Mutual defense treaty between World Republic and the Federation of independent planets

We, Jiro, on behalf of the Federation of independent planets, and Keinutnai, on behalf of World Repubic have agreed to the following mutual defense treaty:

Each shall be treated by the other as being a member of that alliance. If war is started by one without cause, there might not be help from the other. If war is waged upon one, the other will help to the fullest extent possible.
This follows the same guidelines as the codes of conduct for each, as published on the forum at this date and time.
Any changes to the codes of conduct shall not be part of this treaty unless ratified.

LOL, i haven't got much to say... but i think this link pretty much sums up my views on the current situation, as well as showing the likely outcome to it - or at least the desired situation (being actively worked toward via the strength of lies, deceit, playing on fear and general manipulation) by some unnamed parties on this server, which will inevitably result in the desired situation becoming a reality, and thus the consequences of that reality becoming a reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD_gqBgpZ3M <----------------- jump to 1.00 onwards to get a idea of what i mean

"One alliance to rule them all, One alliance to find them, One alliance to bring them all and in the darkness bind them"

Hi Ian,

Can you please explain to me which side is which? Given that your post reads like a barely veiled threat, I would guess that you represent the forces of Mordor. But then I may be reading your post wrong. Would you care to clarify your position, because lies, deceit and manipulation wither in open dialogue.
My intention is protecting players from overt agression, both within the Federation and outside. Nothing more, nothing less.
Best regards,


Jiro

World Republic = Mordor. Kenzu seeks to unite the rest of the server under himself, and always has done, for his own ends.

We all know this alliance is a direct counter to The Imperium - what noone knows is that it is a attempt by World Republic to desperately bring more allies to its cause for when The Imperium finally tires of World Republic's manipulation and lies - and resolves to end them once and for all.

What better way to do this, than telling all the smaller alliances that "big bad" Imperium will come along and destroy them unless they seek the protection and aid of "protector" World Republic?

It is a mere power play by Kenzu and World Republic - spreading lies, fear and deceit at the cost of The Imperium - while at the same time the real victims being the small alliances, who will be wrapped up in World Republic's power play and bound to the power of World Republic and Kenzu - both in the advantages and disadvantages.

The small alliances are but mere porns on the battlefield - being played by World Republic.

Ask members of The Commonwealth, The Company - even alliances long gone (such as Geto-dacii) what they think of World Republic, whether World Republic has ever contacted them during conflict to offer their support, or to request their "services" - if you ask enough, you will start to get a picture of what World Republic's policy is, and has always been.

They don't use outright force (since they have next to none) - instead they rely on manipulating others to do their work. They ll aid one side in a conflict (often caused by them/ escalated by them - or talking other parties into starting them with assurances of their "support") - then just as readily turn on their previous allies at first opportunity (much like they did in getting and aiding The Company to originally mass Geto-dacii, then withdrawing their support and giving serious consideration to aid Geto-dacii/ a force presenting a threat to The Company - simply because of The Company's size and strength - Kenzu even asked myself and The Commonwealth if we would seek a alliance with World Republic against The Company).

Deciet, lies and manipulation - espionnage . That is World Republic's policy - that is its foreign policy. This policy now serves to rally support to World Republic, to try to give them the forces needed to confront The Imperium in open battle - and thus, now drawn in and bound to World Republic and the consequences of their actions, The Federation of Independent Planets becomes simply the latest victim to World Republic's policy and quest to further its own causes and gains - with no consideration or worry about the costs to others.

Don't worry Jiro, I looked at your alliance members. You guys have NOTHING to lose. As long as you don't grow, you're clear.

I. Keinutnai, on behalf of the World Republic alliance agree to the mutual defense treaty with Federation of independent planets.

ian wrote:World Republic = Mordor. Kenzu seeks to unite the rest of the server under himself, and always has done, for his own ends.

We all know this alliance is a direct counter to The Imperium - what noone knows is that it is a attempt by World Republic to desperately bring more allies to its cause for when The Imperium finally tires of World Republic's manipulation and lies - and resolves to end them once and for all.

What better way to do this, than telling all the smaller alliances that "big bad" Imperium will come along and destroy them unless they seek the protection and aid of "protector" World Republic?

It is a mere power play by Kenzu and World Republic - spreading lies, fear and deceit at the cost of The Imperium - while at the same time the real victims being the small alliances, who will be wrapped up in World Republic's power play and bound to the power of World Republic and Kenzu - both in the advantages and disadvantages.

The small alliances are but mere porns on the battlefield - being played by World Republic.

Ask members of The Commonwealth, The Company - even alliances long gone (such as Geto-dacii) what they think of World Republic, whether World Republic has ever contacted them during conflict to offer their support, or to request their "services" - if you ask enough, you will start to get a picture of what World Republic's policy is, and has always been.

They don't use outright force (since they have next to none) - instead they rely on manipulating others to do their work. They ll aid one side in a conflict (often caused by them/ escalated by them - or talking other parties into starting them with assurances of their "support") - then just as readily turn on their previous allies at first opportunity (much like they did in getting and aiding The Company to originally mass Geto-dacii, then withdrawing their support and giving serious consideration to aid Geto-dacii/ a force presenting a threat to The Company - simply because of The Company's size and strength - Kenzu even asked myself and The Commonwealth if we would seek a alliance with World Republic against The Company).

Deciet, lies and manipulation - espionnage . That is World Republic's policy - that is its foreign policy. This policy now serves to rally support to World Republic, to try to give them the forces needed to confront The Imperium in open battle - and thus, now drawn in and bound to World Republic and the consequences of their actions, The Federation of Independent Planets becomes simply the latest victim to World Republic's policy and quest to further its own causes and gains - with no consideration or worry about the costs to others.

World Republic has never lied, but we know that the Commonwealth lies sometimes to fuel its agenda.

I dont undestand how the small alliances are according to your thought victims, if what WR offers is strong military support.
Of course the Commonwealth is unhappy about that, because now they will be inhibited to what they can and cannot do to the small alliances. They know very well that a mistake could lead to a massive war.

You say World Republic has now force?
We are 2 times stronger than you. You grew by 2 billion power and we grew by 5 billion during the same time.
You better stop living in illusions. Just because we don't use our power do crush other alliances, doesnt mean we cannot.

It is obvious that when an empire emerges, another empire will emerge to bring balance.
It would be wrong to let the things go, since letting go could mean that one alliance would dominate all.
Experienced players know that if there is only one major alliance, much stronger than all others, the game could come to an end.
WR is here to stop it from happening.

Unlike The Company and Commonwealth, which is continuously trying to recruit players from other alliances into theirs, World Republic is helping smaller alliances to flourish, because many alliances bring more variety and better gameplay.

World Republic isnt an "evil alliance" you are hoping it to be.
Most of the deceit and treachery comes from Commonwealth, but you know it, Ian.
You are spying on WR and hunting nonexistent spies in your own alliance with radical zeal.
You say you will reward spies who will cooperate with you, but actually you want to punish them for not being loyal to you.
Why aren't they loyal? Is it because you don't respect your members and think only about yourself?

Do you think such a chaotic way of governing an alliance will lead to success?

you know, Kenzu, your post would be a fun read if it wasn't so wrapped in fail .

"We gre by 5 bil, we can kick your ass, woo!" <- LOL, sweet sweet LOL
"We can crush alliances!" <- yeah, 2 week-old, 5 members alliances
"You spy and hunt spies in your alliance" <- Roflcopter is in town

Those are just the high points of a really fun read. But, like I said, the fail in it kind of keeps me from really taking it in.

Don't worry tiger, I'm sure Ian will reply, then we can all enjoy him explaining something 5 different ways.

few home truths to Kenzu
1) about the difference in alliance power. yes you are double us but we have 33 members and you have 105. therefore if you want to go down that road you should be at least 3X stronger then we are. (also what about the company? again 1/3 your members and nearly double power)
2) we care more about economy in TC. therefore in and after a war we will be better off then the majority of your lot
3) I think i am right in thinking that TC does not throw its weight around to bully smaller alliances (only you ), this is just part of your propaganda campaign, which you are of course allowed to do. (also ain't it weird how none of the other top 5 alliances are with u?)
4) and why shouldn't we be allowed to recruit active players (we are not as prolific as you seeing how many members you have btw). we are all active and it is nice to meet new players and there is a rewarding feeling helping them to grow.

there is my post know it isn't as long as Ian's but i am trying my best
(also couldn't think of five points sorry sand lol)

World Republic has never bullied smaller alliances, which makes your whole post worthless.

Kenzu wrote:World Republic has never bullied smaller alliances, which makes your whole post worthless.

Except you ve bullied smaller players, and pretty frequently if your forum is anything to go by (i did enjoy looking around it, and especially enjoyed your battle group things where WR members volunteer for, with the frequent updates of the "brave actions" fought against enemies of the world republic)

Anyway... this is irrelevant i m afraid. You see kenzu - you ve made a significant mistake - that is that you ve concentrated on convincing the rest of aderan wars that world republic isn't an hostile alliance - at the expense of discrediting and insulting The Commonwealth, The Company and The Imperium empire as a whole.

In so doing, your just digging yourself a ever deeper hole - one which is almost down to a depth of 6 foot i m afraid - and it is only a matter of time if you carry on like you are, before The Imperium helps you "fill" that hole back in, minus yourself being on the surface.

By all means continue to manipulate others, and by inspiring and spreading fear of The Imperium, gather a ever larger crowd of completely irrelevant smaller players who won't make even a slight difference when The Imperium comes for World Republic - but know that everytime you do this - it just makes it ever more probable that The Imperium's patience will expire, and with it World Republic's life expectancy.

By the way - we know EXACTLY who World Republic's operative is in The Commonwealth's ranks - i ll give you a clue - his ingame i.d is between 950 and 1200. That means we know for a FACT that you ve breached the ultimatum and intentionally attempted to mislead myself and The Imperium. You ll undoubtedly deny this publically on this forum... but given we know for a FACT the identity of your operative along with the sort of info you ve been recieving (mainly in that we ve been misleading him for the last several weeks with false info ), anything you say won't make the slightest difference to what and when The Imperium's military response will be for this treachery.

There are only a handful of ways you and World Republic will now avoid the impending consequences - lieing outright to us, trying to rally others against us and insulting us isn't one of them. I m giving you one last chance to come clean with what you have been doing, and to withdraw your operative from our ranks. The fact you lied to me outright on the ultimatum, and continue to outright lie to me even now is what assures Imperium hostility towards World Republic - since by its very definition, lieing, manpipulating, attempting to mislead and keeping an operative in another alliance is an act of war. This is your last chance for a clean slate, i won't offer World Republic it again.

But - to clarify once and for all just which of The Commonwealth and the World Republic are the real aggressors, perhaps you could fill the rest of the server in by answering the below questions honestly?

1.) How many players has The Commonwealth ever massed, assassinated, sabbed, invaded - or generally performed any form of hostile action (other than farming/ raiding) against since our time on Aderan Wars?
2.) How many players has World Republic ever massed, assassinated, sabbed, invaded - or generally performed any form of hostile action (other than farming/ raiding) against since your time on Aderan Wars?
3.) How many players has The Commonwealth ever contacted requesting them to sell information on their alliance, to betray their alliance - or to become Commonwealth operatives?
4.) How many players has World Republic ever contacted requesting them to sell information on their alliance, to betray their alliance - or to become World Republic operatives?
5.) How many wars on the server has The Commonwealth had any direct or indirect participation/ influence in?
6.) How many wars on the server has World Republic ever had any direct or indirect participation/ influence in?

For the rest of the server, whether friend, foe or neutral - i challenge ANY of you to answer the above 6 questions honestly and truthfully.

The Commonwealth is many things - but we are not what Kenzu makes us out to be - that of an aggressive, bullying, manipulative alliance. I challenge ANYONE with evidence to support Kenzu's claims and slanders against The Commonwealth to make it known on this thread.

The only alliance currently who has anything to fear from The Commonwealth and The Imperium as a whole, is World Republic and anyone who aligns with them - and that is because they do harm to our reputation, our influence and our future prosperous perspectives on the server by spreading such slander, and by the webs of deceit which they wieve.

Those of the smaller alliances tempted to seek a mutual defence pact with World Republic - except those who already have a Defence pact (thus are deemed to consent and support World Republic conduct and foreign policy) - i give you FULL and a public garantee that you will not be harmed by The Imperium, now or in the future - without a justified reason (such as your conducting hostile actions such as sabbing, assassinations, assault or invasion missions against Imperium members - or threatening Imperium members, or over-farming/ raiding Imperium members etc...).

For those of you with a defence pact - or those considering it, what World Republic is doing is to seek to save itself. They know the crimes they ve committed against The Imperium, and they know the continued lies and hostility they wield against The Imperium even now - and they know that an Imperium military response is inevitable. Thus they seek a defence pact, with the terms that only those who *aren't* the aggressors should be aided. Thus when the day comes that The Imperium responds to World Republic's numerous acts of war and hostility against us, they will call for aid - and they will tell you they have done nothing to The Imperium, and are the victims.

When that day comes - which unless Kenzu confesses to the crimes committed by World Republic - will come, you will be bound to enter this war - for who of you knows or can prove that World Republic is the aggressor? The answer is none of you - World Republic have kept you and most of its memberbase in the dark regarding their conduct - thus they will call for aid, and you will have a choice - join in a futile war against The Imperium due to having no proof of World Republic aggression/ provocation of the attack - or to refuse to enter, in which case you will be branded traitors and oath breakers by World Republic, and for ever more have their vengeance and hatred directed at you.

Believe me or ignore my advice - its your call - but to all small alliances with relations with World Republic, or considering relations with World Republic - if you seek and agree to a mutual defence pact with world republic, you will be placing yourselves in an impossible position where you will eithier have to fight beside World Republic, or not come ot their aid, and thus be accussed of treason and betrayal by them - and consequently suffer the results.

Act now and avoid the snares and webs of Kenzu and World Republic - act and renounce any agreements you may have, and if you have no agreements, act to keep it that way. The board is set, and the pieces are moving.... i don't think any of you want to become porns in a fight not of your making.

Finally... unless i m mistaken The Commonwealth is now rank 2 on the alliance rankings - having just replaced World Republic, knocking them down to rank 3

GOD BLESS your posts ian, just love them
and kenzu, i don't think your post invalidates my post, you seemed to skate over point's umm... 1-4(the whole post) and concentrated your reply at a bit of banter that bit of banter btw was meant to be taken as the TC throws it's weight against u (seeing as there could be a war between us), not WR against small alliances.

Kenzu wrote:Most of the deceit and treachery comes from Commonwealth, but you know it, Ian.
You are spying on WR and hunting nonexistent spies in your own alliance with radical zeal.
You say you will reward spies who will cooperate with you, but actually you want to punish them for not being loyal to you.
Why aren't they loyal? Is it because you don't respect your members and think only about yourself?

Do you think such a chaotic way of governing an alliance will lead to success?

Please be specific about this "deciet and treachery" conducted by The Commonwealth Kenzu.... serously, you have a great chance to smash The Commonwealth'd credibility sideways - so throw everything you have at us which can harm us. If you can't back up that claim though... i suspect it ll show it for the lie which it is.

As for hunting nonexistence spies in our ranks. Did it ever occur to you that your asking some of our members to be spies for you - when at the time we only had 2 - 3 members who weren't from The Commonwealth from Dune (as in, members who i trust without question due to years of service), kinda limited the number of candidates who could be spies for you - and that your asking members to be spies, pretty much assurred i was alerted straight away to your attempts, and thus took actions to ensure that of those not from TC on dune, we were able to test their loyalty?

There is no spy hunt i m afraid - the hunt never even began due to the precautions always taken in the Commonwealth - and we ve known who your agent is long bbefore i even issued that ultimatum. Your spy an ingame I.D between 900 > 1,200... i know who he is, you know who he is. Do you really still think i don't know who it is, and haven't known all this time? Do you really still think that i wouldn't take precautions to mislead and falsify information knowing you would recieve it? Do you really still think i don't know for a fact that your lieing to me - and thus will act to put an permament end to World Republic's ability to lie to me. That agent's prosperity lives only so long as he (unintentionally) serves The Commonwealth by enabling us to lead World Republic in completely the wrong direction. He ll suffer for his treason soon.... unless your prepared to publically admit your lies and deceit to The Commonwealth, compensate us for your hostility (i think a 68,000,000,000 compensation - 2billion per TC member - would be fair given you ve done nothing but lie to us, lie about us and spreading fear and resentment towards anyone marching under the banner of The Commonwealth - which inevitably impacts how players deal and interact with Commonwealth members, hurting them ingame and in terms of being part of the community), and withdraw him out of The Commonwealth to wherever you want to put him next.

As for The Commonwealth surviving - we survived EVERYTHING our enemies threw at us on Dune, and we ve lasted for over 3 years now. I can assure you the ENTIRE memberbase of The Commonwealth is loyal (with the exception of your agent) and any way of governing i may have... is by its very definition a successfull way since we ve never yet failed to become a major/ superpower on any game we ve played, coupled with lasting a very very long time.

Tread very carefully Kenzu, you ve awoken a sleeping dragon - one which won't hesitate to turn you into a spicy char grilled rib (though ribs might well have more intelligeance when it comes to foreign policy than WR combined).

"together we stand, and together we cannot fall." i wonder if your alliance could say as much, are you willing to destroy your account for your alliance because believe me, the commonwealth will to a man (bar the spy) and we have proven it in the past.

"It is an unfortunate fact that we can secure peace only by preparing for war." oh and ribs sounds good

ian wrote:compensate us for your hostility (i think a 68,000,000,000 compensation - 2billion per TC member

So i actually think kenzu has a fair offer there. He will lose more then 68bil if he refuses.

Mass the person you think is a spy and you will see that your members will leave your alliance for massing an innocent.

Vesper wrote:So i actually think kenzu has a fair offer there. He will lose more then 68bil if he refuses.

you do realize the epic logical fallacy in that, right?

Kenzu wrote:Mass the person you think is a spy and you will see that your members will leave your alliance for massing an innocent.

neah, not gonna happen. I mean, I'm the most disloyal member of TCm. Everybody knows that! Even I wouldn't leave.

Kenzu wrote:Mass the person you think is a spy and you will see that your members will leave your alliance for massing an innocent.

lol, you failed to address any of my points - again i challenge you to address them - those points being answering the 6 questions i raised, and presenting any evidence you have to back up the claims you made on this very thread that it is The Commonwealth who utilises "deciet and treachery". If you can't back up your claims... is it not fair to conclude you ve fabricated them, and that it is infact World Republic who is guilty of manipulation, lies and deceit? I suspect an answer to those 6 questions i asked will also highlight the real aggressor as well.

Admin wrote:

Vesper wrote:So i actually think kenzu has a fair offer there. He will lose more then 68bil if he refuses.

you do realize the epic logical fallacy in that, right?

lol, actually vesper is nearly right there, world republic stands to loose a lot more than 68billion kuwal's worth of resources - more like several 100 billion's worth of resources

ian wrote:

Admin wrote:you do realize the epic logical fallacy in that, right?

lol, actually vesper is nearly right there, world republic stands to loose a lot more than 68billion kuwal's worth of resources - more like several 100 billion's worth of resources

yeh, the necessary highlighting of the word "nearly".
It's what I call the blackmailee's (yes, blackmailee's, NOT blackmailer's) dilemma, or whatever the name for it is in reality.

well it's obvious what I mean without requiring me to explain in detail

yup, if you bend over once, what's to say you won't be asked to again.

Sandwalker wrote:yup, if you bend over once, what's to say you won't be asked to again.

hence the payment of 68 bil isn't anywhere near the cheapest alternative

we are not asking him to bend over (don't swing that way lol) merely lie down

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