IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
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Alex
Kenzu
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Do you support this update?
IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
I propose the following update:
It will be possible for smaller players to hit much bigger players for kuwal, if the big players keep too much kuwal in the open.
The formula:
Kuwal stolen % = (STRIKE/DEFENSE) x (STRIKE/DEFENSE)
or simply
Kuwal stolen % = (STRIKE^2)/(DEFENSE^2)
This is how it would work:
Strike = 100
Defense = 100
100% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 90
Defense = 100
81% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 75
Defense = 100
56.25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 66.67
Defense = 100
44.44% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 50
Defense = 100
25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 33.33
Defense = 100
11.11% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 25
Defense = 100
6.25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 10
Defense = 100
0.01% kuwal in the open is stolen
Example:
One guy has 400 million strike
and there is a guy who has 600 million defense, but he has 1.200.000.000 kuwal out
Even though my strike is small I can attack him and I would steal 375.000.000 kuwal, which leaves me with nice profit.
or
There is a guy with 3 billion defense and 10.000.000.000 kuwal out.
A guy who has 1.5 billion strike has now the possibility to hit him and steal 25% (2.500.000.000 kuwal)
(a decent profit if you ask me)
Farming this guy would be profitable for anyone who would have at least 1 billion strike
What I definitely don't want is having some lucky roulete going on where there is a chance that I steal kuwal or not.
I want to have the job done in 1 single hit and also have the rules simple and straightforward for all new players to understand.
It will be possible for smaller players to hit much bigger players for kuwal, if the big players keep too much kuwal in the open.
The formula:
Kuwal stolen % = (STRIKE/DEFENSE) x (STRIKE/DEFENSE)
or simply
Kuwal stolen % = (STRIKE^2)/(DEFENSE^2)
This is how it would work:
Strike = 100
Defense = 100
100% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 90
Defense = 100
81% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 75
Defense = 100
56.25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 66.67
Defense = 100
44.44% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 50
Defense = 100
25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 33.33
Defense = 100
11.11% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 25
Defense = 100
6.25% kuwal in the open is stolen
Strike = 10
Defense = 100
0.01% kuwal in the open is stolen
Example:
One guy has 400 million strike
and there is a guy who has 600 million defense, but he has 1.200.000.000 kuwal out
Even though my strike is small I can attack him and I would steal 375.000.000 kuwal, which leaves me with nice profit.
or
There is a guy with 3 billion defense and 10.000.000.000 kuwal out.
A guy who has 1.5 billion strike has now the possibility to hit him and steal 25% (2.500.000.000 kuwal)
(a decent profit if you ask me)
Farming this guy would be profitable for anyone who would have at least 1 billion strike
What I definitely don't want is having some lucky roulete going on where there is a chance that I steal kuwal or not.
I want to have the job done in 1 single hit and also have the rules simple and straightforward for all new players to understand.
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Registration date : 2008-12-03
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
I do not support any update which means a person with a lower strike then my defence can farm me. What then is the point of a defence? If they want to take my kuwal they should have to build a strike that is bigger then my defence.
JMO
-Alex
JMO
-Alex
Alex- Coalition Officer
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Registration date : 2009-10-21
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Agreed with Alex who for some reason hasn't voted in the poll.
Sandwalker- Aderan Super Soldier
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Registration date : 2009-01-11
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Thanks for that I read the post before voting then got distracted by typing a reply.
-Alex
-Alex
Alex- Coalition Officer
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Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
I do not support any update which means a person with a lower strike then my defence can farm me.[/quote]
So just cos I build a 10 bil def and the top strike is 8 bil, then I dont have to worry about getting farmed anytime soon cos said person will not bother upping their strike by 25% just to be able to hit one more person?
The logic is flawed
And before I answer the second question, please repeat about what kenzu said about kuwal stolen when strike is lower than def
So just cos I build a 10 bil def and the top strike is 8 bil, then I dont have to worry about getting farmed anytime soon cos said person will not bother upping their strike by 25% just to be able to hit one more person?
The logic is flawed
The point of a defense is to keep your kuwal safe.Alex wrote:What then is the point of a defence? If they want to take my kuwal they should have to build a strike that is bigger then my defence.
And before I answer the second question, please repeat about what kenzu said about kuwal stolen when strike is lower than def
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Admin wrote:So just cos I build a 10 bil def and the top strike is 8 bil, then I dont have to worry about getting farmed anytime soon cos said person will not bother upping their strike by 25% just to be able to hit one more person?
The logic is flawed
I 100% think that the person with 10b defence in that situation should be 100% safe.
The person built the defence to be safe from everyone, not 'just cos'.
If 1 person decides to build a huge def and doesn't get farmed it's not going to break the game. If alot of people build bigger defences to not get farmed the farmers will increase their strikes and the game wont be broken.
And yet with this update the kuwal wouldn't be safe, even from those players with a significantly lower strike compared to your defence.Admin wrote:The point of a defense is to keep your kuwal safe.
-Alex
Alex- Coalition Officer
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Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
This one i like... har har
Nigatsu_Aka- Aderan Assassin
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Registration date : 2009-01-19
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Of course it would be safeAlex wrote:And yet with this update the kuwal wouldn't be safe, even from those players with a significantly lower strike compared to your defence.
-Alex
I think you still dont get how it works.
Say defender has 1 mil defenders, and 10 bil kuwal out.
Attacker A has 100k attackers.
Attacker B has 1 mil attackers.
Please say how many attackers A will lose and how much he will steal and tell me the same information for B.
- Spoiler:
- After you got your answer ready please justify how you could get to the conclusion that stealing 10 times less kuwal while suffering the same losses as B makes it viable for attacker A to attack said defender unless that person has not banked for a significant amount of time.
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Alex wrote:I do not support any update which means a person with a lower strike then my defence can farm me. What then is the point of a defence? If they want to take my kuwal they should have to build a strike that is bigger then my defence.
JMO
-Alex
The more defense you have, the more kuwal you need to have out in order to be farmed.
Because the more defense you have, the higher repair costs will be and the less the attacker can take
Alex wrote:Admin wrote:So just cos I build a 10 bil def and the top strike is 8 bil, then I dont have to worry about getting farmed anytime soon cos said person will not bother upping their strike by 25% just to be able to hit one more person?
The logic is flawed
I 100% think that the person with 10b defence in that situation should be 100% safe.
The person built the defence to be safe from everyone, not 'just cos'.
If 1 person decides to build a huge def and doesn't get farmed it's not going to break the game. If alot of people build bigger defences to not get farmed the farmers will increase their strikes and the game wont be broken.And yet with this update the kuwal wouldn't be safe, even from those players with a significantly lower strike compared to your defence.Admin wrote:The point of a defense is to keep your kuwal safe.
-Alex
The person with 10 billion defense will STILL remain 100% safe if he has up to 9 billion defense, since the repair costs would prevent anyone from attacking him.
But if the guy has 20 billion kuwal out, he deserves to be farmed because he didnt increase the defense to a proper level.
To keep the game fair, the whole idea of those who have rank 1 defense being invincible must be revised.
This isn't a MMORPG from 90s, this game must remain innovative.
The situation doesn't change at all to for anyone who doesn't have a defense bigger thank rank 1 strike, who has a proper defense and banks in time.
He would
Kenzu- Alliance Leader
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Registration date : 2008-12-03
Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
Kenzu wrote:To keep the game fair, the whole idea of those who have rank 1 defense being invincible must be revised.
This isn't a MMORPG from 90s, this game must remain innovative.
If the rank 1 strike > rank 1 defence then the rank 1 defence isn't invincibe.
I personally believe that if you have a defence higher then a strike that strike shouldn't be able to take any kuwal. That is just my opinion.
-Alex
Alex- Coalition Officer
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Re: IF Strike < Defense THEN gain a fraction of kuwal
This is a bad idea in my opinion - all this would do is stop people building a defence and build a ridiculously high covert instead so no one can see how much they have out. Personally if this was implemented id scrap building a defence and just concentrate on a medium strike with plenty of tech points to reduce losses and a very high covert. Just my 2 pounds...
Hai-Shulud- Aderan Miner
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Number of posts : 226
Registration date : 2009-07-24
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