Attack/Raid changes
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Nomad wrote:Ok Admin, I understand that, what my point was based on, is
defensive weapons only last a set number of hits
so an alliance could use multiple "farming" attacks at a decreased cost to effectively remove a defense through weapon failure
if that made sense.
that's how inactives are born, bless their hearts! zero def inactives that is.
Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
If i may be so bold as to suggest something -
If you want more wars and more massings instead if altering farming costs add a new function to alliances. So when an alliance declares war on another alliance all these reductions to repair costs and losses come into effect between the two alliances.
Let me explain my thinking- This reduced costs and losses will only apply for attack between opposing members. This will mean that it is cheaper to farm or mass the enemy alliance. Therefore this will lead to alliances declaring war on each other as it will be cheaper to steal each others resources
The reason i like this game so much is the ability to destroy someone completely, please dont take that away or make it too easy.
Implement my suggestion and i promise you The Commonwealth will make the game much more interesting
If you want more wars and more massings instead if altering farming costs add a new function to alliances. So when an alliance declares war on another alliance all these reductions to repair costs and losses come into effect between the two alliances.
Let me explain my thinking- This reduced costs and losses will only apply for attack between opposing members. This will mean that it is cheaper to farm or mass the enemy alliance. Therefore this will lead to alliances declaring war on each other as it will be cheaper to steal each others resources
The reason i like this game so much is the ability to destroy someone completely, please dont take that away or make it too easy.
Implement my suggestion and i promise you The Commonwealth will make the game much more interesting
Hai-Shulud- Aderan Miner
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
wanna maybe quantify the reductions?
cos so far we're only talking about making farming a bit cheaper, i think 10-15% decrease in repairs and maybe a bit lowering unit losses.
And personally I think it's ok with making such a change being affecting globally everyone
The declaring war thing might be good and probably even something along the lines of alliance A declares war and gains some boost, but if alliance B declares war back then both sides gain an even higher boost.
Now question is what boost? Simply make strike suffer less damage when attacking, making killing def's and everything else that much cheaper? or just drop at/st costs for all attacks between these two sides? or anything else?
But there needs to be some cost associated with it, otherwise alliances will use it even if they only want to mass just one person and neither alliance wishes for a full scale war.
cos so far we're only talking about making farming a bit cheaper, i think 10-15% decrease in repairs and maybe a bit lowering unit losses.
And personally I think it's ok with making such a change being affecting globally everyone
The declaring war thing might be good and probably even something along the lines of alliance A declares war and gains some boost, but if alliance B declares war back then both sides gain an even higher boost.
Now question is what boost? Simply make strike suffer less damage when attacking, making killing def's and everything else that much cheaper? or just drop at/st costs for all attacks between these two sides? or anything else?
But there needs to be some cost associated with it, otherwise alliances will use it even if they only want to mass just one person and neither alliance wishes for a full scale war.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
I have always wished relations were used for more then making farming lists.
And you are correct on your point admin
And you are correct on your point admin
Nomad- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
I say lower farm and raid costs by 25% (25% less losses and repairs for both attacker and defender)
I say you should farm/raid cheaper if you declare war on someone.
(If you declare war on someone, and they don't declare war on you, farming and raiding costs 50% less until the other one declares war on you too)
If that person declares war on you, then farm and raid should cost as before. (which should be 25% cheaper, instead of 50%)
To sum up:
neutral attacks neutral 75% repair costs and losses
war attacks neutral 50% repair costs and losses
neutral attacks war 75% repair costs and losses
war attacks war 75% repair costs and losses
therefore it will be better for the attacker to declare war before farming/raiding.
costs for assaulting and other attack shall remain untouched.
PS: maybe if you attack someone, the game should automatically have you declare war on your opponent. afterall you went to war with him. You can always set your stance back after the attack.
I say you should farm/raid cheaper if you declare war on someone.
(If you declare war on someone, and they don't declare war on you, farming and raiding costs 50% less until the other one declares war on you too)
If that person declares war on you, then farm and raid should cost as before. (which should be 25% cheaper, instead of 50%)
To sum up:
neutral attacks neutral 75% repair costs and losses
war attacks neutral 50% repair costs and losses
neutral attacks war 75% repair costs and losses
war attacks war 75% repair costs and losses
therefore it will be better for the attacker to declare war before farming/raiding.
costs for assaulting and other attack shall remain untouched.
PS: maybe if you attack someone, the game should automatically have you declare war on your opponent. afterall you went to war with him. You can always set your stance back after the attack.
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
in the above you need to factor in peace settings.
I dont see the need to mandated war settings, unless they change back on their own. It makes far to much work to keep a farming list.
Also the War vs War setting defeats the pourpose because if implemented I'll simply set war to every account on the server to negate their advantage
I dont see the need to mandated war settings, unless they change back on their own. It makes far to much work to keep a farming list.
Also the War vs War setting defeats the pourpose because if implemented I'll simply set war to every account on the server to negate their advantage
Nomad- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Released and now an Idea
was playing with the possibility of giving people the chance to simply make farmlists, you can see the list just like you can see a list of people you declared war on, but with the difference that they dont get that annoying "xxx set you to war" message.
Now comes the fun part.
Should Person A wish to declare actual war on Person B, then A will receive another 10% off repair costs and 10% off unit losses on farm attacks.
However, should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)
(In this one way war relation, B does not get the cheaper farming bonus, neither does A get the "kill more units with each hit" bonus)
Should person B decide to declare war back on A then both people will receive cheaper farming bonus. In addition to that B will kill units 30% faster than normal. Person A (the one who declared war first) will kill units 20% faster than normal.
Should either party declare peace or neutral during a two way war declaration then the other party will have their relation reset to neutral (obviously along with a message so they can set war again immediately should they wish to do so)
Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.
Standard rules apply. Numbers are just a pointer, system is to be commented upon.
was playing with the possibility of giving people the chance to simply make farmlists, you can see the list just like you can see a list of people you declared war on, but with the difference that they dont get that annoying "xxx set you to war" message.
Now comes the fun part.
Should Person A wish to declare actual war on Person B, then A will receive another 10% off repair costs and 10% off unit losses on farm attacks.
However, should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)
(In this one way war relation, B does not get the cheaper farming bonus, neither does A get the "kill more units with each hit" bonus)
Should person B decide to declare war back on A then both people will receive cheaper farming bonus. In addition to that B will kill units 30% faster than normal. Person A (the one who declared war first) will kill units 20% faster than normal.
Should either party declare peace or neutral during a two way war declaration then the other party will have their relation reset to neutral (obviously along with a message so they can set war again immediately should they wish to do so)
Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.
Standard rules apply. Numbers are just a pointer, system is to be commented upon.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
This is too complicated.
Should be more simple.
Disagree with the complicated differences
and
Disagree that my relation towards someone else changes without my consent.
I suggest the following:
A declares war on B
A farms 10% cheaper
B farms as before
A declares war on B
B declares war on A
A farms 10% more expensive
B farms 10% more expensive
Basically if you declare war on someone else, you can farm cheaper, but if both declare war on each other, both farm 10% more expensive. because the units are prepared that the other one will attack and fight harder.
This will lead to more war relations and keeping peace relations only with people you trust.
PS: But I prefer not to make any changes at all.
Should be more simple.
Disagree with the complicated differences
and
Disagree that my relation towards someone else changes without my consent.
I suggest the following:
A declares war on B
A farms 10% cheaper
B farms as before
A declares war on B
B declares war on A
A farms 10% more expensive
B farms 10% more expensive
Basically if you declare war on someone else, you can farm cheaper, but if both declare war on each other, both farm 10% more expensive. because the units are prepared that the other one will attack and fight harder.
This will lead to more war relations and keeping peace relations only with people you trust.
PS: But I prefer not to make any changes at all.
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Kenzu wrote:
A declares war on B
B declares war on A
A farms 10% more expensive
B farms 10% more expensive
So you're giving people a way to be farmed harder. A week ago you were advocating farm cost reductions, now you're giving cake to defenders, unwarranted cake to be exact.
Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
it's very simpleKenzu wrote:This is too complicated.
Should be more simple.
you declare war on someone
they can mass you for less kuwal
they declare war back, they can mass for even less kuwal, but so can you
doesn't get any simpler than that
Re: Attack/Raid changes
I like the overall concept but feel the % are WAY WAY to high.
Please keep in mind, it only takes what 14 or 15 hits to 0 weapons. Add another 30% to that and how much easier will it be?
Secondly, another point that should be instituted is after a set time, like 48hrs or 72hrs, or even 7 days, the below effect is removed
as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.
Please keep in mind, it only takes what 14 or 15 hits to 0 weapons. Add another 30% to that and how much easier will it be?
Secondly, another point that should be instituted is after a set time, like 48hrs or 72hrs, or even 7 days, the below effect is removed
should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)
as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.
Nomad- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Let's not make any changes to the farm costs based on relations AT ALL!
There are more important things to be coded first!
There are more important things to be coded first!
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Kenzu wrote:Let's not make any changes to the farm costs based on relations AT ALL!
There are more important things to be coded first!
Like what?
I am skeptical of cost changes as well, but I'll give Admin 100% of my backing because he has earned it through his diligence, consistancy, and the fact he listens, asks, and accepts suggestions. We owe him that. If this is the update he wants to do, then let him.
30% is still WAY WAY to high
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
you can remove the effect completely for both sides by simply changing relation from war to anything elseNomad wrote:as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
Admin wrote:you can remove the effect completely for both sides by simply changing relation from war to anything elseNomad wrote:as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.
ok, let me get this right
Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.
So I set war to you, and i cant change it for 48 hrs, giving you 48 hrs to strike back with the high % bonus, but after 48hrs I set you to peace or neutral and it negates the bonus. Correct?
another draw back would be losses from farming live accounts without setting war, but I'm ok with that personally.
Nomad- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
I say increase the amount of turns it costs, decrease repair prices,
this will make smaller players more protected,
huge players less protected,
as each attack will have a higher base value even against tiny defenses.
this will make smaller players more protected,
huge players less protected,
as each attack will have a higher base value even against tiny defenses.
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
Yup but then you also lose the cheaper farming bonusNomad wrote:
So I set war to you, and i cant change it for 48 hrs, giving you 48 hrs to strike back with the high % bonus, but after 48hrs I set you to peace or neutral and it negates the bonus. Correct?
well not declaring war simply means you lose out on a bonus that would make it cheaper for you to farm them, but should they retaliate then the war setting to them will make it a bit cheaper to mass youNomad wrote:another draw back would be losses from farming live accounts without setting war, but I'm ok with that personally.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
Admin wrote:Released and now an Idea
was playing with the possibility of giving people the chance to simply make farmlists, you can see the list just like you can see a list of people you declared war on, but with the difference that they dont get that annoying "xxx set you to war" message.
Now comes the fun part.
Should Person A wish to declare actual war on Person B, then A will receive another 10% off repair costs and 10% off unit losses on farm attacks.
However, should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)
(In this one way war relation, B does not get the cheaper farming bonus, neither does A get the "kill more units with each hit" bonus)
Should person B decide to declare war back on A then both people will receive cheaper farming bonus. In addition to that B will kill units 30% faster than normal. Person A (the one who declared war first) will kill units 20% faster than normal.
Should either party declare peace or neutral during a two way war declaration then the other party will have their relation reset to neutral (obviously along with a message so they can set war again immediately should they wish to do so)
Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.
Standard rules apply. Numbers are just a pointer, system is to be commented upon.
That's a very good system.
We should have a more complex system for relations, not just war/neutral/peace .... something like war/hostile/neutral/friendly/peace .... you can have farms on hostile, but maybe when you show people with hostile those with war should be seen too ..... or if something more complicated is wanted we can have a 7 step relation system ..... war/hostile/annoying/neutral/no idea/friendly/peace.
rflash- Aderan Miner
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
no that's too complicated, the best you can expect is that you can actually farmlist someone, showing up as separate category in relation lists
Re: Attack/Raid changes
Farmlists make sense, but why not consider a way to let the other player know and understand that you aren't declaring an actual "War" on their account? I've had quite a few people dislike my old declaration of war habits I've learned from Dune Wars, and Gate Wars.
Space2050- Aderan Farmer
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
hence the idea of the farmlist. the other person doesn't get a message from you putting them on your list.Space2050 wrote:Farmlists make sense, but why not consider a way to let the other player know and understand that you aren't declaring an actual "War" on their account? I've had quite a few people dislike my old declaration of war habits I've learned from Dune Wars, and Gate Wars.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
add an option "add to farm list"
it will not appear as declared war.
it will not appear as declared war.
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
farmlist? me want!
Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Re: Attack/Raid changes
why suggest something I suggested one page ago already?Kenzu wrote:add an option "add to farm list"
it will not appear as declared war.
Re: Attack/Raid changes
Admin wrote:why suggest something I suggested one page ago already?Kenzu wrote:add an option "add to farm list"
it will not appear as declared war.
becaue you have not suggested it in this form.
I would like to have a button there.
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