Re: FIRE & The Imperium Breach Procedure

by seaborgium Mon May 31, 2010 11:35 am

Kenzu your missing the point....

That isn't what we hit for. That was for hits AGAINST TIE.

by ian Mon May 31, 2010 4:38 pm

Kenzu wrote:
Ishurue wrote:
ian wrote:I propose FIRE, WR & TIE agree to also contact each alliance-leader before conducting a massing under the 3rd-warning.

All alliances should agree to give serious consideration to accepting compensation for breaches on & after the 3rd breach instead of massing's, if:

1.) Compensation is offerred by the person who committed the 3rd breach
2.) If that person genuinely appears to be sorry for their breach
3.) If looking at the log's of the alliance its obvious that person has genuinely tried to follow the alliance's policy - and has simply accidentally made the breaches by mistake i.e. whether due to poor maths (miscalculating profit), due to underestimating losses or due to the strike fluctuating.

On the other hand - if the person blantantly hasn't attempted to follow the policy... then they should be massed - but the alliance-leader still should be contacted *before* a massing is done - and time given for the leader to respond back before the massing is carried out.

Views/ thoughts?

I think this is a good idea. but also add something about the diplomat or player who handles breeches to be friendly when talking to the farmer . mainly because a big alliance like TIE, Mujengan, World Republic, and New Federation .

We are big, we can scare new players who might think they are in serious trouble . so we all should be friendly when we talk to the farmers who make breeches .

No1 should take this as a sign of weakness. FIRE/WR know TIE is strong, TIE knows FIRE/WR are strong .
The server knows we are strong . Their is no need to remind people with too Harsh of warnings .

Sounds like a good idea.

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Ian, I shall ignore your previous post. Some of the views represented by you as my views are obviously a misrepresentation of what I have said. Please read more carefully what I write next time, and take into account not only what I said in 2 messages, but what I said before and also what you have done before

Besides, do you want to say that this was the first time you make a hit with such a small profit?
Let me remind you:

Here is TIE 5 tier farming policy:
1power to 200 million defence power: Minimum of 75million profit needed
200million power to 500million defence power: Minimum of 150million profit needed
500million power to 1billion defence power: Minimum of 300million profit needed
1billion defence to 2billion defence power: Minimum of 600million profit needed
2billion+ defence power: Minimum of 1.2billion profit needed.

Here are a couple attacks in which you broke your own farming policy, if it were to be applied on you:

against Truestrike:

[22 May] 14:51 ian 2,625,615,784 Kuwal Stolen 2754 602 4,942,153,269 2,427,428,256
Your losses: 1.743.282.000 +30 million (for turns)
Victims defense: 2,427,428,256
You made a profit of: 832 million
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 3.006.000.000

[14 May] 05:50 ian 1,674,340,774 Kuwal Stolen 1853 419 2,363,900,962 2,394,825,048
Your losses: 1.172.000.000 +30 million
Victims defense: over 2,394,825,048
You made a profit of: 471 million
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 1.939.567.000

Against Bengalari:
[14 May] 05:47 ian 1,508,784,480 Kuwal Stolen 1622 294 2,224,189,667 1,617,693,000
Your losses: 1622*(175.000+150.000+308.000)+30.000.000=1.056.726.000 loses
Victims defense: 1.617.000.000
You made a profit of: 452 million
Your policy states you need a profit of: 600 million
The damage you caused: 1.694.886.480

Against Black Antelope
[19 May] 11:34 ian 1,717,115,863 Kuwal Stolen 1943 493 2,168,191,386 2,235,367,862
Your losses: 1.229.000.000 +30 million
Victims defense: 2,235,367,862
You made a profit of: 458.000.000
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 2.029.069.000

against Mirage
[16 May] 18:24 ian 2,028,299,416 Kuwal Stolen 2229 432 2,065,653,651 2,918,479,200
Your losses: 1.410.957.000 +30 million
Victims defense: 2,918,479,200
You made a profit of: 587.000.000
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 2.301.755.416

Against me, Keinutnai:
[14 May] 14:15 ian 3,157,105,859 Kuwal Stolen 3278 510 1,880,859,865 5,569,796,358
Your losses: 2.074.980.000 +30 million
Victims defense: 5,569,796,358
You made a profit of: 1.052.000.000
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 3.479.935.859

against Jookaremo
[18 May] 05:30 ian 1,825,018,717 Kuwal Stolen 2503 300 1,642,410,000 2,571,129,000
Your losses: 1.584.399.000 +30 million
Victims defense: 2,571,129,000
You made a profit of: 241.000.000
Your policy states you need a profit of: 1.2 billion
The damage you caused: 2.014.000.000

against Kompur
[22 May] 14:53 ian 1,813,339,409 Kuwal Stolen 2716 520 3,584,179,991 1,761,302,083
Your losses: 1.719.000.000
Victims defense: 1,761,302,083
You made a profit of: 94.000.000
Your policy states you need a profit of: 600 million
The damage you caused: 2.142.000.000

UU = 175.000 kuwal
10 AT = 30.000.000 kuwal
(Even if you ignore the AT cost, you breach TIE farming policy in each of these attacks)

Your profit: 4.187.000.000 kuwal
Recent damage you caused while braking farming policies: 18.604.000.000 kuwal

Is that enough of a reminder?

PS: Let me also remind you of the recent over 40 sabotage attacks against 4 WR members, especially on kismet. You benefit a lot from these sabotages. Now what should I think about this whole issue?

A profits a profit. Nothing was wrong with those hits - they were all within World Republic's policy at the time... mainly because you never had a policy. You can't break something which doesn't exist. Its really that simple.

As for the recent 40 sabotage attacks against 4 WR members - its up to you what you think of that whole issue. You can suspect The Imperium if you like - but untill you have proof, those are merely unconfirmed suspicions, based on your personal opinion.

I would also point out World Republic being damaged benefits ALL alliances - not just The Imperium. If World Republic has 20billion kuwal's worth of its resources destroyed... that means TIE gains a 20billion benefit vs. WR - but it also means FIRE, Emperors, Pohida, Black Dragons etc... also gain a 20billion benefit vs. WR.

It could be anyone.

I would also point out that FIRE, WR and The Imperium going to war would benefit everyone else not involved in the war - since if 100billion worth of TIE resources are destroyed, 100billion of WR and 100billion of FIRE resources, it means everyone else is 100billion close to TIE, 100billion closer to WR and 100billion closer to FIRE as a result.

I m sure if there's a outside party wanting their alliance to gain a bit of a stronger position vs. the 3 main alliances, and those alliances had a tense co-existence which it wouldn't take much to turn into a war - then prevoking that war by doing an act such as sabbing, which one of the main power's will then accuse the other of being responsible for - would be a good way of closing the gap and strengtheing their position via inciting war.

So... again i ll reiterate it could be anyone. A lot of people have a lot to gain from WR being sabbed - and even more to gain if the consequences of that sabbing is WR, FIRE & TIE going to war.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because currently all our foreign policies deal with the other 2 main power's, that there are no other power's or alliances on the server capable of acting or thinking independently, or that they don't have their own set of objectives. There is - and you should never loose sight of the bigger picture. Not everything on Aderan War's revolves around The Imperium, FIRE or World Republic.....