Farming policy
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doxakk
seaborgium
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Farming policy
Guys i want to ask u something.......
when u do the math... "for a bad hit"
example: me attacker......x being hit
i don't care how much x looses as long as for me it's a profitable hit
when u do the math... "for a bad hit"
example: me attacker......x being hit
i don't care how much x looses as long as for me it's a profitable hit
^SPEED^- Aderan Worker
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Re: Farming policy
What are you trying to ask?
seaborgium- 2nd in Command
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Re: Farming policy
defender losses do not matter in calculating profit.
doxakk- Aderan Farmer
- Age : 57
Number of posts : 77
Location : Cyprus
Registration date : 2009-09-18
Re: Farming policy
When most people are figuring out if the hit is profitable its
Kuwal taken - Attackers losses = profit
Attackers losses are Units+weapons+training.
Most alliances have a min profit required.
The top 3 alliances I know use 150 * army size(of the defender.)
Kuwal taken - Attackers losses = profit
Attackers losses are Units+weapons+training.
Most alliances have a min profit required.
The top 3 alliances I know use 150 * army size(of the defender.)
seaborgium- 2nd in Command
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Re: Farming policy
in that case Nimras one of your alliance player adds what he looses and that is not right
^SPEED^- Aderan Worker
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Re: Farming policy
To find the profit we use the attackers losses.
The required repayment DOES include the defenders losses.
Here is what is posted that he sent
So what is it that you are questioning?
The required repayment DOES include the defenders losses.
Here is what is posted that he sent
Now for the calculations to show your hit was not within the policy:
Profit to make minimum: 27.158.824 * 150 = 4.073.823.600
Here is the MIN profit that TMI requires
Hit for: 23.629.603.244 Kuwal Stolen
Repairs: (522k weapons + 150k supers + 375k UU price)= 1.047.000 * 19.017 = 19.910.799.000 Kuwal
This right here shows YOUR losses.
Actually Profit: 23.629.603.244 - 19.910.799.000 = 3.718.804.244
See where he took the amount of kuwal taken minus YOUR losses.
Real Profit: 3.718.804.244 - 4.073.823.600 = -355.019.356 Kuwal
Here shows the made profit minus the REQUIRED profit. Which in this case you under the required amount
Should Repay me: (2.458 * 1.047.000 (375K UU + 522k Weapons + 150k Supers) + 23.629.603.244) * 130% = 34.064.068.017,2 Kuwal
This section shows the repayment. Which includes his losses. This is how TMI policy is written.
The policy states that if your hit is found bad, then you repay the losses and the lost kuwal, and depending on the # of hit in the last 10 days a greater amount, be it 130% or 150%
Rounded down: 34.064.068.017 Kuwal
So what is it that you are questioning?
seaborgium- 2nd in Command
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Re: Farming policy
now i understood
^SPEED^- Aderan Worker
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Re: Farming policy
^SPEED^ wrote:in that case Nimras one of your alliance player adds what he looses and that is not right
As I told you ingame I add my losses to the calculation of how much YOU need to pay ME back because YOUR hit was UNPROFITABLE.
As you notice WHEN I calclulated your PROFIT I only used YOUR LOSSES not MINE.
Nimras- Aderan Spy
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Re: Farming policy
Speed this is a 36 hour warning. Please decide what you are doing.
seaborgium- 2nd in Command
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Re: Farming policy
guys what is the meaning of a farming policy?
u want to be respected but u don't respect it?
example:
[05 Jan] 17:40 kingstars 61,851,003,990 Kuwal Stolen 10 38792 5037 69,273,964,820 86,140,834,323 details
i have sent mesages but nothing he says it's a good hit but i say it's not
he has lvl 13 at weapons
curent uu price it's 1 Untrained = 360,930 Kuwal
my army size 83 mil
what do u have to say about that?
u want to be respected but u don't respect it?
example:
[05 Jan] 17:40 kingstars 61,851,003,990 Kuwal Stolen 10 38792 5037 69,273,964,820 86,140,834,323 details
i have sent mesages but nothing he says it's a good hit but i say it's not
he has lvl 13 at weapons
curent uu price it's 1 Untrained = 360,930 Kuwal
my army size 83 mil
what do u have to say about that?
^SPEED^- Aderan Worker
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Registration date : 2009-07-24
Re: Farming policy
he only needed to take 12.45bil for it to be a profitable hit before calculating his losses. as long as he didn't lose 100k attackers and weapons i don't see how it isn't a profitable hit.
also, the current price of UU used for figuring losses is something that's agreed on by alliances, not the current prices on the GM.
also, the current price of UU used for figuring losses is something that's agreed on by alliances, not the current prices on the GM.
crispy- Aderan Soldier
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Registration date : 2011-07-02
Re: Farming policy
Why 100k attackers crispy? Assuming 375k UU (I have no idea what it is for TMI) and profit 12.45bil (as you say crispy)crispy wrote:he only needed to take 12.45bil for it to be a profitable hit before calculating his losses. as long as he didn't lose 100k attackers and weapons i don't see how it isn't a profitable hit.
also, the current price of UU used for figuring losses is something that's agreed on by alliances, not the current prices on the GM.
38792 x (375K UU + 864k Weapons + 150k Supers) = 53,882,088,000 losses
61.85bil-53.88bil= 7.97bil
according to these calculations he did not make the required profit of 12.45
This is a response to crispy's post for the sake of discussion and has nothing to do with TMI and speed dispute, that is not my business.
doxakk- Aderan Farmer
- Age : 57
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Location : Cyprus
Registration date : 2009-09-18
Re: Farming policy
As acting 2ic of T.M.I. I have looked at this & find the following...
the hit is bad, the breakdown is as follows...
Stars got - 61,851,003,990
Stars needed - 12,393,645,000
Stars damage* - 53,882,088,000
Stars profit - 7,968,915,990
*= 375,000 (uu rate) + 150,000 (training) + 864,000 (weapons cost) = 1,389,000 * 38,792 (# of soldiers lost) = 53,882,088,000 (total loss in kuwal)
the hit is bad, the breakdown is as follows...
Stars got - 61,851,003,990
Stars needed - 12,393,645,000
Stars damage* - 53,882,088,000
Stars profit - 7,968,915,990
*= 375,000 (uu rate) + 150,000 (training) + 864,000 (weapons cost) = 1,389,000 * 38,792 (# of soldiers lost) = 53,882,088,000 (total loss in kuwal)
kingkongfan1- Coalition Officer
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Alliance : [The Marauder's Imperium]
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Location : Skull Island
Registration date : 2010-01-28
Re: Farming policy
I have brokered for my failure in calculations
stars- Aderan Miner
- Alliance : THE IMPERIUM EMPIRE
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Location : LOS ANGELES CALIFORNIA
Registration date : 2009-01-01
Re: Farming policy
doxakk wrote:Why 100k attackers crispy? Assuming 375k UU (I have no idea what it is for TMI) and profit 12.45bil (as you say crispy)crispy wrote:he only needed to take 12.45bil for it to be a profitable hit before calculating his losses. as long as he didn't lose 100k attackers and weapons i don't see how it isn't a profitable hit.
also, the current price of UU used for figuring losses is something that's agreed on by alliances, not the current prices on the GM.
38792 x (375K UU + 864k Weapons + 150k Supers) = 53,882,088,000 losses
61.85bil-53.88bil= 7.97bil
according to these calculations he did not make the required profit of 12.45
This is a response to crispy's post for the sake of discussion and has nothing to do with TMI and speed dispute, that is not my business.
my only question would be...how did he lose more weapons than supers?
and as for my amount of 100k, i was making a rough estimate, and didn't have time to actually calculate the total amount of losses he would have had to have to not make a profit. got interrupted midpost but didn't want to exit out lol
crispy- Aderan Soldier
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Re: Farming policy
crispy wrote:doxakk wrote:Why 100k attackers crispy? Assuming 375k UU (I have no idea what it is for TMI) and profit 12.45bil (as you say crispy)crispy wrote:he only needed to take 12.45bil for it to be a profitable hit before calculating his losses. as long as he didn't lose 100k attackers and weapons i don't see how it isn't a profitable hit.
also, the current price of UU used for figuring losses is something that's agreed on by alliances, not the current prices on the GM.
38792 x (375K UU + 864k Weapons + 150k Supers) = 53,882,088,000 losses
61.85bil-53.88bil= 7.97bil
according to these calculations he did not make the required profit of 12.45
This is a response to crispy's post for the sake of discussion and has nothing to do with TMI and speed dispute, that is not my business.
my only question would be...how did he lose more weapons than supers?
first, pardon my interrupting your discussion, but Doxakk is showing the "costs" as in training cost, (150,000) weapons cost, (864,000) & the uu cost, (375,000). stars did not lose more weapons than soldiers (btw AW doesn't have "supers" anymore) stars lost 38,792 weapons & 38,792 attack soldiers... hope this helps you to understand
and as for my amount of 100k, i was making a rough estimate, and didn't have time to actually calculate the total amount of losses he would have had to have to not make a profit. got interrupted midpost but didn't want to exit out lol
kingkongfan1- Coalition Officer
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Re: Farming policy
got the kuwal
now i can say that TMI is fair !
now i can say that TMI is fair !
^SPEED^- Aderan Worker
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Re: Farming policy
Thanks for the clarification kong, i need to stop speed reading and actually pay attention lol
crispy- Aderan Soldier
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Re: Farming policy
crispy wrote:Thanks for the clarification kong, i need to stop speed reading and actually pay attention lol
no problem, I had to re-read it several times to make sure that I was understanding what was being said.
kingkongfan1- Coalition Officer
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