Re: Mujengan Vs. The Imperium

by curumo Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:46 pm

Castra Stars may have a big mouth - but then again most of us here do. And I can't tell you why older players follow Ian but I CAN tell you why I do it. It's because he's a friend of mine and a good player and a good person.

He's just a ruthless leader and a political manipulator. And you blame him because he's better at it than you guys. All he does, really, is just be more diplomatically apt and he uses this to his and TIEs advantage. Isn't that something a good leader in a WAR game is supposed to be like? I mean you can't just fight wars with guns, now can you?

EDIT: Luc you perv!! Lol Nimras that could be truly your pornstar name :DDDD

by Sandwalker Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:53 pm

castravete wrote:I don't really realise why experienced players like Dune still follow Ian

I play aderan wars only out of inertia really. I'm not that committed to the game. Plus, it is very slow going.

When I came back for a little bank&raid, I had two choices alliance wise, TM and TIE, they were made up of former alliance mates from TIE. Ian answered faster than Sea and that's why I came back to TIE.
I've been with them for a long time, no point changing that now.

As far as Ian is concerned, I've never followed him. In AW we worked together for the benefit of our alliance. When we disagreed, we disagreed. We had a SHC for making fast or orientation related decisions and we used [still do] polls when it came to wars and such. If it had ever felt like a dictatorship, I would have left.

Also, I think we have a good 2 years of fighting each other under our belt. Not on AW, obviously.

by Nimras Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:56 pm

castravete wrote:nimras...dude!!!!...FFS are we playing and talking about/and the same game!?....for real...are we?...about the pm's...duuuuuuuude.....duuuuude shupt up!!!!...please shut up!...my first pm sent to you was posted on the forum...the second one was:sent to seaborgium so shut up...pls!...pls stop lying to my face, I may be a bad student when it comes to english, but please, dude...why are you lying like this?...do you get any advantages?

M8 we are talking about the same game and btw I stay in char for this game on forums everyone could tell you that.

And yes you have been in 3 wars where i have been in the war and all 3 you left the alliance.

And even if 1 of them was because of RL issues which i can respect but 3 times i have my doubts.

The first PM you send me was posted on the FORUM m8 that post was a big INSULT post with swear words meaning if you bothered to read what i posted before:

Nimras wrote:1. I have never done something like that with a PM unless the person do not ask me to keep it as such a PM.

Offcourse i just now see a typo unless the person ASK me clearly to keep it private or at least the content really shows it should be private.

Your post was not of such content it was bad mannered and full of shit.

Now if you cared to respond with honor and stuff like that you would have seen a different approach.

Anyway I haven't LIED to your FACE m8 get your facts straight and read my post damn it.

Mystake wrote:I love you Nimrod.

Lol do not start it here damn it, its a insult in the language of Quenya and Sindarin :p

Mystake wrote:^I affectionately say that as a reference to you and SGW forums

Yes i know I know Razz

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But GW is a corrupt forum anyway i mean come on.

curumo wrote:Castra Stars may have a big mouth - but then again most of us here do. And I can't tell you why older players follow Ian but I CAN tell you why I do it. It's because he's a friend of mine and a good player and a good person.

He's just a ruthless leader and a political manipulator. And you blame him because he's better at it than you guys. All he does, really, is just be more diplomatically apt and he uses this to his and TIEs advantage. Isn't that something a good leader in a WAR game is supposed to be like? I mean you can't just fight wars with guns, now can you?

EDIT: Luc you perv!! Lol Nimras that could be truly your pornstar name :DDDD

If you are a old timer on GW you would know why he used that insulting word Wink

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by Keinutnai Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:57 pm

I have a question on smog.

Ian said that he told you that he will repay the compensation within 36 hours. Why did you declare war on TIE?

The way I see it is that while in the last war TIE was wrong to start a war against Mujengan, in this war Mujengan is wrong for starting a war against TIE.
In both cases there was not enough negotiation and Stubborn leadership.

castravete wrote:ok ok...hold your horses because we all know you guys just bark a lot but you don't play the game fair...

anyway to wrap it up and justify our action I would like you to remember the last war between TIE and Muj...Ian posted after massing:"Seldefence bla bla bla ham ham against Muj"...for no reason just and just for his fun...Now because of the Vaako vs Void thing Ian threatened us and farmed us for unprofitable sums just to provoke us...plus when I asked for compensation from stars he offended me...not fair.Well nice job: you did provoked us;)

now it's gonna be a sad and shameful war were: they are all gonna use ppt's and raise stats and bla bla... and it's gonna end just when we will get bored and they will still be barking...and that's all folks. So, Ian my son(believe me that there are real chances that you could be my real sine in RL) gather you pack of puppies, tell them to shine your boots hold your stick and whatever is that they are all doing for you, hopefully you will realize that you are the lame f... that always starts this stupid nonsense wars(Frankly I don really know how the heck or HOW THE F>>>>>>> you guys can't see that all wars that have taken place on this game started because of Ian...ARE YOU GUYS BLIND!?!?!?!?!?!?!?...ARE YOU ALL BLIND!!!!!!??????)...and let's all hope for a fair fight;)

and now because weekend is almost here and I'll be gone with some bizz: can I use a lame shameful excuse that on f Ian's puppies once used after he started a war...it sounds almost as the on the dog used:"Due to recent events I wouldn't be able to fight this war"(even if I was stupid enough to start it)..."by my dear camel has passed away and I'll be flying to bla bla bla ham ham ham"...so pls guys not this weekend...see ya all monday;)

After reading this, the war between Mujengan and Imperium makes sense. In the last war TIE did make the first strike claiming it to be pre-emptive. Before they struck they built big strikes, which were closely observed by TOC. But the leading members of World Republic and Mujengan were against a strike because we didnt want to be the agressors.

Then when there is tension between Mujengan and Imperium and they observe again strong increases in strike and all hints at a repeated agression by TIE, then it somehow sounds reasonable to start a war. It is reasonable from military point of view, this however doesn't mean that it's fair or ok to do so.

Let's face reality. TIE have started a couple wars, sometimes calling them pre-emptive strikes, and they were despised for that by other players. Now when Mujengan does the same, it's reasonable that Mujengan will be despised by other players too.

by curumo Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:04 pm

Nimras I *am* one there Wink

5 y + and I know ... but it was a funny comment and I just had to Wink

And thanks btw Smile

Sandwalker's right though. TIE's the bong! Wink

by Nimras Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:14 pm

curumo wrote:Nimras I *am* one there 5 y + and I know ... but it was a funny comment and I just had to And thanks btw

Sandwalker's right though. TIE's the bong!

Lol fair enough I am 5 years + think we talk 5½ year now lol.

by Steveanaya Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:27 pm

Ahem

Back to the topic?

by Smog Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:28 pm

@Kenzu: it was obvious to most of us that Ian was stalling. Stars said he needs more time, cause he is out of money, but his strike goes 5 billion up and he trains 100k spies. Ian says the 20 bill I stole from him were supposed to be my compensation, says he needs more time, but his strike goes 8(???) bill up. Steveanaya says he's gonna think if he wants to repay, after I did the math for him, and then he challenges Garffi, to whom he should have paid the compensation, to a 1v1. So maybe Ian can hide behind the blabbering, but that's not gonna save him from being smacked. But he's a funny guy. He's gonna release the dragon. Better take cover Smile

))

by Steveanaya Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:30 pm

I was gonna pay.

Too late now though

by Smog Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:34 pm

Well, you weren't hit. you can't complain.

by Steveanaya Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:36 pm

I wasn't hit cuz I jumped on protection.

I'm sure I'm a 'valuable' target considering I'm 1/3 of the "cause" of this war.

by ian Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:36 pm

Smog wrote:@Kenzu: it was obvious to most of us that Ian was stalling. Stars said he needs more time, cause he is out of money, but his strike goes 5 billion up and he trains 100k spies. Ian says the 20 bill I stole from him were supposed to be my compensation, says he needs more time, but his strike goes 8(???) bill up. Steveanaya says he's gonna think if he wants to repay, after I did the math for him, and then he challenges Garffi, to whom he should have paid the compensation, to a 1v1. So maybe Ian can hide behind the blabbering, but that's not gonna save him from being smacked. But he's a funny guy. He's gonna release the dragon. Better take cover ))

Since when has any alliance ever fought The Imperium, alliance vs. alliance, and even got a ceasefire?

Lets recap:

1st TIE-WR war: Starts off with a massacre of WR, only evens out when Geto-dacii launches a surprise attack after weeks of TIE having dropped/cut-back on the war & tried to find a peaceful solution to end the bloodbath.

2nd TIE-WR War: Ends in complete surrender of WR & removal of Kenzu as leader for 6months.

1st TIE-TOC War: 3 (or was it 4?)Alliances vs. 1... and despite that huge advantage, it ends in a ceasefire.

1st TIE-Mujengan War: You were getting creamed until World Republic joined the fight. Ended in a ceasefire when TM intervened.

In ALL our wars we ve fought, we ve been outnumbered in players & in actual alliances facing us, bar one... which ended in the surrender of the enemy.

So, with that in mind, we ll see just how much your dragon is really worth.

You also at the end of our lovely convo pretty much said this:

22/06/2011 23:54:32 Smog ian whatever
22/06/2011 23:54:37 Smog ian 36
22/06/2011 23:54:39 ian Smog 36hours then
22/06/2011 23:55:02 ian Smog I ll look for you on msn shortly before the due date, to ensure your online to accept the broker
22/06/2011 23:55:16 Smog ian hust send it
22/06/2011 23:55:19 Smog ian j*
22/06/2011 23:55:24 ian Smog You want me to *send* it?
22/06/2011 23:55:29 ian Smog rather than broker?
22/06/2011 23:55:31 ian Smog you sure?
22/06/2011 23:55:35 Smog ian dude
22/06/2011 23:55:47 Smog ian the direct transfer is long gone
22/06/2011 23:55:53 Smog ian broker is the only way
22/06/2011 23:55:54 ian Smog Lol, oh
22/06/2011 23:55:56 Smog ian so yeas

I believe I specifically stated I d set the broker & catch you on msn shortly before that 36hours was up

by Keinutnai Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:10 pm

Smog wrote:@Kenzu: it was obvious to most of us that Ian was stalling. Stars said he needs more time, cause he is out of money, but his strike goes 5 billion up and he trains 100k spies. Ian says the 20 bill I stole from him were supposed to be my compensation, says he needs more time, but his strike goes 8(???) bill up. Steveanaya says he's gonna think if he wants to repay, after I did the math for him, and then he challenges Garffi, to whom he should have paid the compensation, to a 1v1. So maybe Ian can hide behind the blabbering, but that's not gonna save him from being smacked. But he's a funny guy. He's gonna release the dragon. Better take cover ))

1v1 or not, he has to pay compensation anyway, and you should have asked ian to compensate for all hits. I am sure he would have organised them. You could have also informed us that you have problems getting compensated.

Btw, if one player challenges some other player on a 1v1, then he can reject the challenge. No one can force anyone to duel. Any player can be protected by his alliance from any unwanted duels.

by Mystake Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:33 pm

Smog wrote:@Kenzu: it was obvious to most of us that Ian was stalling. Stars said he needs more time, cause he is out of money, but his strike goes 5 billion up and he trains 100k spies. Ian says the 20 bill I stole from him were supposed to be my compensation, says he needs more time, but his strike goes 8(???) bill up. Steveanaya says he's gonna think if he wants to repay, after I did the math for him, and then he challenges Garffi, to whom he should have paid the compensation, to a 1v1. So maybe Ian can hide behind the blabbering, but that's not gonna save him from being smacked. But he's a funny guy. He's gonna release the dragon. Better take cover ))

You weren't so quick to pay me my compensation back, hypocrite.

edit: the hit was days before, but when i got you how much you owed me, you took 4 days to pay me back.

by Mystake Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:34 pm

Nimras,

<3

by kaiballz Fri Jun 24, 2011 2:55 am

PS: i think a better way for documenting this war would be to just compile the total power /army size of each alliance now and then. I've been reading the previous war threads and it is really very difficult to read. If only an update of total power is pasted every day or so it will be very clear to everyone reading the forums who's winning and who's losing etc etc.

by Smog Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:36 am

@mystake: Did you forget that it took you almost two weeks just to do the math? And that you asked for 2x the sum I owed you and you had to do the math all over again? I could have just said that the time has passed... And now you call me a hypocrite?

by seaborgium Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:17 am

Thats why repayment time doesn't start for TM until after talks are over.

by Mystake Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:40 pm

Smog wrote:@mystake: Did you forget that it took you almost two weeks just to do the math? And that you asked for 2x the sum I owed you and you had to do the math all over again? I could have just said that the time has passed... And now you call me a hypocrite?

Forgive me for working 118 hours in 2 weeks, I was busy and I pm'd that to you. I also had a d'oh moment when reading your MOTD, hence me asking for 2x the amount.

Also, I asked for 15b and said I couldn't be bothered to do the math, you chose to when you sent me 16b. That, and I told you I was going to wait a bit to get compensation and you said that was fine by you. So you agreed to those terms, so no I am not a hypocrite.

And if you had said the time had passed, you would've been massed. You've seen how much I've been growing so you know it's not out of the realm of possibility for me to have been able to afford to hurt ya a bit.

by stars Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:44 pm

I just wanted to speak for myself, as I have been placed as blame for alot. Obviously as you stated SMOG my strike was going up, and I had used all the kuwals to do so. I told you I would pay you back withing 24 hours. You have me 16 hours before you guys just went ahead and massed. So dont go ahead and say we planned against you. It was fair game that you had as much kuwals as you did out, and I attempted the hit to see if I came out profitable, so for that you can keep crying and saying you will mass us just for one hit.

I also find it funny that you personally take forever to pay back ANY DUES in general SMOG so for using this as an excuse for 1 single hit I find hilarious.

Castravete you speak on the forums as if you are the toughest player out there. Dude you wimp out in every war, your cry like a little girl, and you whine like a woman. You have no place for a man's game, as you are what we call in California a wannabe gang member who only acts like they are mighty and tough behind a group of dogs. But when you are all by yourself, you are whimpering and scared.

This is my input, stop your lame jibber jabber and lets get to battle.

*IF ADMIN EVEN THINKS ABOUT BANNING ME FOR THIS!!! "LAUGH"!!!
I forgot I am not talking about Kenzu so I am probably not going to get nothing from admin.*

by ian Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:20 pm

Logaliff - defence killed & assassin hunted

Before: 500,000 Defence Supers & MA, 1.1million assassins.
After: 23,329 Defence Soldiers & MA, 288k Assassins

Micey - defence killed & assassin hunted & spies assassins

Before: 258k Defence soldiers & MBT, 400k assassins & spies
After: 39k Defence Soldiers & MBT, 170k assassins & 382k Spies

Lord Zeth - Defence massed & assassin hunted

Before:384k Defence Soldiers & MBT, 414k assassins
After: 141k Defence Soldiers & MBT, 213k assassins

Ierdna - Defence Massed, assassin hunted & spies assassinated

Before: 548k Defence Soldiers & MBT, 500k assassins, 500k Spies
After: 59.5k Defence Soldiers & MBT, 107k assassins, 329k Spies

Ghyogod - defence reduced from 15billion to 5billion

Before: 421k Defence Soldiers & MLRS
After: 132k Defence Soldiers & MLRS

Fuedalist - defence attacked & hit PPT

Before: 697,070 Defence Soldiers & MBT/MA
After: 470k ish Defence Soldiers & MBT/MA

by Steveanaya Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:45 pm

by seaborgium Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:32 am

I have never had any issues with repayment as far as smog is concerned.
Ya might find that talking goes futher then barking.

by Keinutnai Sat Jun 25, 2011 2:16 am

% of players on protection is a good indicator of threat perception.
If one alliance is becomming very powerful against an other, it could be noticed by a shift in the number of people on protection. If for example one alliance is in war, but no one is on protection it could mean that the other alliance is too weak to launch a proper strike.

Right now, both alliances seem similar in the percentage of people on protection (only 20% discrepancy), however it is no secret that TIE have an advantage in military power and population. Of course wars are also decided by the war chest and military organisation.

Imperium
9/26 active players on protection (35%)
+3 vacated players

Mujengan
10/18 active players on protection (55%)
+1 vacated player

by Jiro Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:57 am

There is a tactical side to PPT as well. It makes sure your attack power is saved for when you want to start fighting. In that sense I think it's not a good indicator.
Except for telling they take the offensive capabilities of TIE seriously. Duh.

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