And this one is for cheating,MATE;)

lol, if you think that you got sabbed at a good ratio you should see remaaa's logs

I destroyed weapons worth over 58 bil / sabb at the cost of only 15k spies (it's true that he have been assassinated first at a very very good rate, wasnt me cause i'm not responsible for assassin actiones)

EDIT: About the 5 Tril upgrade, if you ever expect to go to war it's worth it

Gamniac wrote:Now I know this is the way of the game, but I just can't help but notice how TMI and Mujengan seem to be co-operating with one another, or possibly bonded in mutual hatred.
Might as well call it an Empire and be done with it.

Some ppl were a little upset the war ended.
Some ppl still had things to finish.
Muj offered a few ppl took it.


@kenzu hahaha

*delcares war on SA Wall of Text.*

My most important reason for going along with this war: boredom
Besides, the game is called Aderan Wars. I gotta get my fix!

this is the dumbest and most idiotic reason to start/join a war: BORDEM!?!?!?!??...If you are bored go look for a real challenge and try not to mix real reason with idiotic bordem reasons;)

castravete wrote:this is the dumbest and most idiotic reason to start/join a war: BORDEM!?!?!?!??...If you are bored go look for a real challenge and try not to mix real reason with idiotic bordem reasons;)

His reason isn't dumb at all. It makes perfect sense that if you are bored with a game you might consider to get some action with a war.

Better to fight out of boredom than out of hate. It less likely to end up ugly.

nice massing, i'm not gonna go through the logs, but seeing my war experience (exp gain by killing attack soldiers and assassins) you guys massed me at a ratio under 1 (losing around 5.7 mil atack + assassins and killing around 5 mil)
maybe in the future you will do better

fivel wrote:nice massing, i'm not gonna go through the logs, but seeing my war experience (exp gain by killing attack soldiers and assassins) you guys massed me at a ratio under 1 (losing around 5.7 mil atack + assassins and killing around 5 mil)
maybe in the future you will do better

You are mistaken. While in assaults the ratio was close to 1, all other missions were done at a very good rate, at an average of around 2:1 in WR favor.
hunt assassins, assassinating spies and attack soldiers and also invasion missions were done at a very good rate.

Mujengan losses : WR losses

1st hunt assassin mission:
47,017 Assassins : 7,763 attackers with MA
19,747,140,000 : 8,127,861,000
2.42 : 1 ratio

1st assassination of covert:
65,166 spies : 22,500 assassins
2.9 : 1 ratio

last assassination of covert:
27,479 spies : 18,375 assassins
1.5 : 1 ratio

1st assassination of strike:
34,059 attack soldiers : 18,375 assassins
17,880,975,000 : 7,717,500,000
2.3 : 1 ratio

1st invasion:
3,100 Workers and 4,100 Miners and 53 defenders with MA : 639 attackers with Tanks and MA
2,819,741,000 : 600,660,000
4.7 : 1 ratio

You lost about 4.8 million units and we lost considerably less than you. And I am sad that all top ranked members except Merida were on protection. 5/11 Mujengan members were on protection including smog, castravete, vaga, navblue and coming. There were not many choices left. Sure taking down 82 billion defense was fun, but taking down 135 or 150 billion would have been even more fun.

If you want a good estimate of how much we lost. Then take the value of defense you lost, add about 40% of the value of spies and assassins you lost plus 25% of the value of the workers and miners you lost.

Good luck in the war!

400mil of war exp gained in this mass make me think your facts are not that accurate, i mean if you make: 400 000 000 / 70 (an average between attack super and assassins exp) you get something more than what you had just said, but i may be mistaken, i'm not going to go through all logs

Just dropping a line to say I'm on holiday, so this war will have to do without me for a while.
Cheerio and see you in August.

fivel wrote:400mil of war exp gained in this mass make me think your facts are not that accurate, i mean if you make: 400 000 000 / 70 (an average between attack super and assassins exp) you get something more than what you had just said, but i may be mistaken, i'm not going to go through all logs

So you thought we lost 5.7 million assassins only because you gained 400,000,000 war experience?
400,000,000 / 70 = 5,700,000
Except that we were not asaulting you with spies but with attack soldiers.

In terms of numbers we lost actually below 3 million units killing 5 million Mujengan units. Ratio wise 1:1 in assaults, 4:1 in invasions and 2:1 in all other missions.

Dont forget killing soldiers gives experience as does destroying weapons too.
One killed attack soldier with mobile artillery gives 184.4 war experience.
One assassin/spy 70.
400,000,000 war exp is worth 2,169,197 attack soldiers with mobile artilleries.

War Experience calculation:
We both lost about 2 million attack soldiers with mobile artilleries (but actually only 1 million died, the other 1 million will heal).
So destroying your defense cost us about 1 million soldiers and 2 million MA.
Thats 80,000,000 for soldiers + 208,800,000 for weapons.
Leaves 111,200,000 for attackers and weapons we lost killing your assassins, workers and miners, and also on the assassins we lost to kill your spies and strike units.
To kill about 1,400,000 million of your assassins we lost about 280,000 attack soldiers with MA + about 6,000 for invasion missions.
286,000 * 184.4 = 52,738,400
111,200,000 - 52,738,400 = 58,461,600
You are left with 58,461,600 war experience that you gained by killing our spies:
58,461,600 / 70 = 835,465
We lost less assassins than that. So either we lost more attack soldiers, or you gained less than 400,000,000 war experience.

Only 58,461,600/400,000,000 of war experience could have come from assassins. That's only 15%. The lionshare came from killing attack soldiers and weapons.

We lost around 2.3 million attack soldiers with MA and 835k assassins
We killed around 2 million defense soldiers with MA, 300k attack soldiers, 1.4-1.6 million spies, 1.4 million assassins and 70k workers and miners.
That's the closest numbers I can give. If anyone wants more accurate numbers, you can ask fivel if he wants to go over all missions and add all numbers up.

We also massed Sajidrh, but didnt wipe out everything like with fivel. This also influences our alliance experience. That's why it can't be taken from there and we use estimates on fivels mass.

i figured out the war exp gained by weapons before your post, but i didnt had time to edit my post
war exp gained from the massing was little over 400mil and your calcs are accurate enaugh so nice job

fivel wrote:i figured out the war exp gained by weapons before your post, but i didnt had time to edit my post
war exp gained from the massing was little over 400mil and your calcs are accurate enaugh so nice job

Thanks! It was interesting you had the war exp number. nice going!

Another victim: codex
Stats
Strike Action: 14,539,107,640
Defensive Action 37,354,751,382
Covert Action 9,030,493,296
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424
After mass
Strike Action: 6,939,046,090
Defensive Action 3,494,243,815
Covert Action 8,270,554,248
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424

This is how assault must be done:
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 70423 17535 12,841,945,758 91,703,994,886 details
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 75851 22074 15,675,950,532 90,152,033,932 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 81696 22377 15,890,958,598 91,395,824,184 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 87993 24342 18,007,152,591 96,613,295,415 details

We massed Sajidrh two times. Once yesterday and once today.
Sajidrh lost 14,309,134 units
His population dropped from 22,750,084 to 8,440,950

WR losses were only a tiny fraction of that due to efficient sabbing, assassinating, assaulting, assassin hunting and most of all: invading.
In all our missions today we had an exceptionally good kill:death ratio, even in assaulting.

I believe we achieved a ratio of 5:1.

In invasion missions the ratio must have been somewhere around 30:1 or even 50:1
After 75 invasions he was still losing 88 times more units than the attacker. Losing 38,853 units and 147 soldiers and killing only 442 soldiers.

Yesterday he lost 412,522 defense soldiers
Today he lost 13,896,612 units. We wiped out everything except farmers. Try to beat this number by massing a single player! I myself lost only a fraction of this when Mujengan came to me. It wont be easy to kill that much from a single player on a single day.


Before:
Sajidrh
1,342,271 attackers
2,526,434 defenders (includes 90,297 units he trained inbetween masses)
3,001,192 spies
2,106,239 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
4,000,000 workers
5,773,948 miners

After:
485,660 attackers
8,784 defenders
478,301 spies
379,039 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
2,030,978 workers
1,058,188 miners

Military Stats:

Before:
Strike Action: 42,703,554,880
Defensive Action: 75,182,080,425
Covert Action: 40,209,970,416
Assassin Action: 24,432,372,400

After:
Strike Action: 15,046,112,480
Defensive Action: 80,938,704
Covert Action: 6,408,276,798
Assasin Action: 4,396,852,400

vaga wrote:Another victim: codex
Stats
Strike Action: 14,539,107,640
Defensive Action 37,354,751,382
Covert Action 9,030,493,296
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424
After mass
Strike Action: 6,939,046,090
Defensive Action 3,494,243,815
Covert Action 8,270,554,248
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424

This is how assault must be done:
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 70423 17535 12,841,945,758 91,703,994,886 details
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 75851 22074 15,675,950,532 90,152,033,932 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 81696 22377 15,890,958,598 91,395,824,184 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 87993 24342 18,007,152,591 96,613,295,415 details

Well done vaga, but don't think you are the only one who can do that.

[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 75220 30139 27,153,789,802 25,237,709,452 details
[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 80394 30923 28,838,480,563 28,242,001,944 details
[22 Jul] 04:40 Sajidrh 82958 32867 30,310,813,559 29,175,140,280 details

I think i am

Keinutnai wrote:We massed Sajidrh two times. Once yesterday and once today.
Sajidrh lost 14,309,134 units
His population dropped from 22,750,084 to 8,440,950

WR losses were only a tiny fraction of that due to efficient sabbing, assassinating, assaulting, assassin hunting and most of all: invading.
In all our missions today we had an exceptionally good kill:death ratio, even in assaulting.

I believe we achieved a ratio of 5:1.

In invasion missions the ratio must have been somewhere around 30:1 or even 50:1
After 75 invasions he was still losing 88 times more units than the attacker. Losing 38,853 units and 147 soldiers and killing only 442 soldiers.

Yesterday he lost 412,522 defense soldiers
Today he lost 13,896,612 units. We wiped out everything except farmers. Try to beat this number by massing a single player! I myself lost only a fraction of this when Mujengan came to me. It wont be easy to kill that much from a single player on a single day.


Before:
Sajidrh
1,342,271 attackers
2,526,434 defenders (includes 90,297 units he trained inbetween masses)
3,001,192 spies
2,106,239 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
4,000,000 workers
5,773,948 miners

After:
485,660 attackers
8,784 defenders
478,301 spies
379,039 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
2,030,978 workers
1,058,188 miners

Military Stats:

Before:
Strike Action: 42,703,554,880
Defensive Action: 75,182,080,425
Covert Action: 40,209,970,416
Assassin Action: 24,432,372,400

After:
Strike Action: 15,046,112,480
Defensive Action: 80,938,704
Covert Action: 6,408,276,798
Assasin Action: 4,396,852,400

vaga wrote:Another victim: codex
Stats
Strike Action: 14,539,107,640
Defensive Action 37,354,751,382
Covert Action 9,030,493,296
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424
After mass
Strike Action: 6,939,046,090
Defensive Action 3,494,243,815
Covert Action 8,270,554,248
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424

This is how assault must be done:
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 70423 17535 12,841,945,758 91,703,994,886 details
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 75851 22074 15,675,950,532 90,152,033,932 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 81696 22377 15,890,958,598 91,395,824,184 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 87993 24342 18,007,152,591 96,613,295,415 details

Well done vaga, but don't think you are the only one who can do that.

[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 75220 30139 27,153,789,802 25,237,709,452 details
[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 80394 30923 28,838,480,563 28,242,001,944 details
[22 Jul] 04:40 Sajidrh 82958 32867 30,310,813,559 29,175,140,280 details

dude, that guy basicly massed himself, so stop taking credit for something you didnt do, you massed a new guy for this game, with no knowledge what so ever who tried to mass someone by himself and got screwed in the process

so, when you will mass one of the big accounts(something you havent done in this war or the war before this) you can come here and tell it to the world, but stop bragging about a mass on a newb cause your single victory yet was on me, and that was not that easy and it was because i was to tired to start my PC and go on critical

fivel wrote:

Keinutnai wrote:We massed Sajidrh two times. Once yesterday and once today.
Sajidrh lost 14,309,134 units
His population dropped from 22,750,084 to 8,440,950

WR losses were only a tiny fraction of that due to efficient sabbing, assassinating, assaulting, assassin hunting and most of all: invading.
In all our missions today we had an exceptionally good kill:death ratio, even in assaulting.

I believe we achieved a ratio of 5:1.

In invasion missions the ratio must have been somewhere around 30:1 or even 50:1
After 75 invasions he was still losing 88 times more units than the attacker. Losing 38,853 units and 147 soldiers and killing only 442 soldiers.

Yesterday he lost 412,522 defense soldiers
Today he lost 13,896,612 units. We wiped out everything except farmers. Try to beat this number by massing a single player! I myself lost only a fraction of this when Mujengan came to me. It wont be easy to kill that much from a single player on a single day.


Before:
Sajidrh
1,342,271 attackers
2,526,434 defenders (includes 90,297 units he trained inbetween masses)
3,001,192 spies
2,106,239 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
4,000,000 workers
5,773,948 miners

After:
485,660 attackers
8,784 defenders
478,301 spies
379,039 assassins
4,000,000 farmers
2,030,978 workers
1,058,188 miners

Military Stats:

Before:
Strike Action: 42,703,554,880
Defensive Action: 75,182,080,425
Covert Action: 40,209,970,416
Assassin Action: 24,432,372,400

After:
Strike Action: 15,046,112,480
Defensive Action: 80,938,704
Covert Action: 6,408,276,798
Assasin Action: 4,396,852,400

vaga wrote:Another victim: codex
Stats
Strike Action: 14,539,107,640
Defensive Action 37,354,751,382
Covert Action 9,030,493,296
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424
After mass
Strike Action: 6,939,046,090
Defensive Action 3,494,243,815
Covert Action 8,270,554,248
Assasin Action 2,720,141,424

This is how assault must be done:
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 70423 17535 12,841,945,758 91,703,994,886 details
[22 Jul] 12:51 codex 75851 22074 15,675,950,532 90,152,033,932 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 81696 22377 15,890,958,598 91,395,824,184 details
[22 Jul] 12:50 codex 87993 24342 18,007,152,591 96,613,295,415 details

Well done vaga, but don't think you are the only one who can do that.

[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 75220 30139 27,153,789,802 25,237,709,452 details
[22 Jul] 04:41 Sajidrh 80394 30923 28,838,480,563 28,242,001,944 details
[22 Jul] 04:40 Sajidrh 82958 32867 30,310,813,559 29,175,140,280 details

dude, that guy basicly massed himself, so stop taking credit for something you didnt do, you massed a new guy for this game, with no knowledge what so ever who tried to mass someone by himself and got screwed in the process

so, when you will mass one of the big accounts(something you havent done in this war or the war before this) you can come here and tell it to the world, but stop bragging about a mass on a newb cause your single victory yet was on me, and that was not that easy and it was because i was to tired to start my PC and go on critical

Interesting you tell this to me, when I make a similar post like vaga. How come you don't say the same thing to vaga who is bragging about massing codex who clearly was a new player and had a weak covert? Hypocrisy?

I post war results. Just like Mujengan does. If you get offended and consider it bragging, you need to calm down and chill out.

You say Sajidrh massed himself, well that's not true. You could say he killed 2.2 million spies himself. But the other 12 million units would not get killed, if we weren't prepared and didn't take take the opportunity, that he created for us. But why did he do it? Did you think about that? He didn't do it because he had nothing better to do. He did it because he wanted revenge for the attacks we did on him and because Mujengan didn't teach him how to sab. And we know that sometimes it's better to mass someone only partially, because they will be driven by emotions and will want revenge at any price, and often people will mass and lose much more than what they kill. It's called strategy!

We massed him a bit, encouraging him to waste protections and to increase the chances that he will strike back without thinking.
He lost 2.2 million spies in his failed sab, but he failed only because I went critical.
If we did nothing, he wouldn't have even attempted to sab. And if we didn't counterattack, his losses wouldn't have been 14 million, but only 2.7.
This didn't happen only because he didn't know how to sab, it happened because of many things: He didn't know how to sab, he trained many workers and miners, we used a certain strategy on him, we were prepared and grasped the opportunity as soon as it showed itself.
One doesn't loose 14 million just like that. Many factors have to come together.

I wonder if anyone has ever told him that he should untrain his workers and miners.

You are probably upset that I didnt mention his failed sab, but look back to page 1 of this thread. I didn't like that vaga was not mentioning his sabs on me, and making it look like my soldiers are weak, but why didn't you say anything to vaga? You are criticizing me when I dont mention a failed sab, but you don't criticize your alliance mate when he behaves the same.

Todays massing:
Sajidrh lost another 721,664 units.

2 out of 11 Mujengan have been fully massed.
9 to go.

VAGA is braging about ALL of his MASS, that is why i dont tell him nothing, he said about the results of your massing, sara's and idk what big memeber do you have, while you DID NOTHING AGAINST OUR STRONGEST MEMBERS

do you see my point? i think you dont cause you are a little hard headed


(if someone is insulted i apologize, i drunk a few glasses of wine so... )

fivel wrote:VAGA is braging about ALL of his MASS, that is why i dont tell him nothing, he said about the results of your massing, sara's and idk what big memeber do you have, while you DID NOTHING AGAINST OUR STRONGEST MEMBERS

do you see my point? i think you dont cause you are a little hard headed


(if someone is insulted i apologize, i drunk a few glasses of wine so... )

1)
All your strongest members (smog, vaga, castravete, navblue, coming) were hiding on protection when my strike 125 bill strike was ready. It's impossible to mass someone who is on protection. But you are their strongest sabber, and we massed your 82 billion defense and we massed Sajidrh's 75 billion. If they didn't hide, the strike would have been used on them.
So what's your point?

2)
Vaga didn't mass himself. Mujengan almost never mass themselves. They usually mass together.
Assaults against codex have been done by vaga and coming, and sabotage was probably done by castravete, because we haven't taken him out yet, and he has 2nd best spies after you (fivel).

I for example have been sabbed by you (fivel), and massed by another 4 Mujengan members: Smog, vaga, coming, Zy-fy.
And vaga was "bragging" as you call it.

i guess your last massing was done by hate?

cause you did a very bad ratio on it, or you will come to say again that you massed at a ratio of 2:1 in WR favor? ))

Zeragog Stats
Strike Action: 12,326,004,850
Defensive Action 19,465,891,415
Covert Action 35,838,720,000
Assasin Action 22,176,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 12,326,004,850
Defensive Action 2,993,108,198
Covert Action 19,506,540,960
Assasin Action 8,015,832,000

Notpc stats
Strike Action: 10,700,629,770
Defensive Action 17,784,642,370
Covert Action 29,232,000,000
Assasin Action 25,056,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 10,700,629,770
Defensive Action 2,706,487,669
Covert Action 15,499,326,080
Assasin Action 3,856,257,600


Twvlsman
Strike Action: 7,026,782,360
Defensive Action 19,782,116,920
Covert Action 15,080,000,000
Assasin Action 9,280,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 13,906,733,370
Defensive Action 3,365,641,516
Covert Action 15,080,000,000
Assasin Action 6,149,948,800


slambot#4
Strike Action: 15,465,920,400
Defensive Action 17,335,151,737
Covert Action 16,165,529,856
Assasin Action 12,334,129,200
After mass
Strike Action: 15,465,920,400
Defensive Action 2,974,083,465
Covert Action 16,165,529,856
Assasin Action 7,339,540,400

vaga wrote:Zeragog Stats
Strike Action: 12,326,004,850
Defensive Action 19,465,891,415
Covert Action 35,838,720,000
Assasin Action 22,176,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 12,326,004,850
Defensive Action 2,993,108,198
Covert Action 19,506,540,960
Assasin Action 8,015,832,000

Notpc stats
Strike Action: 10,700,629,770
Defensive Action 17,784,642,370
Covert Action 29,232,000,000
Assasin Action 25,056,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 10,700,629,770
Defensive Action 2,706,487,669
Covert Action 15,499,326,080
Assasin Action 3,856,257,600


Twvlsman
Strike Action: 7,026,782,360
Defensive Action 19,782,116,920
Covert Action 15,080,000,000
Assasin Action 9,280,000,000
After mass
Strike Action: 13,906,733,370
Defensive Action 3,365,641,516
Covert Action 15,080,000,000
Assasin Action 6,149,948,800


slambot#4
Strike Action: 15,465,920,400
Defensive Action 17,335,151,737
Covert Action 16,165,529,856
Assasin Action 12,334,129,200
After mass
Strike Action: 15,465,920,400
Defensive Action 2,974,083,465
Covert Action 16,165,529,856
Assasin Action 7,339,540,400

@fivel
The cumulative defense of these 4 was 74,367,802,442 and you dropped it by 62,328,481,594 to 12,039,320,848.

Total action was 285,049,518,878 and you dropped it by 128,997,933,944 to 128,997,933,944.

btw, fivel, you said we massed weak members, but when we massed Sajidrh, he lost 155,000,000,000 power. More than all 4 WR members, who Mujengan massed today. And even you yourself had 175 billion before mass, and lost almost all of it, I estimate you lost around 140,000,000,000 power, more than all 4 WR members lost.

Even if we look at defense we will see the same thing. Mujengan destroyed 62 billion defense today, but we destroyed 75 billion yesterday, and 82 billion day before yesterday (160 billion in total).

Looks like we didn't mass weak members afterall. We massed strong ones. And we massed them hard.

What I want to say with this is that you shouldn't play our achievements down. Don't try to make us look like we mass only weak members, when you saw that we took down strong accounts and know that we can take down any account, no matter how strong. Or you think that Mujengan's strongest will be left untouched?

You massed them hard????? muhahahaha
Sound's like porn.
Btw theese members where massed before and we finished what we started.
World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 1,764,577,927,624
Mujengan Smog 2,612,218,985,811

Muj and wr had almost the same power at the start of the war.

vaga wrote:You massed them hard????? muhahahaha
Sound's like porn.
Btw theese members where massed before and we finished what we started.
World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 1,764,577,927,624
Mujengan Smog 2,612,218,985,811

Muj and wr had almost the same power at the start of the war. Stop eating crap kenzu

I didn't talk to you.

Alliance ranks on Wed 18 Jul 2012

Rankings Alliance Ranking Ranking By Relation
Rank Name Leader Power War Experience Size
1 AW_Retirement_center KingKongFan1 6,733,884,078,645 68,371,718,220 19
2 World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 2,685,301,465,715 69,082,421,428 58
3 Mujengan Smog 3,244,064,178,929 47,218,426,585 12

We had 559 billion less power than Mujengan at the start of the war and were still recovering from the war that ended only a month ago, while you had full banks when you started the war.

Your argument that we had almost equal power is invalid and your statement wrong.

You are not very mature if you have to make such insults. You shouldn't be visiting the forums if you can't control yourself.

Keinutnai wrote:

vaga wrote:You massed them hard????? muhahahaha
Sound's like porn.
Btw theese members where massed before and we finished what we started.
World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 1,764,577,927,624
Mujengan Smog 2,612,218,985,811

Muj and wr had almost the same power at the start of the war. Stop eating crap kenzu

I didn't talk to you.

Alliance ranks on Wed 18 Jul 2012

Rankings Alliance Ranking Ranking By Relation
Rank Name Leader Power War Experience Size
1 AW_Retirement_center KingKongFan1 6,733,884,078,645 68,371,718,220 19
2 World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 2,685,301,465,715 69,082,421,428 58
3 Mujengan Smog 3,244,064,178,929 47,218,426,585 12

We had 559 billion less power than Mujengan at the start of the war and were still recovering from the war that ended only a month ago, while you had full banks when you started the war.

Your argument that we had almost equal power is invalid and your statement wrong.

You are not very mature if you have to make such insults. You shouldn't be visiting the forums if you can't control yourself.

24 Jul
2 World_Republic_(TOC) Keinutnai 1,710,874,207,887 74,121,578,241 57
3 Mujengan Smog 2,597,177,318,168 53,838,025,503 11

that makes your war exp growth: 5,039,156,813
and muj: 6,619,598,918

and we need to take into consideration YOUR BIGGEST mass (like you said), the one on Sajidrh (i know almost all muj members in RL but i dont know this guy), a mass about you forgot to mention that before you did it this guy killed his entire covert, leaving you a FREE mass