Re: (TOC) vs (TIE)

by Vesper Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:43 am

ian wrote:TIE annihilated about close to 7.5million miner's last night between 2 players in response....

I wish I had 7.5mil miners to spare... I wish admin made it so keep what you kill. Sad

by Vesper Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:48 am

Miglow wrote:Yeah, if someone is gonna have ~1mill+ miners they had better have a damned good defence.

Yes 1 of them had a 8bil defense and the other guy has rank 1 covert and assassin. So they were not just average players that had their entire army trained as miners. They were both over 6mil army and ranked in top 10 (when we started). scratch

by Miglow Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:10 am

damn

That is just nutz. Then again, with those kind of defences taking out that many miners should have been costly.

by Vesper Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:21 am

It cost us a bit less to mass their defense then it cost them to arm it. But when they lost the miners the damage done compared to the damage taken was no comparison. Typically TIE targets people with strikes. Eariler in the day FIRE launched a strike against TIE which abosorbed most of their members that had strikes. So they didnt really have anyone that was an immediate threat. Candyman had the 8bil defense and a bit over a 3bil strike so if he decided to attack he was the only 1 that could do anything which is why we targeted him. Then massing him went so well that we had enough fire power left to take out best's defense and his miners 2. 1 of our players went to bed early so we fell short strike wise to hunt away all of his assassins.

TIE may be outnumbered and outmatched economically but we can launch a fresh attack every single day because of our high facilities Wink

From the 1st attack done to less then 30 hours later FIRE had 3 of its largest accounts and most heavily armed players massed. TIE was already prepared to launched another attack but then the server blew up and everything went to hell.

by Admin Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:01 am

Vesper wrote:I wish I had 7.5mil miners to spare... I wish admin made it so keep what you kill.

play reset server then, there's gonna be something along those lines

by Miglow Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:10 am

really? will that be the first iteration?

by curumo Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:58 pm

Oh my ... that's going to be bloody Very Happy

by pxn Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:18 pm

i know a rather big alliance looking for a game that resets.. since i'm too lazy to go look for it.. is there a timespan for when the first reset will start?

by Admin Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:43 pm

80% chance that i'll get it running by 1st july

100% chance that it'll run by mid july.
This whole bug thing made me lose one day, which considering I have exams in 2 weeks again, is a major time loss.

Either way tell them to register on main, there's going to be only one registration page that will create accounts on both main and reset at the same time, however those that will not want to, will be able to have a different ID for main and reset.

plus they should really use the 2-4 weeks they have, should they want to play aw, to play main and get a grip for it. No clue what they are playing but AW is kinda different, though reset will be a tad bit different than main

by pxn Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:06 pm

thanks, i'll pass on the info and see if they're interested..

could prove interesting for AW if they do Smile

by Kenzu Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:33 pm

r1maru wrote:i am not surprised that you guys killed so many miners, i am surprised that 2 players had trained so many miners

Me too.

Hey, but these people knew what they were going for.
If 2 people lost 7.5 million miners, it means that each of them had a couple million miners, and they knew what they were risking, because it's no secret that miners can get killed, and it's no secret that everyone will be massed eventually. Too much miners is a reason enough, afterall there are people who are after the awards and killing a couple million units is not something to be neglected.

by Special Agent 47 Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:21 pm

Kenzu wrote:
r1maru wrote:i am not surprised that you guys killed so many miners, i am surprised that 2 players had trained so many miners

Me too.

Hey, but these people knew what they were going for.
If 2 people lost 7.5 million miners, it means that each of them had a couple million miners, and they knew what they were risking, because it's no secret that miners can get killed, and it's no secret that everyone will be massed eventually. Too much miners is a reason enough, afterall there are people who are after the awards and killing a couple million units is not something to be neglected.

Candyman had 5 mill or more miners, and I find it odd you talk about award hunters considering your the one who started the tactic of killing accounts with high miner counts for ME over going after military accounts that are an actual threat.

This is a pm exchange and the reason why I do not care for Kenzu nor his mentality.

Kenzu
kudos!

SA47 Wrote
TY

was looking at you when you messaged me lol

Kenzu
oh really. So what interesting have you found out?

SA47 Wrote
just that your online so going after you alone right now would be disasterous for me

I just thought the timing was amusing, I click your base page and a message from you pops up, talk about timing

Kenzu
you are 2 times bigger than me, why don't you try fighting like a real man
let's have a 1 on 1
what do you say?

SA47 Wrote
I fail to see why you feel the need for the "fight like a real man" remark. I think I have done just fine fighting like a real man so far. I'm not the forum warrior who fights with words ;-).

As for you 1 vs 1, what rules of engagement do you wish?

Kenzu
Basically you continue massing me and let's see how it goes.

SA47 Wrote
Then I reject your offer. If you just going to lay there and take a beating without fighting back its rather useless for me to waste 1/2 of my strike or so killing you.

Why dont you follow your own advise and "Actually" fight like a man?

Kenzu
unlike you, I don't have a strike as you might have noticed.

Besides, do you really think that I can mass you with what I have?

SA47 wrote
then build it.

I mean really, why am I suppose to feel good about bashing someone whos not going to fight back?

Ask for terms, and I'll try to match them, if a strong reduction of def is needed then you may have to wait till someone does mass me, or atleast try

Kenzu
I knew you would be too chicken to mass me now.

SA47 Wrote
hahahahahahhaha
classic
hahahahahahahahaha

you call me chicken when your the one who refuses to fight LOL that does follow your normal line of thinking tho.

Kenzu
If I had your stats and you had mine, I would mass you right now.
But you aren't brave enough to do that.

SA47 Wrote
I am glad to know you think bashing those smaller and weaker then yourself is courage.

I pity you Kenzu, but I'm glad your true colors are shining through. Guess its a good thing I am around to stop you from acting the way you really want to act.

I will come for you Kenzu, but it will be on my time and on my terms, not yours.

Don't think I don't already know what your doing mate.

And congratulations on your accomplishments in the war so far.

he hasnt replied anymore so I assume the conversation is done.

**Edit** Kenzu's final pm

Thanks!

Congratulations to you too!

You are worthy opponent.

by Kenzu Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:32 pm

Special Agent 47 wrote:
Kenzu wrote:
r1maru wrote:i am not surprised that you guys killed so many miners, i am surprised that 2 players had trained so many miners

Me too.

Hey, but these people knew what they were going for.
If 2 people lost 7.5 million miners, it means that each of them had a couple million miners, and they knew what they were risking, because it's no secret that miners can get killed, and it's no secret that everyone will be massed eventually. Too much miners is a reason enough, afterall there are people who are after the awards and killing a couple million units is not something to be neglected.

Candyman had 5 mill or more miners, and I find it odd you talk about award hunters considering your the one who started the tactic of killing accounts with high miner counts for ME over going after military accounts that are an actual threat.

I did an investigation and found out that the 7.5 million miners ian was talking about is a complete nonsense.
Two accounts lost a total of 4-4.5 million miners. One player lost 1 million miners and the other lost roughly 3 million to 3.5 million miners.
ian's "results" are a nice exaggeration.

PS: Awards are a nice thing, but they are definitely not a priority for me.

Ian and SA47 attempted a mass on me again, and again they had to stop, because I stay vigilant.
Who knows, you might be successful on your 3rd try.

by kingkongfan1 Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:00 pm

ok guys, I know I aint the brightest bulb in the box, but who/what is (TOC) only jiro & New Federation carry this tag... just asking... king

by seaborgium Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:57 pm

It has to do with the server stuff that went on, the other 2 never changed it

I saw Emperors carry it too

by seaborgium Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:01 am

congrats on the hits and almost getting my def Very Happy

in the 73 assaults on my account:

TOC losses 257,481
My losses 130,858

TOC kuwal losses = 163,726,162,000
My losses = 111,491,016,000

Now lets move to the raid that happened

I lost 928 UU
I lost 36 Supers

TOC lost 531 Supers

My losses = 197,712,000
TOC losses = 338,778,000

Now to the best 2 hits of the whole massing, The hunt assassin mission

I lost 8,732 assassins
TOC lost 6,036 Supers

My losses = 1,964,700,000
TOC losses = 3,850,968,000

I figured I would share.

BTW Just to give TOC a good laugh, I was at the PC watching a TV Show when you all were hitting. Embarassed

by kingkongfan1 Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:22 am

seaborgium wrote:It has to do with the server stuff that went on, the other 2 never changed it

I saw Emperors carry it too

thanks sea,,, what I meant to say was, what does (TOC) mean? should I be looking out for (TIC)?... lol... there are no periods like in (T.I.E.), just trying to keep up here... thanks... king

by Lord Ishurue Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:28 am

kingkongfan1 wrote:
seaborgium wrote:It has to do with the server stuff that went on, the other 2 never changed it

I saw Emperors carry it too

thanks sea,,, what I meant to say was, what does (TOC) mean? should I be looking out for (TIC)?... lol... there are no periods like in (T.I.E.), just trying to keep up here... thanks...

TOC = The Order of Chaos

by Magnus Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:28 am

Jiro wrote:Hi Curumo, I'll take your advice.
As for Ian's post about 3 alliances attacking one, given that TIE was formed out of The Company, The Commonwealth, Lords of Legend and Fedaykin, we'd be outnumbered by one alliance.

Well if you look at the numbers against TIE and TOC that is not really correct. I would say we are close to 150 Players versus some 50 +. Interesting but strange that people commenting on high warring get more and more people to help them. affraid

by ian Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:05 pm

Hmmm.... does anyone in The Coalition of Chaos know who's been massed so far, and what sort of losses for eithier side have been sufferred in this war so far? lol

I ll be honest... i haven't got a clue when it comes to losses, or a full idea of just who's been killed (as well as our "strime team" attacks individual TIE members are also launching their own attacks against targets of opportunities) lol. Was wondering if you guys know?

by Admin Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:45 pm

I haven't run through the logs but if I simply took starting global army size, added global unit production and then compared to current global army size, i think you'd be shocked XD

it's a war allright this thing
edit: GLOBAL War Exp went up by 60% in the last 6 days

by ian Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:30 pm

Admin wrote:I haven't run through the logs but if I simply took starting global army size, added global unit production and then compared to current global army size, i think you'd be shocked XD

it's a war allright this thing
edit: GLOBAL War Exp went up by 60% in the last 6 days

LOL. Fair enough Very Happy

.

Yeah its definately a war - TIE's beating the hell out of the enemy, and the enemy's beating the hell out of TIE. I d say 4 account's died yesterday alone (2 enemy & 2 TIE) lol.

If you could post how much has been lost so far based on the global army size thing i think everyone would be interested to know Smile

by Admin Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:35 pm

6th June: 53,707,940 Total Units Killed
13th June: 91,438,544 Total Units Killed

(forgot I actually had a row with a sum of all unit classes killed)
On a lighter note, I think I have the strike mission war exp mapped out for the 4 alliances that disbanded (BD,TIE,WR and FIRE, right?), I still need to write a script for sabs and assassinations. When I'm done with it all, i'll run it all at once.

by Lord Ishurue Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:42 pm

ian wrote:Hmmm.... does anyone in The Coalition of Chaos know who's been massed so far, and what sort of losses for eithier side have been sufferred in this war so far? lol

I ll be honest... i haven't got a clue when it comes to losses, or a full idea of just who's been killed (as well as our "strime team" attacks individual TIE members are also launching their own attacks against targets of opportunities) lol. Was wondering if you guys know?

you see here the other wars in Aderan were a little country this ones more rock n roll

TIE massed
Castravete
Candyman86
Best
Lord Ishurue ( assassins )
Black Lotus ( strike and defense )
Freethinker94
Redblulu
Gortok ( strike and defense )
mikeshinota ( strike and defense )
quite a few sabs and assaults on random members

TOC massed
Seaborgium ( defense )
Dune ( Defense )
Souldog
Skyfighter ( Defense )
Curumo ( defense )
loregram ( defense . small member under 400k army )
Bloodhound ( Defense small member under 700k army )
Mobocracy
D-raven
viper
Hai_Shulud
Dursum/Zanti
Retro22 ( Defense )
Cursed (defense )
inox
alexei

I may have missed a few players from both sides .

Both TIE and TOC had fail assassination and sab tempts on each other .

Cursed lost over 630k spies and assassins on his failed attempts on Vaako .
Seaborgim lost 62.5k Assassins on his attempt on me .
I think ian and SA47 lost a total of 600k spies from attemting to hit kenzu .

TOC lost an estimate of 300k spies & assassins on failed attempts .

TIE killed ~ 5mil of TOC's miners
TOC killed ~ 2 mil of TIE's income units

( If some things are inaccurate send me a pm on the forum and ill correct it . or quote here )
( if this post gets edited a bunch of times its to update info )

by Admin Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:48 pm

ok, I am now confident the war system is actually ok
The only thing that is lacking to really make this aderanwars is that there's gotta be incentives for people to attack each other with the following being true:

1) non-bloodthirsty conflicts should be the norm
2) players will need to look for evenly matched opponents to get the most "benefits"

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