and I know strikes can break me
09/02/2010 02:26:12 seaborgium Vesper, ian Ian part of the issue is the def rule
09/02/2010 02:26:14 Vesper ian, seaborgium your defense > vaga's strike
09/02/2010 02:26:27 seaborgium Vesper, ian but
09/02/2010 02:26:35 seaborgium Vesper, ian if you lifted the rule
09/02/2010 02:26:40 seaborgium Vesper, ian they would raise there strikes
09/02/2010 02:26:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium yeah
09/02/2010 02:26:55 ian Vesper, seaborgium i m actually thinking of a 3 tiered approach
09/02/2010 02:26:59 seaborgium Vesper, ian do you have a alliance attack log?
09/02/2010 02:27:06 ian Vesper, seaborgium 1.) We look at our accounts, work out what has to be done - defence wise then economically
09/02/2010 02:27:26 Vesper ian, seaborgium 5mil army = 3bil defense
09/02/2010 02:27:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium 2.) We get a FULL overview of the state of the imperium in terms of who's farming us - and then approach FIRE properly
09/02/2010 02:27:42 ian Vesper, seaborgium and make our case - and explain to them exactly what we expect
09/02/2010 02:27:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium 3.) We use our newly built strike teams when necessary
09/02/2010 02:27:51 seaborgium Vesper, ian for my other game, I created a place to upload the attack logs, then I could look back over a day to see who hit who
09/02/2010 02:28:12 ian Vesper, seaborgium proper defences + a properly enforced farming policy should actually limit/ stop our need to fight major wars
09/02/2010 02:28:25 Vesper ian, seaborgium we dont have full attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:25 seaborgium Vesper, ian Good luck Ian
09/02/2010 02:28:33 Vesper ian, seaborgium cant only see each individual attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:38 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, yeah
09/02/2010 02:28:46 seaborgium Vesper, ian and admin won't put it in
09/02/2010 02:28:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium still.. if me, you and hai checked the logs i m sure it wouldn't take us long vesper
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium literally copy & paste
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol
Thats just one of several different conversations which covered both the for's and against's of going to war, and generally remained undecided. No final orders were ever issued for a attack time and generally as far as TIE was concerned any future war would be held at the earliest in weeks/ months - not days like is implied by ~B.
5.) Does FIRE know this?
Answer: Yes - we told FIRE about it 2 or 3 days ago. Before that we also continued throughout the last 2 weeks maintaining civil diplomacy and infact pointed out to FIRE if they have a issue with the policy to discuss it with us first
6.) Is it true a war-poll was created on whether to go to war?
Answer: A poll was created. The majority said they would support an individual of The Imperium if he decided to go to war for his own reasons, and that he shouldn't leave The Imperium to avoid us getting drawn in. No decision was reached by the leadership ever - the poll was a consultation excercise.
7.) Does FIRE know about this poll?
Answer: Yes they do - I invited them onto our forums to check the facts for themselves and gave them temporary access to The Imperium war-chamber.
8.) Does FIRE know The Imperium was behind their recent forum issues/ security problems?
Answer: Yes they do - they were told 2 - 3 days ago.
Conclusion?
Universe seems to be trying to convince you all i m ~B and that this is a massive scheme by The Imperium full of lies and manipulation of FIRE.
What Universe - and any of the other SHC members who have not been following events closely or who ve not actually asked - doesn't know is that pretty much right from the moment of the security breach becoming apparent to us on Febuary the 5th The Imperium/ Myself contacted Lord Ishurue and later FIRE and have been doing our best to cooperate with them to find ~B - including gradually making known our own "skeletons" in the closet.
Without FIRE's help ~B and the cabal would still be at large and unidentified - and that means right now both sides would be at war with the other probably.
Instead.. due to the level of cooperation and need to be completely open/ trust one another FIRE and T.I.E's relations are probably among the closest they ve been in a long while.., and hopefully will remain that way
It is because ~B was not informed, nor understood the level of cooperation which has happened the last week between all the various parties - which is why in the end we managed to catch and find out who ~B is - Universe.
Suffice it to say then: I m not ~B, and The Imperium is certainly not Cabal.
~B/ Universe only presented evidence to FIRE which showed The Imperium was preparing for war. Never was evidence given to present the actual real events - that we were preparing for war under the belief we were going to be attacked by most of the server -or that we were still very much undecided on whether war was the right course - and certainly there was no evidence/ mention provided that there was no date/ time schedule for the war.
Instead the evidence provided merely painted a view we were going to war - painting a picture of The Imperium being aggressive and warmongering. It is this - the lack of presenting a a balanced reflection of the events - which annoys me the most... this and the fact Vesper & Seaborgium were deliberately framed (i.e. evidence/ timing planted/ planned deliberately to make them suspects).
Some of you seem to be utterly confused as to a couple of things - and to completely crush what Universe has been saying about The Imperium's suppossed master-plan/ manipulation:
1.) Did T.I.E have a spy in FIRE's ranks?
Answer: We had someone who informed us of when anything important concerning TIE was discussed within FIRE. Nothing else was told to us about the affairs of FIRE. So not so much a spy - more a sympathiser who kept us updated on important stuff for T.I.E I.e. we learnt about FIRE's discussions on whether to join O empire to counter The Imperium.
2.) Did FIRE know?
Answer: I think i told Jiro we did about 2 - 3 days ago. Lord Ishurue and the other FIRE HC have also known about it for at least 2 days when we explained to them why T.I.E was preparing for war.
3.) Was The Imperium preparing for war against F.I.R.E?
Answer: Yes. We began preparing when we learnt of F.I.R.E's disatisfaction over our farming policy, and that they were considering contacting O Empire to counter-T.I.E. We were pretty angered/ upset that they didn't try diplomacy first.
4.) So... was T.I.E definately planning to attack FIRE?
Answer: The decision was made to prepare for war. Not to go to war. No final orders were issued and various msn conversations were held between myself and those online at the time I m online (which varies) which never reached a final verdict. The last msn conversation before the (very brief) FIRE vs. TIE war actually decided NOT to go to war and instead to persue a different approach:
09/02/2010 02:24:56 ian Vesper, seaborgium I m thinking of cancelling the war against FIRE btw
09/02/2010 02:25:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian you ass monkey
09/02/2010 02:25:17 Vesper ian, seaborgium
09/02/2010 02:25:21 ian Vesper, seaborgium I have a good reason: We need to do a strategic overview of the entire Imperium
09/02/2010 02:25:23 seaborgium Vesper, ian that means i am losing 8% of my 250k UU and 8% of my kuwal
09/02/2010 02:25:26 ian Vesper, seaborgium figure out how extensive and bad the farming is
09/02/2010 02:25:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium and who the main culprits are
09/02/2010 02:25:39 seaborgium Vesper, ian I can tell you right now
09/02/2010 02:25:40 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, we need the strike groups ready regardless
09/02/2010 02:25:42 seaborgium Vesper, ian I don't get hit
09/02/2010 02:25:53 ian Vesper, seaborgium so the mobilisation will continue - as once the update comes out
09/02/2010 02:26:00 seaborgium Vesper, ian i had 2.5B out the other day
09/02/2010 02:26:01 ian Vesper, seaborgium its about whats invested before the war which matters
09/02/2010 02:26:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian and I know strikes can break me
09/02/2010 02:26:12 seaborgium Vesper, ian Ian part of the issue is the def rule
09/02/2010 02:26:14 Vesper ian, seaborgium your defense > vaga's strike
09/02/2010 02:26:27 seaborgium Vesper, ian but
09/02/2010 02:26:35 seaborgium Vesper, ian if you lifted the rule
09/02/2010 02:26:40 seaborgium Vesper, ian they would raise there strikes
09/02/2010 02:26:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium yeah
09/02/2010 02:26:55 ian Vesper, seaborgium i m actually thinking of a 3 tiered approach
09/02/2010 02:26:59 seaborgium Vesper, ian do you have a alliance attack log?
09/02/2010 02:27:06 ian Vesper, seaborgium 1.) We look at our accounts, work out what has to be done - defence wise then economically
09/02/2010 02:27:26 Vesper ian, seaborgium 5mil army = 3bil defense
09/02/2010 02:27:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium 2.) We get a FULL overview of the state of the imperium in terms of who's farming us - and then approach FIRE properly
09/02/2010 02:27:42 ian Vesper, seaborgium and make our case - and explain to them exactly what we expect
09/02/2010 02:27:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium 3.) We use our newly built strike teams when necessary
09/02/2010 02:27:51 seaborgium Vesper, ian for my other game, I created a place to upload the attack logs, then I could look back over a day to see who hit who
09/02/2010 02:28:12 ian Vesper, seaborgium proper defences + a properly enforced farming policy should actually limit/ stop our need to fight major wars
09/02/2010 02:28:25 Vesper ian, seaborgium we dont have full attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:25 seaborgium Vesper, ian Good luck Ian
09/02/2010 02:28:33 Vesper ian, seaborgium cant only see each individual attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:38 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, yeah
09/02/2010 02:28:46 seaborgium Vesper, ian and admin won't put it in
09/02/2010 02:28:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium still.. if me, you and hai checked the logs i m sure it wouldn't take us long vesper
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium literally copy & paste
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol
Thats just one of several different conversations which covered both the for's and against's of going to war, and generally remained undecided. No final orders were ever issued for a attack time and generally as far as TIE was concerned any future war would be held at the earliest in weeks/ months - not days like is implied by ~B.
5.) Does FIRE know this?
Answer: Yes - we told FIRE about it 2 or 3 days ago. Before that we also continued throughout the last 2 weeks maintaining civil diplomacy and infact pointed out to FIRE if they have a issue with the policy to discuss it with us first
6.) Is it true a war-poll was created on whether to go to war?
Answer: A poll was created. The majority said they would support an individual of The Imperium if he decided to go to war for his own reasons, and that he shouldn't leave The Imperium to avoid us getting drawn in. No decision was reached by the leadership ever - the poll was a consultation excercise.
7.) Does FIRE know about this poll?
Answer: Yes they do - I invited them onto our forums to check the facts for themselves and gave them temporary access to The Imperium war-chamber.
8.) Does FIRE know The Imperium was behind their recent forum issues/ security problems?
Answer: Yes they do - they were told 2 - 3 days ago.
Conclusion?
Universe seems to be trying to convince you all i m ~B and that this is a massive scheme by The Imperium full of lies and manipulation of FIRE.
What Universe - and any of the other SHC members who have not been following events closely or who ve not actually asked - doesn't know is that pretty much right from the moment of the security breach becoming apparent to us on Febuary the 5th The Imperium/ Myself contacted Lord Ishurue and later FIRE and have been doing our best to cooperate with them to find ~B - including gradually making known our own "skeletons" in the closet.
Without FIRE's help ~B and the cabal would still be at large and unidentified - and that means right now both sides would be at war with the other probably.
Instead.. due to the level of cooperation and need to be completely open/ trust one another FIRE and T.I.E's relations are probably among the closest they ve been in a long while.., and hopefully will remain that way
It is because ~B was not informed, nor understood the level of cooperation which has happened the last week between all the various parties - which is why in the end we managed to catch and find out who ~B is - Universe.
Suffice it to say then: I m not ~B, and The Imperium is certainly not Cabal.
~B/ Universe only presented evidence to FIRE which showed The Imperium was preparing for war. Never was evidence given to present the actual real events - that we were preparing for war under the belief we were going to be attacked by most of the server -or that we were still very much undecided on whether war was the right course - and certainly there was no evidence/ mention provided that there was no date/ time schedule for the war.
Instead the evidence provided merely painted a view we were going to war - painting a picture of The Imperium being aggressive and warmongering. It is this - the lack of presenting a a balanced reflection of the events - which annoys me the most... this and the fact Vesper & Seaborgium were deliberately framed (i.e. evidence/ timing planted/ planned deliberately to make them suspects).
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
howdy y'all
i've noticed that my commander is involved in this discussion, so that concerns me because... you know... he pays the bills... and until now, i liked the steady income... so could anyone make this long thread a summary please...
i've noticed that my commander is involved in this discussion, so that concerns me because... you know... he pays the bills... and until now, i liked the steady income... so could anyone make this long thread a summary please...
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
read the first post.
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Re: Be All Thy Sins Remembered
@Ishurue: As I have repeated about 10 times now, that IS my IP, and I would prefer it if you didn't put it on public display in it's entirety.
Here:
Besides, it'd have been too bloody costly without the updates having come in yet. *grin* So we postponed.
But for everyone who has thus far failed to grasp the concepts:
It basically allows TIE to annex/usurp Fedaykin, and not have a "huge war" on your hands. Instead, you have peace. So excuse me for not buying that **Filtered**. You had too much to gain from this.
*reads* Naah.. you wouldn't. You couldn't.
Although where you say 'The Imperium', I would rather see you say 'Ian'. There are too many people in The Imperium who cannot possibly know any of this. That's the thing with Inner Circles, and Circles within Circles. They exclude people from the full truth.
For example. Have you informed FIRE yet, about Dune's role in The Imperium's SHC since before I joined the circle? I'm not sure you have.. because that's a skeleton that keeps dangling his arms in front of us. Poor puppet. I must admit, you do have a good sense of keeping the people who have value to you out of harm's way. Just that your list of people who have value to you is pretty damned short, isn't it? Starting with "Ian", then "The Imperium - i.e. Ian", then .. well, I'm guessing the SHC, but given the ease with which you throw me to the wolves, I do have my doubts.
I am not. And even if you convince everyone else.. I'll know I didn't do it.
Unless by "The Imperium" you refer to "The Imperium Supreme High Command"? That is a cabal, look it up in the dictionary.
Now this is going to be good. Thank you for telling "the truth" to everyone, ian. I am impressed. Hail ian, who has graced us with his undeniable version of "the truth". *grin* Really? More **Filtered** from you? Delightful. (Sorry I cannot match your level of infantility, Starry. A shame, it must be lovely to look at things like that.)Ok guys.
Some of you seem to be utterly confused as to a couple of things - and to completely crush what Universe has been saying about The Imperium's suppossed master-plan/ manipulation:
Of course we had a sympathiser. Anyone who would say Dune was anything less than a full-on spy, is either naive or didn't think. Let's see if I can put this in words clearly. No wait. You did that already.. *grin*1.) Did T.I.E have a spy in FIRE's ranks?
Answer: We had someone who informed us of when anything important concerning TIE was discussed within FIRE. Nothing else was told to us about the affairs of FIRE. So not so much a spy - more a sympathiser who kept us updated on important stuff for T.I.E I.e. we learnt about FIRE's discussions on whether to join O empire to counter The Imperium.
Here:
Are you trying to tell me you lied to your own High Command? Kind of like how you accused Seaborgium? With all that 'evidence' against him? *grin* So utterly hilarious. And then when this bounces, you frame me for your rather successful plan? So far, the only thing that's gone wrong is that I didn't roll over and die. Underestimated?ian, 2nd TIE SHC Forum wrote:
To clarify what the truth is:
- Spoiler:
- Dune has infiltrated FIRE as a spy for TIE
- TIE has and is planning war against FIRE regardless of what The Cabal and ~B says
- TIE's forum's weren't hacked - there is no Jonathon or Sparta23
- Seaborgium is the reason our forum's have a security breach... and is the traitor in our ranks
- TIE hacked the FIRE forum's
- Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true.
Our objectives:
- To make FIRE consider the Cabal and ~B an enemy, and to persuade them to continue to help us to track the cabal down
- To prevent FIRE considering the Cabal as an ally... since the Cabal would be a HUGE asset to FIRE.
- To prevent FIRE realising that everything the Cabal told them is true... mainly that TIE is preparing to attack.
In other words, you maintain your spy until it becomes feasible to extract him, and then, when Fedaykin/UUN/Dune's puppets moved in with TIE, you tell FIRE you have a 'sympathiser'? Entertaining. By the time you told them you had a sympathiser, your actual spy had left FIRE. And of course, brought sufficient information to make it appear as though you still did..2.) Did FIRE know?
Answer: I think i told Jiro we did about 2 - 3 days ago. Lord Ishurue and the other FIRE HC have also known about it for at least 2 days when we explained to them why T.I.E was preparing for war.
ian, 2nd TIE SHC Forum wrote:
To clarify what the truth is:
- Spoiler:
- Dune has infiltrated FIRE as a spy for TIE
- TIE has and is planning war against FIRE regardless of what The Cabal and ~B says
- TIE's forum's weren't hacked - there is no Jonathon or Sparta23
- Seaborgium is the reason our forum's have a security breach... and is the traitor in our ranks
- TIE hacked the FIRE forum's
- Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true.
Our objectives:
- To make FIRE consider the Cabal and ~B an enemy, and to persuade them to continue to help us to track the cabal down
- To prevent FIRE considering the Cabal as an ally... since the Cabal would be a HUGE asset to FIRE.
- To prevent FIRE realising that everything the Cabal told them is true... mainly that TIE is preparing to attack.
Oh yes.. because the whole of FIRE was such a major threat to The Imperium.. We could have sliced, buttered, and had them for breakfast before the day was up. But that wouldn't have worked to your advantage, would it? Then, you would no longer be able to tell everyone how bloody reasonable you are, would you?3.) Was The Imperium preparing for war against F.I.R.E?
Answer: Yes. We began preparing when we learnt of F.I.R.E's disatisfaction over our farming policy, and that they were considering contacting O Empire to counter-T.I.E. We were pretty angered/ upset that they didn't try diplomacy first.
Besides, it'd have been too bloody costly without the updates having come in yet. *grin* So we postponed.
ian, 2nd TIE SHC Forum wrote:
To clarify what the truth is:
- Spoiler:
- Dune has infiltrated FIRE as a spy for TIE
- TIE has and is planning war against FIRE regardless of what The Cabal and ~B says
- TIE's forum's weren't hacked - there is no Jonathon or Sparta23
- Seaborgium is the reason our forum's have a security breach... and is the traitor in our ranks
- TIE hacked the FIRE forum's
- Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true.
Our objectives:
- To make FIRE consider the Cabal and ~B an enemy, and to persuade them to continue to help us to track the cabal down
- To prevent FIRE considering the Cabal as an ally... since the Cabal would be a HUGE asset to FIRE.
- To prevent FIRE realising that everything the Cabal told them is true... mainly that TIE is preparing to attack.
Hm, did ~B imply days? That's news to me. What a fool, he knew the updates were the main reason we would wait. The only reason anyone would divulge misinformation like that is to get their audience to .. well .. react? Like FIRE did. And we have seen how beneficial this war has been, to you.4.) So... was T.I.E definately planning to attack FIRE?
Answer: The decision was made to prepare for war. Not to go to war. No final orders were issued and various msn conversations were held between myself and those online at the time I m online (which varies) which never reached a final verdict. The last msn conversation before the (very brief) FIRE vs. TIE war actually decided NOT to go to war and instead to persue a different approach:
- Spoiler:
09/02/2010 02:24:56 ian Vesper, seaborgium I m thinking of cancelling the war against FIRE btw
09/02/2010 02:25:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian you ass monkey
09/02/2010 02:25:17 Vesper ian, seaborgium Razz
09/02/2010 02:25:21 ian Vesper, seaborgium I have a good reason: We need to do a strategic overview of the entire Imperium
09/02/2010 02:25:23 seaborgium Vesper, ian that means i am losing 8% of my 250k UU and 8% of my kuwal
09/02/2010 02:25:26 ian Vesper, seaborgium figure out how extensive and bad the farming is
09/02/2010 02:25:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium and who the main culprits are
09/02/2010 02:25:39 seaborgium Vesper, ian I can tell you right now
09/02/2010 02:25:40 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, we need the strike groups ready regardless
09/02/2010 02:25:42 seaborgium Vesper, ian I don't get hit
09/02/2010 02:25:53 ian Vesper, seaborgium so the mobilisation will continue - as once the update comes out
09/02/2010 02:26:00 seaborgium Vesper, ian i had 2.5B out the other day
09/02/2010 02:26:01 ian Vesper, seaborgium its about whats invested before the war which matters
09/02/2010 02:26:05 seaborgium Vesper, ian and I know strikes can break me
09/02/2010 02:26:12 seaborgium Vesper, ian Ian part of the issue is the def rule
09/02/2010 02:26:14 Vesper ian, seaborgium your defense > vaga's strike
09/02/2010 02:26:27 seaborgium Vesper, ian but
09/02/2010 02:26:35 seaborgium Vesper, ian if you lifted the rule
09/02/2010 02:26:40 seaborgium Vesper, ian they would raise there strikes
09/02/2010 02:26:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium yeah
09/02/2010 02:26:55 ian Vesper, seaborgium i m actually thinking of a 3 tiered approach Razz
09/02/2010 02:26:59 seaborgium Vesper, ian do you have a alliance attack log?
09/02/2010 02:27:06 ian Vesper, seaborgium 1.) We look at our accounts, work out what has to be done - defence wise then economically
09/02/2010 02:27:26 Vesper ian, seaborgium 5mil army = 3bil defense Smile
09/02/2010 02:27:31 ian Vesper, seaborgium 2.) We get a FULL overview of the state of the imperium in terms of who's farming us - and then approach FIRE properly
09/02/2010 02:27:42 ian Vesper, seaborgium and make our case - and explain to them exactly what we expect
09/02/2010 02:27:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium 3.) We use our newly built strike teams when necessary
09/02/2010 02:27:51 seaborgium Vesper, ian for my other game, I created a place to upload the attack logs, then I could look back over a day to see who hit who
09/02/2010 02:28:12 ian Vesper, seaborgium proper defences + a properly enforced farming policy should actually limit/ stop our need to fight major wars
09/02/2010 02:28:25 Vesper ian, seaborgium we dont have full attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:25 seaborgium Vesper, ian Good luck Ian
09/02/2010 02:28:33 Vesper ian, seaborgium cant only see each individual attack logs
09/02/2010 02:28:38 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol, yeah Sad
09/02/2010 02:28:46 seaborgium Vesper, ian and admin won't put it in
09/02/2010 02:28:49 ian Vesper, seaborgium still.. if me, you and hai checked the logs i m sure it wouldn't take us long vesper Razz
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium literally copy & paste
09/02/2010 02:29:02 ian Vesper, seaborgium lol
Thats just one of several different conversations which covered both the for's and against's of going to war, and generally remained undecided. No final orders were ever issued for a attack time and generally as far as TIE was concerned any future war would be held at the earliest in weeks/ months - not days like is implied by ~B.
But for everyone who has thus far failed to grasp the concepts:
It basically allows TIE to annex/usurp Fedaykin, and not have a "huge war" on your hands. Instead, you have peace. So excuse me for not buying that **Filtered**. You had too much to gain from this.
ian, 2nd TIE SHC Forum wrote:
To clarify what the truth is:
- Spoiler:
- Dune has infiltrated FIRE as a spy for TIE
- TIE has and is planning war against FIRE regardless of what The Cabal and ~B says
- TIE's forum's weren't hacked - there is no Jonathon or Sparta23
- Seaborgium is the reason our forum's have a security breach... and is the traitor in our ranks
- TIE hacked the FIRE forum's
- Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true.
Our objectives:
- To make FIRE consider the Cabal and ~B an enemy, and to persuade them to continue to help us to track the cabal down
- To prevent FIRE considering the Cabal as an ally... since the Cabal would be a HUGE asset to FIRE.
- To prevent FIRE realising that everything the Cabal told them is true... mainly that TIE is preparing to attack.
Well, well, well.. aren't you the shining beacon of diplomatic conduct? So we stalled, and stalled, and stalled.. after all, war, we decided, was too costly to allocate our assets to. Didn't you make another one of your lovely calculations of costs vs benefits? *grin* Such naivete.. such manipulation of the truth.5.) Does FIRE know this?
Answer: Yes - we told FIRE about it 2 or 3 days ago. Before that we also continued throughout the last 2 weeks maintaining civil diplomacy and infact pointed out to FIRE if they have a issue with the policy to discuss it with us first Smile
Yeah, I remember that thread. I remember that other thread as well. The one about how extremely expensive massing FIRE would be before the updates come in? And how they didn't realise that? Will you deny that Vesper and Hai exercised complete massing exercises, all the way to 0, on the Test Server? Will you deny that we knew with 100% certainty how expensive massing would be before the updates, and with 99% certainty -admin sometimes changes his mind- how cheap it would be after the updates in comparison? Will you deny that was the reason we collectively decided -in the SHC- to stall and keep FIRE under diplomatic lock and key?6.) Is it true a war-poll was created on whether to go to war?
Answer: A poll was created. The majority said they would support an individual of The Imperium if he decided to go to war for his own reasons, and that he shouldn't leave The Imperium to avoid us getting drawn in. No decision was reached by the leadership ever - the poll was a consultation excercise.
*reads* Naah.. you wouldn't. You couldn't.
As I said, never denied the existence of that thread. It's of no consequence, like anything posted on the non-SHC forums is. Not like we'll ever leave the actual important decisions in the hands of our grunts.. would we? We're a bloody Empire. Peons are just cannon fodder, fun to spam with, that's about the extent of how much we need them.. oh, yes. And to function as pawns in wars. Advanced weapons.7.) Does FIRE know about this poll?
Answer: Yes they do - I invited them onto our forums to check the facts for themselves and gave them temporary access to The Imperium war-chamber.
Nice. Glad to see you admit this part without circumventing the truth. Then again, you would not have anything to gain from denying this, would you?8.) Does FIRE know The Imperium was behind their recent forum issues/ security problems?
Answer: Yes they do - they were told 2 - 3 days ago.
'seems'? Bloody **Filtered**, I told you straightfaced that is what I am saying.Conclusion?
Universe seems to be trying to convince you all i m ~B and that this is a massive scheme by The Imperium full of lies and manipulation of FIRE.
Although where you say 'The Imperium', I would rather see you say 'Ian'. There are too many people in The Imperium who cannot possibly know any of this. That's the thing with Inner Circles, and Circles within Circles. They exclude people from the full truth.
And these actions were.. oh, I see. You were the one leading/guiding the investigation into ~B, making the decisions about what to disclose and what not to disclose. So, operating under the assumption that you're the bloody manipulating son of a bitch we've all come to know and love as "~B", you would have every opportunity to filter what information you would and would not release.What Universe - and any of the other SHC members who have not been following events closely or who ve not actually asked - doesn't know is that pretty much right from the moment of the security breach becoming apparent to us on Febuary the 5th The Imperium/ Myself contacted Lord Ishurue and later FIRE and have been doing our best to cooperate with them to find ~B - including gradually making known our own "skeletons" in the closet.
For example. Have you informed FIRE yet, about Dune's role in The Imperium's SHC since before I joined the circle? I'm not sure you have.. because that's a skeleton that keeps dangling his arms in front of us. Poor puppet. I must admit, you do have a good sense of keeping the people who have value to you out of harm's way. Just that your list of people who have value to you is pretty damned short, isn't it? Starting with "Ian", then "The Imperium - i.e. Ian", then .. well, I'm guessing the SHC, but given the ease with which you throw me to the wolves, I do have my doubts.
Not if it was in the Cabal's best interest to have peace between TIE and FIRE now, would you? But I'll take your word for it. I'm sure whatever you gave Ishurue was sufficient information.Without FIRE's help ~B and the cabal would still be at large and unidentified - and that means right now both sides would be at war with the other probably.
ian, 2nd TIE SHC Forum wrote:
To clarify what the truth is:
- Spoiler:
- Dune has infiltrated FIRE as a spy for TIE
- TIE has and is planning war against FIRE regardless of what The Cabal and ~B says
- TIE's forum's weren't hacked - there is no Jonathon or Sparta23
- Seaborgium is the reason our forum's have a security breach... and is the traitor in our ranks
- TIE hacked the FIRE forum's
- Everything FIRE has recieved from the Cabal & ~B is true.
Our objectives:
- To make FIRE consider the Cabal and ~B an enemy, and to persuade them to continue to help us to track the cabal down
- To prevent FIRE considering the Cabal as an ally... since the Cabal would be a HUGE asset to FIRE.
- To prevent FIRE realising that everything the Cabal told them is true... mainly that TIE is preparing to attack.
Yeah.. it would suck for FIRE to try and challenge the hegemonai of the game. Just as it would suck for TIE to have one of the remaining powers turn on them, disregard their farming policies, and just.. disrespect them.Instead.. due to the level of cooperation and need to be completely open/ trust one another FIRE and T.I.E's relations are probably among the closest they ve been in a long while.., and hopefully will remain that way Smile
Cooperation between you and the rest. *grin* Let's be honest here. You stopped talking to me / evaded me on MSN, probably set up another scam forum in the process, and paved the way for framing me into being your scapegoat.It is because ~B was not informed, nor understood the level of cooperation which has happened the last week between all the various parties - which is why in the end we managed to catch and find out who ~B is - Universe.
I am not. And even if you convince everyone else.. I'll know I didn't do it.
So now 'The Imperium' is supposed to be the Cabal? What makes you say that? Yes, I am calling you out as ~B, because I have no bloody clue who else would have their fingers in every pot. I have not said The Imperium is the Cabal, and I will not say that. The Imperium is way too large to be the Cabal..Suffice it to say then: I m not ~B, and The Imperium is certainly not Cabal.
Unless by "The Imperium" you refer to "The Imperium Supreme High Command"? That is a cabal, look it up in the dictionary.
I have no idea what evidence I should have presented to FIRE, because I am not ~B. But if you say ~B left out actual details.. I'll just take your word for it. I'm good at that, until I get framed.~B/ Universe only presented evidence to FIRE which showed The Imperium was preparing for war. Never was evidence given to present the actual real events - that we were preparing for war under the belief we were going to be attacked by most of the server -or that we were still very much undecided on whether war was the right course - and certainly there was no evidence/ mention provided that there was no date/ time schedule for the war.
Oh, I'm sure you're grieved. *facepalm*Instead the evidence provided merely painted a view we were going to war - painting a picture of The Imperium being aggressive and warmongering. It is this - the lack of presenting a a balanced reflection of the events - which annoys me the most... this and the fact Vesper & Seaborgium were deliberately framed (i.e. evidence/ timing planted/ planned deliberately to make them suspects).
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