Re: The Crusade of Vengeance

by ian Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:41 pm

What ploy did Mujengan do before?

Thanks

by Special Agent 47 Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:42 pm

Sara wrote:I agree with everything world republic agrees with, and if I don't agree with some policy, I will come and tell you all.

VIS will take responsbility for its members actions.

I rest my case.

by Nimras Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:56 pm

ian wrote:What ploy did Mujengan do before?

Thanks

Long story Lurant thought he was leader and spoke on behalf of Muj sadly he was not Muj where still lead by Ish, Vaga and Smog and well it gave some issues short version lol.

by seaborgium Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:57 pm

Yeah Lurant thought was the leader, and spoke to us, and less then 24 hours later smog and vaga declared war. Then the rest of Muj followed.

by Mystake Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:27 pm

thats crazy.

i just realized something, WR's offer was for us to rebuild so that they could try to mass us again, under the pretext of going to war?

srsly? how about we get to finish you off while you hafta sit there and watch us do it, or you pay us a tribute.

by Beldar Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:15 am

Smog told me he is really busy with RL atm (he hits me every day but lately his hits get worse) so I think you might wait for him for a lil bit till he posts anything on this forums guys...

But then again, it is just a couple of words' post isn't it?
Since TM is not at war with Muj we can all wait on this one I guess...
And speaking for myself solely, I do not see why we should go to peace now, got massed twice (and not just me) and the timing is nice to get some of my blood back. Smile

by seaborgium Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:23 am

That is true, we aren't in the war with muj.
still a few things that need discussed.

by seaborgium Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:17 am

TM will be ending its battle at 8am Gametime, as long as WR and VIS also do the same.

by Steveanaya Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:21 am

Wait what?

by Kenzu Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:58 am

Yes I confirm it. All arms against Marauders will be laid down at 8am gametime as well. That's in a couple of hours.

This means that WR and Sara will be fighting TIE only.

by seaborgium Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:11 am

I am sure that the war with Muj and TIE isn't over. As I said on msn, as long as WR and VIS pull out of the war. So the current war has to be over before TIE and WR + Sara starts.

by Kenzu Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:53 am

As far as I know ian said that Imperium has no interest to continue the war with Mujengan anymore, and ghyogod seems to be fine with Mujengan withdrawing from the war if TM withdraws from the war, and TIE ends their war with Mujengan.

All these conditions seem to be fulfilled, the only thing that is required will be some sort of official post or information passed from Imperium and Mujengan that they end their war with each other.

by curumo Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:09 pm

Kenzu if I'm not wrong what Sea is saying is the following:

TM will pull out of the war if WR and VIS pull out too - which means that TIE and Muj can finish this war uninterrupted and WR and VIS can have a stand-off at a later point. Or did I misunderstood things?

by Nimras Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:12 pm

Kenzu wrote:As far as I know ian said that Imperium has no interest to continue the war with Mujengan anymore, and ghyogod seems to be fine with Mujengan withdrawing from the war if TM withdraws from the war, and TIE ends their war with Mujengan.

All these conditions seem to be fulfilled, the only thing that is required will be some sort of official post or information passed from Imperium and Mujengan that they end their war with each other.

Well if both TIE and Muj declare war is over and therefore its WR + Sara vs TIE then we still withdraw from war at 8am GAMETIME.

by curumo Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:19 pm

The war's not over yet. Muj want out cause they can't continue on their own and WR and Sara would have a LOT easier work against us without any outside interference. This is still being discussed by TIE leadership and we will come back with an answer within 12 hours or so of my post.

by Special Agent 47 Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:30 pm

I am confused. I was under the impression there would be a 3 week period of rebuilding and resource gathering before TIE and WR square off and go toe to toe?

Going from present state will not be a very good gauge due to present account expenditures and present state of account disrepair.

But as long as WR and TIE both agree to what ever you guys decide then I wish you both luck. I will be watching with great anticipation.

by Nimras Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:32 pm

curumo wrote:The war's not over yet. Muj want out cause they can't continue on their own and WR and Sara would have a LOT easier work against us without any outside interference. This is still being discussed by TIE leadership and we will come back with an answer within 12 hours or so of my post.

Well if this is true then WR and Sara has to leave in 3 hours time and waite for Muj plus TIE is over and then TIE, WR and Sara could start again if you like.

I need to talk to TM about this.

by seaborgium Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:32 pm

Kenzu does WR and VIS agree to stop at 8am gametime untill TIE decides to end things with Muj?

by seaborgium Mon Mar 07, 2011 12:52 pm

Now since this is going to be over soon(I think). I would like to post items that I had talked with kenzu about, and ones I knew I had missed but couldn't find.

A. Take responsibility for their members actions, Most parties have agreed to this.
The only thing left on this front is to set a time frame, mainly so that people don't leave do the deeds then rejoin the alliance.
TM is thinking that 10 days is roughly a decent time. I await others(leaders) post about this item.
Obviously this doesn't include vendettas.

B. Now the item of TOC. As it is seen ingame, TOC looks and mostly acts like an empire. If it is not an empire then please remove TOC from the name. If it is then please list the Leader, 2ic, and diplomat for it.

by ian Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:22 pm

I agree with both points Sea raised - information on who to contact in TOC is crucial, as is a time-period for a alliance to be responsible (10 days sounds about right).

Regarding Mujengan, WR & VIS - and TIE's stance on them, I ll simply copy my PM I sent Kenzu mid-afternoon yesterday:

Hey Buddy.

The Imperium will be prepared to have peace as soon as yourself, Sara, Doxak and Rampage have been massed.

The reason for that is simple: Almost everyone in TOC who have participated in hits on TIE have been massed either by ourselves or The Marauders. Its basically just you 4 left and one or 2 others.

Once you guys have been massed - given you 4 have been active in massing us, we d be happy to call it quits.

So I don't forsee this war lasting much longer to be honest assuming you don't want it to.

I m proposing (once the above has been completed):

- ALL Alliances agree to be responsible for their members actions.
- ALL Alliances agree to respect one another's farming policy.
- ALL Alliances agree that the following are hostile actions and deemed unacceptable:

Sabbing
Assassinating
Assaults
Invasions
Hunt-Assassins.
Farming hits done in violation of a farming policy.

Sound reasonable?

I believe Kenzu didn't have a problem with this & said it sounded reasonable.

However myself & the TIE HC will meet on msn later on today and discuss the above and finalize our position.

Its possible we might just decide further blood-shed is unnecessary and stop the war today.... given we entered the war with the primary objective of retaliating to Mujengan for the attacks on Stars and making them accept responsibility for their members actions... both of which have been achieved (assuming ghyogod is in a position to speak for Mujengan - something we need confirming before we can have peace with Mujengan).

Other than that... everything we ve done against WR/VIS has merely been retaliation to them intervening in this war against us.

Either way, TIE will get back to everyone tonight after having a chat.

Thanks

by Kenzu Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:08 pm

curumo wrote:Kenzu if I'm not wrong what Sea is saying is the following:

TM will pull out of the war if WR and VIS pull out too - which means that TIE and Muj can finish this war uninterrupted and WR and VIS can have a stand-off at a later point. Or did I misunderstood things?

Yes, you misunderstand.
When I talked to ian it appeared he has no interest in fighting Mujengan anymore. This means that you can sign a peace treaty with them now.
WR and Sara will keep on fighting Imperium. If you want to end the war, just pm me.

curumo, ian, get on MSN and talk to Farcas. Have you not talked to him yet? I thought you would organise everything with him while this thing with TM was going on. I see farcas on most of the day, but not you two.

by ian Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:52 pm

The Imperium is prepared to sign a peace treaty with Mujengan under the following conditions:

Alliances take responsibility for members who have been in their alliance longer than 7 days, and for ex-members who have left their alliance within the last 7 days.

- Both alliances agree to respect one another's farming policies and provide compensation should a breach occur
- Both alliances agree to compensate for hostile actions conducted by their members. Hostile Actions defined as:

Sabbing
Assassinating
Assaults
Invasions
Hunt-Assassins.
Farming hits done in violation of a farming policy.

Mujengan also agree's, due to personal Issues between Castravate & The Imperium, that should Castravate rejoin their ranks The Imperium will be free to continue war operations against him for a period of 2 weeks without repercussions... and if he doesn't join their ranks, it will remain none of their concern.

by ghyogod Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:05 pm

ian wrote:The Imperium is prepared to sign a peace treaty with Mujengan under the following conditions:

Alliances take responsibility for members who have been in their alliance longer than 7 days, and for ex-members who have left their alliance within the last 7 days.

- Both alliances agree to respect one another's farming policies and provide compensation should a breach occur
- Both alliances agree to compensate for hostile actions conducted by their members. Hostile Actions defined as:

Sabbing
Assassinating
Assaults
Invasions
Hunt-Assassins.
Farming hits done in violation of a farming policy.

Mujengan also agree's, due to personal Issues between Castravate & The Imperium, that should Castravate rejoin their ranks The Imperium will be free to continue war operations against him for a period of 2 weeks without repercussions... and if he doesn't join their ranks, it will remain none of their concern.

Mujengan accepts these terms.

We would also like to express our appology for the situation created by our former member robert who did his own war leading to this mess. now we have changed our resolution and situations like this must be avoided.

Weapons at sleep. End of Crusade.

by ian Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:06 pm

ghyogod wrote:
ian wrote:The Imperium is prepared to sign a peace treaty with Mujengan under the following conditions:

Alliances take responsibility for members who have been in their alliance longer than 7 days, and for ex-members who have left their alliance within the last 7 days.

- Both alliances agree to respect one another's farming policies and provide compensation should a breach occur
- Both alliances agree to compensate for hostile actions conducted by their members. Hostile Actions defined as:

Sabbing
Assassinating
Assaults
Invasions
Hunt-Assassins.
Farming hits done in violation of a farming policy.

Mujengan also agree's, due to personal Issues between Castravate & The Imperium, that should Castravate rejoin their ranks The Imperium will be free to continue war operations against him for a period of 2 weeks without repercussions... and if he doesn't join their ranks, it will remain none of their concern.

Mujengan accepts these terms.

We would also like to express our appology for the situation created by our former member robert who did his own war leading to this mess. now we have changed our resolution and situations like this must be avoided.

Weapons at sleep. End of Crusade.

Indeed. It was a good war. Well fought Mujengan Smile

by ian Mon Mar 07, 2011 11:09 pm

The Imperium would hereby like to invite World Republic and VIS to sign the below peace treaty also:

Alliances take responsibility for members who have been in their alliance longer than 7 days, and for ex-members who have left their alliance within the last 7 days.

- Both alliances agree to respect one another's farming policies and provide compensation should a breach occur
- Both alliances agree to compensate for hostile actions conducted by their members. Hostile Actions defined as:

Sabbing
Assassinating
Assaults
Invasions
Hunt-Assassins.
Farming hits done in violation of a farming policy.

World Republic & VIS also agree's, due to personal Issues between Castravate & The Imperium, that should Castravate rejoin their ranks The Imperium will be free to continue war operations against him for a period of 2 weeks without repercussions... and if he doesn't join their ranks, it will remain none of their concern.

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If you can catch myself or Curumo on msn tonight (assuming your happy with the above) then we can end this war tonight if both of us can PM our alliances to make them aware.

Otherwise... propose a time to end it with enough time for myself/someone in TIE to come online and PM the alliance to let them know when hostilities end.

If you disagree... pm me or catch on msn.

Thanks

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