Castravete's accusations against me - and my evidence against illegal feeding when I gained 15 million UU through legal trades

I wanted to make this thread already in September, but only now I allocated time to do it.
The main point of the thread is to show that the 15,000,000 UU I gained in mid September that Castravete accused me of obtaining illegally (through cheating) was actually gained through legit gold trades. The evidence includes a screenshot of the relevant trades, and also you can ask the traders Lord Ishurue and Odracir yourself. They will confirm it really happened.

So here it is:

Castravete has accused me of many things. He called me a cheater and accused me of almost everything that a cheater could theoretically do in a browser game. I proved him wrong on everything that I can prove, but he just ignored it and came up with even more absurd things of what he thinks that I have done. He reported me to admin, admin checked, saw that I haven't cheated, and Castravete didn't trust him. He later even accused admin to aiding me, by giving me free resources and what not. Of course this was also not true.

Castravete made many accusations against me based on his impressions when he saw something on my account, which he believed could be caused only by cheating, while in all cases it was the result of legit playing. Unfortunately when so many accusations are thrown at someone, it can damage the reputation of a person even though he is innocent. And while it is impossible to prove that I am innocent in cases where there is no way to prove if someone is innocent or guilty (Such as the case of the accusation of me receiving resources from admin), I can prove that I am innocent in many other cases, which should finally make it clear to everyone that Castravete's accusations are based on false impressions and that I do not cheat.

1) Castravete accused me of illegal feeding, when my population jumped by 15 million in September. This increase was caused by me selling gold to 2 players, who agreed that I can disclose this information.
I sold 700 gold for 4,080,000 UU to Lord Ishurue (ID: 664)
and 2000 gold for 11,000,000 UU to Odracir (ID: 15777)

Castravete has asked me at least 10 times to give him my private broker logs and seemed extremely nervous when I didnt want to give them to him. Because he didn't only want the logs for the 15 million UU trades, he wanted logs for the whole month or even more. It was clear to me that he most likely made up this accusation only so that he can get his hands on the logs so that he knows how much support our members are providing and other information to help him and Mujengan in the war against us. Obviously I wouldn't give such sensitive information to him. I talked to Ishurue and Odracir and they both agreed that I can reveal them as my traders.

Here are the trades:
(There are many trades between me and Ishurue because initially it should be paid in a combination of turns and UU and later we agreed that everything will be paid in UU)



The trades clearly show that I got 15 million UU legally through a trade. It was not cheating.

I would also like to add that big increases in population can often be legit. They can come from a combination of raiding a couple million UU, withdrawing millions of UU from the galactic market, and receiving millions of UU from other people if your PTR is green, or if your PTR will return to green area in the long term (to reach -20% to +20%).

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I would also like to address some other accusations that Castravete has made against me, and explain that what he saw is completely normal.

2) Castravete accused me of cheating claiming that I was on protection for 7 days in a row.
When he made the claim I explained to him that during that week I have been on protection for only 4 days and I activated a couple 4 hour protections. Most likely 2 4-hour protections during a night to prevent farming. He must have checked on me 5 nights in a row, saw that I was always protected and assumed that I was protected 7 days non stop.

Additionally, there is no limit to 4 hour protections one can activate. Each person generates 16 MT per week, which can be converted to 4 MR. I played the game since 1.1.2009. Until the start of the war I gained up to 2920 MT, which could be converted to 730 MR, allowing 121 consecutive days of protection. Anyone can be on protection for 7 days in a raw, by activating 2 1-day protections, 1 2-day protection, and 18 4-hour protections, costing you a total of 25.5 MR. Anyone can achieve that by saving MR up for 2 months.

Therefore anyone who plays the game for at least 2 months can theoretically activate 7 days of protection.

3) He also accused me of playing 3 accounts (my account, Sara's account and the account of Black Lotus).

A claim he made was that just because when once he got massed by us and it was first me massing him and then Sara, that I must have used both accounts myself, and he completely ignored the fact that in that particular case it had to be done separately to save ST and increase efficiency. If I remember right, it was because either I had higher strike than Sara, thus I started massing and Sara finished him off to maximise efficiency, or I killed his def and Sara took out his assassins, thus it would make no sense for Sara to decrease her strike by assaulting and then us both not having high enough strike to kill maximum amount of assassins in hunt assassin missions.

Another reason why he thinks that I play both accounts was that because me and Sara usually bank at roughly the same time. I admit this might be very suspicious. And if it was 2 friends who are banking at the same time, it would look like one person playing both accounts or both people banking together. However me and Sara are not merely friends. She is my wife. We live in the same house, in the same room, wake up the same time, eat at the same time, sleep at the same time. We have an almost identical day, and when one remembers banking, then he/she tells the other to bank and we bank. I personally would be wondering if there is a couple who live together and play the same game, but dont bank the same time.

Also, after Black Lotus announced that he sells his account, and later joined WR to fight against Mujengan, Castravete immediately thought that I have bought his account and played it myself. However in reality I approached Black Lotus, told him that I could pay him 30$ for his account and at the same time told him that actually his account is worth much more than that, that I can't offer more for it, but would find it sad if gave up on his account that he worked on for years for a couple dollars. I suggested to him that before he sells his account he might want to have some last fun with his account and do some massing. Afterall he didn't participate in a war for probably 2 years already. He agreed and so he teamed up with us and regularly went on massing sprees with us. He even came on the forum and told Castravete/ or simply in public that he didn't sell his account yet and still plays it, but obviously Castravete didn't believe him.

So it's Castravete's word against ours.

This is all evidence I can think of right now. Point 4 shows claims that Castravete made without evidence, and I got no evidence to counter them, as it's practically impossible to obtain evidence for this.

4) Castravete made many more accusations, again based on his impressions that I have more resources than I should have had during a war, and also because he thought I was banking too often. He has no evidence whatsoever to prove that what he claims is true. I can of course not prove that I am innocent either, because it's simply impossible to prove things that never happened. It's similar like trying to prove that you didn't kill someone, when there is no evidence what you were doing on a certain day. So his other false accusations include accusing me of:
-creating resources out of nowhere
-getting resources from admin
-autobanking
-making and using a script for autobank or other things in the game (I don't even know how to make a script)
-having unlimited market reserves
-creating accounts to feed my own account

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I didn't make this thread to open up a discussion. This has been talked about for too long and I have no intentions of wasting much more time on this. The main point of this thread is to provide evidence where I got my 15,000,000 UU in September from, and that Castravete was wrong when he claimed that I gained the UU illegally.

You can decide yourself if you want to believe me or Castravete, but those 15 million were legit, same like all the other resources I have received.
I have never cheated in any multiplayer game, and Aderan Wars is no exception!

I feel that Smog created this myth roughly a year ago to distract Mujengan members from their own problems and to create a cause for them, because Mujengan was going downhill already a year ago, and I believe Mujengan was in what we call an identity crisis. Some Mujengan members were planning to leave the game for good. A couple Mujengan made their intention of leaving public, already months before they left. I believe that the myth that Smog managed to create and convince Mujengan leadership of, managed to create a hatred so strong that it allowed Mujengan to feel united in a cause that they feel is just. This cause made them stronger than ever, but it also blinded them. Castravete got blinded by Smog as well, and has taken the accusations to a new level. Filled with hate they have recuperated and prepared for the 2nd war to be a revenge for the result of the first war.

I am sure that Smog or other Mujengan will try to refute this statement, but this is my opinion, which was reaffirmed again and again by Mujengan behaviour.
It's very disgraceful of them to come up with this kind of trash talk, instead of simply fighting.

So you consider this a personal conflict?...Niiice. That's all you can?Now to reply the 4 chapters this useless post.

1) I asked you for the print screen 2 months ago. You post it today with some of the trades blackened? Do you want us to eat the soup with a fork...or what?Now the black spaces contain the feeding trades. So be a man and post the print screen the way it is so we can see how you really get feed. Ok?

2) Well, maybe I was wrong...but you did hide like a little girl in ppt for some many days;)...This to show you how you had the guts to bark about us when we hit ppt.

3) Yep, you do play on at least two accounts: the main one is Keinutnai and the second one is Sara. We all know it;)...Does anyother player has any doubts? Just ask me for some proof;)

4) Yep, your brother helps you a lot. The first proof: he knows how low you got and he should have banned you so many time on the game and also on the forum, but he didn't. He protects you and helps you because he just knows you can't do better as much as you try;)

As for me hidding in ppt: dude I was so busy these days I had to hit it...for two days I wasn't able to even to log in and I really had to hit it. That's when I also decided to raise some stats with the kwal stolen form yous nabs. But even if I was the one with the high def and some other Muj members had lower defs you decided to hit me:))...Now you have something personal against me and I really enjoy the fact that my words hurt your little shameless soul. Stop crying and try to stay on your both feet;)

Bottom line: YOU CHEAT LIKE AND YOU LIE LIKE A ROMANIAN POLITICIAN.

ABOVE THEM ALL YOUR BROTHER KNOWS IT AND HE HELPS YOU.

Maybe...at least my world full of ilussions has a truth seed. So put the full trade report or scram! Tell your smart to lock the post. I can't see it worth as long as you continue to lie and cheat. What you have posted here its just junk.

Kenzu,

Are you willing to discuss this further and answer some questions asked before but never answered?

keinutnai wrote:Besides legal feeding isn't cheating either.

Please define what legal feeding is. Where's the distinction between legal feeding and illegal feeding? Thanks

100 = 177,500 Pay 2000(gold) to receive 3,550,000 (uu)
That Odracirtrademark guy is either a noob and you took advantage of this in the most :quote:"If you have any questions on the game, or how to become more successful, ask me, I will help" or he is your multi, feeder or whatever you want to call it.

His name is jamrock, he definitely does not feed kenzu . He is my 2ic and he *was* a noob back in the day but now he is not.

26 Peace Jam_Rock
[✯Fedaykin#Domination] 65,280,100 Army size

Nobody else was selling gold at the time apparently. So I can vouch for him that this trade was completely legit(although one-sided)

5.5m UU/k gold is a bit high but it's not outrageous.

Special Agent 47 wrote:Kenzu,

Are you willing to discuss this further and answer some questions asked before but never answered?

dream on

I intend to give him the chance if he wants.

he still can if he wants

fivel wrote:

Special Agent 47 wrote:Kenzu,

Are you willing to discuss this further and answer some questions asked before but never answered?

dream on

this was just my thought

I bark about this for months now...I wonder your guys have been all this time?

Anyway he will come up with some crappy explination and above it all his brother will back him up just to shut us and he will insist in his unlimitied wisdom.

Special Agent 47 wrote:Kenzu,

Are you willing to discuss this further and answer some questions asked before but never answered?

Yes of course.

The only thing I don't want to do is repeating what I have said many times. Unanswered questions are fine.

So what do you want to ask?

Steveanaya wrote:

keinutnai wrote:Besides legal feeding isn't cheating either.

Please define what legal feeding is. Where's the distinction between legal feeding and illegal feeding? Thanks

Feeding is when one player sends resources to another player without getting the same value back.
So if you send me 1 billion kuwal, you are feeding me. If I send you 1 million UU and get 200 billion kuwal from you, then I am feeding you, because 1 million UU are now worth 399 billion kuwal.

Legal feeding is reasonable feeding, which doesn't increase the account value of a player too much.
Illegal feeding is feeding, which is deemed against the rules. Illegal feeding will eventually have the result that the player either be banned or fined for feeding.

PTR gives a good idea to players what feeding is legal and what is illegal.

All feeding where the sending and receiving accounts have green PTR is always legal. Each player is responsible to keep his own PTR green. PTR, which became red will be a problem, if you continue your feeding habits and keep worsening it. If your PTR is slightly beyonf the limit, but you stop feeding and your account grows in value, your PTR will improve.

Any feeding which doesn't result in bad PTR and feeding which keeps you in a good PTR (-20% to +20%) is legal, or if you had a red PTR and the feeding improves your PTR it is also legal feeding. So if you have 25% PTR and send someone resources this is legal feeding, because it will cause your PTR to decrease. You are also allowed to have a PTR slightly above the maximum, as long as it is temporary and eventually returns back to green. A PTR which is red won't get you banned immediately, if you decrease it within a reasonable time. But if you keep worsening it, your account will be banned, or some of your resources taken away from you as a fine.

You can ask admin for a more accurate explanation and also if your account if it is in danger or not.

Smog wrote:100 = 177,500 Pay 2000(gold) to receive 3,550,000 (uu)
That Odracirtrademark guy is either a noob and you took advantage of this in the most :quote:"If you have any questions on the game, or how to become more successful, ask me, I will help" or he is your multi, feeder or whatever you want to call it.

100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU. Never was.
If you convert 100 gold to 177,500 UU, then it's your own fault.

Odracir knew at that time already more about the value of gold than you, because he knew that gold is worth more than what the game offers for it. But you don't. Maybe you even convert your gold at the spend gold page, when you could easily get 2 times more for it from a gold buyer, or almost 4 times more UU if you bought AT from a gold buyer and then raided yourself

100 gold gives you currently up to 312,500 UU through spend gold page without raiding and without looking for a gold buyer:
177,500 UU = 177,500 * 398,084 = 70,659,910,000 kuwal
100 gold gives you 500 AT
500 AT = 500*206,832,192 = 103,416,096,000 kuwal

It's better to get 500 AT and then add a bid to sell it for UU
500 * 625 = 312,500 UU

So for 100 gold you can easily get 312,500 UU without raiding.
(If you raid, you easily get 450,000 UU)

However people pay much more resources to buy gold, including gold traders like me and steveanaya.

You could easily get 750 AT for 100 gold from a gold trader, raid and have 675,000 UU per 100 gold.

You can say thank you, my advice saved you tons of money!




For example at the time of the trades with Ishurue and Odracir market prices were as follows:
1 UU = slightly below 375,000
1 AT = 210,000,000

Game gives you 500 AT per 100 gold.
I bought gold at 750 AT per 100 gold (or same value in other resources)
I sold gold at 1000 AT per 100 gold.

I bought thousands of gold at a price of 750 AT per 100 gold, and I also sold thousands of gold at about 1000 AT per 100 gold.

Now do your math

Lord Ishurue
700 gold = 7 x 1000 AT = 7000 AT
7000 AT *210,000,000 /375,000 = 3,920,000 UU

Odracir
2000 gold = 20 x 1000 AT = 20,000 AT
20,000 AT *210,000,000 /375,000 =11,200,000

These numbers are very close to the prices I traded at. And these prices were market prices at that time.
I don't need gold. I only trade it for profit.
A gold trader will buy your gold below market prices in order to sell them at market prices.
The difference is my profit margin.

Okay so someone sending me 1m UU just as a joke but I accept it and keep the UU, this is legal feeding because it's helping my Ptr and didn't really affect his.

But I recently sold 4k gold for $$ and that brought someone's Ptr to 115%. This made both of our ptr's worse. Mine went 1% more in the red, his went 115%. This is illegal feeding? How much time does he have to correct it before he is punished? What if he wants to buy more gold for $$ in the future? This is why Ptr makes the game more complicated...

Edit: shhhh keinutnai, don't give away our secrets!

Keinutnai wrote:You can ask admin for a more accurate explanation and also if your account if it is in danger or not.

How about having him drop in here and hear the explanation directly from the one that set up the rules?
Let him explain the rules, preferably in a concise manner.
The way you explained it just now doesn't really say much about when it's illegal feeding, I have the feeling there is more to it than "deemed against the rules" and the running red scenario.
Incidentally, how temporary is temporary?

Unless this is all set up in a separate topic that I'm unaware of, in that case just point me in the right direction.

Gamniac wrote:

Keinutnai wrote:You can ask admin for a more accurate explanation and also if your account if it is in danger or not.

How about having him drop in here and hear the explanation directly from the one that set up the rules?
Let him explain the rules, preferably in a concise manner.
The way you explained it just now doesn't really say much about when it's illegal feeding, I have the feeling there is more to it than "deemed against the rules" and the running red scenario.
Incidentally, how temporary is temporary?

Unless this is all set up in a separate topic that I'm unaware of, in that case just point me in the right direction.

let me toss out a bit o info I have, I have stated this before in a separate thread but I will state it a gain here... when I took over this acct about a year ago it had a PTR of 48%. I took over this acct for two reasons, it had permanent SS, & I had been assured that the acct would not get banned due to the PTR as long as I worked to lower it back into the "green", I have worked hard this past year to reduce the PTR by both "growing" this acct & "giving" away massive amounts of resources, the current PTR on this acct is 39.49%. needless to say I have done no trading in the past year.

@keinutnai/kenzu- Either you are boldly lying, have made an honest mistake, or just do not know what you are talking about when you say...

Keinutnai wrote:
100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU. Never was.

you need to check this-
http://www.aderanwars.com/gold_spend.php

cause if what you say is true then I am confused because it clearly states that 100 gold equals 177,500 UU.

100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU

This is because you could sell it to gold buyers for much more.

So kenzu's stating an opinion that is very much correct. It's not a fact, because some can say gold is only worth 177,500 , but you'd have to be pretty dumb/desperate to sell it for this much when you could get much more out of your gold. So I'm with kenzu here.

Steveanaya wrote:100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU

This is because you could sell it to gold buyers for much more.

So kenzu's stating an opinion that is very much correct. It's not a fact, because some can say gold is only worth 177,500 , but you'd have to be pretty dumb/desperate to sell it for this much when you could get much more out of your gold. So I'm with kenzu here.

check the page again then come back here & tell me what it says. I care not for opinions just facts.
call me DUMB/DESPERATE all you want, I have NEVER done any trading with anyone I consider an enemy & NEVER will.

@Gamniac- this might be helpful, maybe not Idk...

Admin wrote:

Nimras wrote:You should see the programs you destroyed and how much it proves you don't care about your players.

we have already proven that alliance programs can still go on
so stop making things up that aren't there, i think that discussion was 2-3 pages back.
Spam section is up higher

units training fixed
transfer ratios have a tooltip. if something is not fully clear from that let me know and i'll edit the tooltip.
I'm sure it did, because in the database it says it did update.
If you click on the transfer ratio link, then there you only see transfers between you and your commander, i changed the text there somewhat to reflect the new

for the officer ratio, you have as much time as I decide that it was enough and send everyone who's in the red a message saying they should get it fixed.

For the personal ratio, well see the updates page for how long you have.
Just like there is no set boundary how far you can go without a punishment, there is no set "speed" for you to correct the ratio.
The rules are simple:
If you're in the green, you're safe, no matter what.
If you're in the red and I dont like what you've been doing with it and you keep ignoring my warnings, you'll get punished.

I found the above in...
https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/t1816p90-trade-balance-system

If you want to check out the whole thing.

Steveanaya wrote:Okay so someone sending me 1m UU just as a joke but I accept it and keep the UU, this is legal feeding because it's helping my Ptr and didn't really affect his.

But I recently sold 4k gold for $$ and that brought someone's Ptr to 115%. This made both of our ptr's worse. Mine went 1% more in the red, his went 115%. This is illegal feeding? How much time does he have to correct it before he is punished? What if he wants to buy more gold for $$ in the future? This is why Ptr makes the game more complicated...

Edit: shhhh keinutnai, don't give away our secrets!

For most accuracy ask admin, I can only tell you what I think it will be treated as. A new account can get into red PTR even if you give them very small amount of resources. A fresh account has an account value of only a couple billion. 4k gold changes PTR as 20k AT, which is a lot. And while I don't think admin will mind if a player receives say 2000 gold from some other player, which he then uses to get SS, I don't know how he will react if a player gets 4k and has PTR of 100%. It's better to ask admin in advance if he won't mind to prevent any risk. In any case you should tell that player that he better not make more of such trades until his PTR is fine.

I personally think that the player in this case will not get into trouble as long as he works on improving it by increasing his account value and not being fed anymore. But if he continues with the feeding, he will definitely be banned. What he did was illegal feeding and his PTR is extremely bad. He should have bought much less gold. 4k gold gives his account a huge advantage considering his account size. Regarding you, it depends on your PTR. I think admin will tolerate if your PTR worsened from say 21% to 22%. But he won't be ok, if it was say 40% and changed to 41%.

A player should try not to feed or be fed more than 20% of his account value. Anything which exceeds the limit can get you banned, so if you want to go a little over the limit, better ask admin what is acceptable. If you don't ask and worsen it too much, you will have to live with the consequences.

Gamniac wrote:

Keinutnai wrote:You can ask admin for a more accurate explanation and also if your account if it is in danger or not.

How about having him drop in here and hear the explanation directly from the one that set up the rules?
Let him explain the rules, preferably in a concise manner.
The way you explained it just now doesn't really say much about when it's illegal feeding, I have the feeling there is more to it than "deemed against the rules" and the running red scenario.
Incidentally, how temporary is temporary?

Unless this is all set up in a separate topic that I'm unaware of, in that case just point me in the right direction.

Admin talked about this a lot already. Maybe this topic will help:
https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/t2234-ptr

Feeding in moderation helps the game, as players can help each other, pool their resources in war and engage in interactions.
However extreme feeding will make certain accounts much stronger than they should be, far beyond the strength that they have built themselves. This is an unfair advantage and harms the game.
The 20% is a line that admin drew so that everyone knows what is allowed. A little bit more than 20% is still acceptable for him, but if it is considerably above, then it is not acceptable and considered illegal feeding.

How temporary is temporary?
It has to be reasonable time. Ask admin for better specification or read the PTR thread.

EDIT: I think the quote by admin that kingkongfan1 requoted here, summarises it pretty well:

For the personal ratio, well see the updates page for how long you have.
Just like there is no set boundary how far you can go without a punishment, there is no set "speed" for you to correct the ratio.
The rules are simple:
If you're in the green, you're safe, no matter what.
If you're in the red and I dont like what you've been doing with it and you keep ignoring my warnings, you'll get punished.

@kingkongfan1
Your situation, starting with 48% and dropping it to 39.5% is a perfect example of a person who started with a horrible PTR but was playing right and his PTR improved. In fact even if you kept receiving 2 billion for each 10 billion account value you generate, your PTR would still be improving, albeit not as much.

Now regarding this statement: "100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU. Never was."

The spend gold page shows you how many resources the game gives you for 100 gold. It doesn't show you the market price. And the market price is what people are willing to pay you for it.
What matters isn't some number that the game says, what matters is how much UU you can actually get for 100 gold.
And for most people it is a number far beyond the 177,500. And I even showed you that even if you dont trade with anyone, you can make much more out of it, if you for example get AT and raid, or get AT and sell it to a friend at market prices (if you want to make sure you dont trade it with your enemies).

kingkongfan1 wrote:call me DUMB/DESPERATE all you want, I have NEVER done any trading with anyone I consider an enemy & NEVER will.

Wasn't calling YOU dumb/desperate perse. Don't be so quick to be offended by my post. Afaik, you and I are neutral, so there shouldn't be a reason why you wouldn't sell your gold at a higher price to me. -unless you consider me an enemy, which would be very odd.

So next time you consider spending your gold at the spend gold page, which I regularly check, just shoot me a broker and we will both be happy . At 2.5mUU/1k gold it will actually help fix your Ptr as well as mine.

@kenzu- I didn't know cash trades were only reserved for those who could afford to have it barely affect their Ptr(I.e. Big players) regardless, I will advise him to grow. Thanks for the input

Keinutnai wrote:
@kingkongfan1
Your situation, starting with 48% and dropping it to 39.5% is a perfect example of a person who started with a horrible PTR but was playing right and his PTR improved. In fact even if you kept receiving 2 billion for each 10 billion account value you generate, your PTR would still be improving, albeit not as much.

Now regarding this statement: "100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU. Never was."

The spend gold page shows you how many resources the game gives you for 100 gold. It doesn't show you the market price. And the market price is what people are willing to pay you for it.
What matters isn't some number that the game says, what matters is how much UU you can actually get for 100 gold.
And for most people it is a number far beyond the 177,500. And I even showed you that even if you dont trade with anyone, you can make much more out of it, if you for example get AT and raid, or get AT and sell it to a friend at market prices (if you want to make sure you dont trade it with your enemies).

I'm sorry, I thought I was making a point about your statement being wrong, not about what gold sells for on the market, or what some other player is willing to pay for it. your statement was "100 gold is not worth 177,500 UU. Never was." & this statement is utterly false. on the page I pointed out, 100 gold IS INDEED worth 177,500 UU. are you saying that I am wrong with this fact.

besides in every trade you describe above my (already bad) PTR takes another blow, (did I mention not being able to trade for over a year yet?)

anyway, the point is this, you need to be more careful with the information you post.

@kingkongfan1
"(did I mention not being able to trade for over a year yet?)"

I dont think admin has forbidden you to trade. I dont think he will have a problem if you make normal trades at reasonable prices.

Steveanaya wrote:

kingkongfan1 wrote:call me DUMB/DESPERATE all you want, I have NEVER done any trading with anyone I consider an enemy & NEVER will.

Wasn't calling YOU dumb/desperate perse. Don't be so quick to be offended by my post. Afaik, you and I are neutral, so there shouldn't be a reason why you wouldn't sell your gold at a higher price to me. -unless you consider me an enemy, which would be very odd.

So next time you consider spending your gold at the spend gold page, which I regularly check, just shoot me a broker and we will both be happy . At 2.5mUU/1k gold it will actually help fix your Ptr as well as mine.

@kenzu- I didn't know cash trades were only reserved for those who could afford to have it barely affect their Ptr(I.e. Big players) regardless, I will advise him to grow. Thanks for the input

You serious? You should give him at least 3 or 4 million UU per 1k gold. 2.5 million is nothing.

Hey, dudes... I think this little fellow tries to take this discution in another direction, so stop playing his game. The main object of this post was the misery he posted and called print screen with the trade history...so cut the crap and get to the point, you little warrior you.

2.5m allows his Ptr to get back in the green slightly and allows my Ptr to do so as well. It's legal feeding, according to you, and it's not a cruddy price either. It's 150% of what he would normally get (buying UU) and helps his Ptr go down. Mate if I bought gold for 4mUU/k, I wouldn't be able to sell to certain ppl at 4mUU/k ^.^

@castravete

I agree this thread has Gone way off topic.

@kenzu

Can we move all this offtopic stuff to a separate thread?