WR is open to negotiations with TIE

Vesper wrote:Why would we take the knife out a beast that we know full well will jump at the chance to bite you?

Kismet wrote:Ian, I have left it open for you to message me at the very least and I've not heard word 1 from you at this point. If it's because you don't like me for some reason, you might want to consider having someone else (diplomat/s) discuss anything with me. If you are so agreed, please post that and then post nothing further since this would be a negotiation thread.... Kenzu won't be posting here either. IF you're acting as TIE's diplomat..... and won't even talk to me, you really should consider another to do the negotiations.

By asking for a diplomat that can make the decision for the alliance in agreeing to any terms, that would be important so there wouldn't be such a delay. The diplomat would need that authority.

Kismet wrote:As Vesper and SA47 have found out - I am not Kenzu.

IF I place a peace treaty in place, it sticks. Anyone on my side who violates it would be dealt with harshly, as I would expect the other side to do if someone from their side violated it.

I'll get my msn on here. Netbooks are just a pain with the itty-bitty keyboards!

Forgive any typos or extra characters

FarleShadow wrote:Hey you think we could get New years off so I can go get drunk off my face and/or cuss someone out for being an idiot

Kismet wrote:IF I place a peace treaty in place, it sticks. Anyone on my side who violates it would be dealt with harshly, as I would expect the other side to do if someone from their side violated it.

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Can't you hear the captain shouting
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ian wrote:Since i m a nice person, and i respect Vesper's opinion - no more *coordinated* (as in... alliance organised - but individuals may still conduct sporadic actions on their own) assaults by T.I.E will be launched against MOST (not all) of World Republic's players for the next 6hours.

After that - we ll resume doing what we are doing (targetting any and all WR players of opportunity).

That gives you 6hours to figure out a decent peace package and propose it here on the forum.

I won't lie to you though - unless you ve agreed to our all terms we ll almost certainly reject it... but if the proposal is at least half-decent it will factor into our decision making on just who in World Republic joins the fallen next - and thus our next attacks MAY be less severe if we feel World Republic is at least trying to put forward a decent peace proposal.

I ll make one thing clear though: There WON'T be any long term (i.e. more than 6hours) halts of attacks on WR - letting the pressure of World Republic - as long as this war continues. We tried that before - leaving WR alone for 3 weeks... and then paid the price when WR struck us back. We are not risking it again (i have absolutely zero faith in Kenzu's trustworthyness these days - and i m very skeptical about whether or not his influence in WR has actually been reduced even slightly i.e. i think he is still the one controlling all the strings in WR).

In essence then - your going to have to figure out exactly what your prepared to accept while still "under fire". There won't be a long-term (more than 6hours) halt to our attacks untill peace is finally established.

Our terms btw:

- Official surrender of World Republic

- Removal of Kenzu from World Republic

- Official apology on behalf of World Republic by WR's leadership (whoever they may be after Kenzu is removed) for any actions committed by Kenzu in the name of World Republic

- A public promise never to conduct hostile subterfuge/ undermining campaigns against another alliance again.

- A public promise to treat any and all AW players with decency and respect - and to always ensure peaceful means are utilised first (i.e. no more massing small players like happened to Tackless shadow and a couple of others).

Vesper wrote:Okay so reasons why this whole deal will be drawn out for even longer.

WR took a vote as to stay and fight or to have kenzu step down as leader. Sadly they voted to stay and fight. Which then resulted in me returning to TIE and assassinating people. Now i didnt want to be involved in this war but when only 1 member of WR can see the logic in Kenzu's actions it sorta proves the whole reason why every1 in WR was targetted in the first place. Now at least we can hit every1 in WR and no1 can say "hey i dont support kenzu dont hit me." because i know how the vote went and well you do support him.

Next point, i figured i would run a few tests on kenzu. every1 keeps asking why do we hate kenzu, why wont we give him a chance, why cant we start to trust him. Well i test out how truthful kenzu was. So i messaged kenzu only and before starting the conversation he agreed to not publicize the conversation, told me personally he would keep the conversation private just between us. I said a bunch of things that will tempt him to go to his alliance and things he will really want to post on the forum.

For example: i told kenzu that TIE hated him and ian never follows treaties and we all plan to sit on WR forever. I had a feeling that will tempt him enough to report to his alliance. That of course is complete crap as i personally created the polls for TIE and a 95%+ vote was for peace. So within hours i hear that Kenzu sends that alliance wide PM about ian and his never follow treaty deal to his members. So that right there is the evidence that kenzu cant be trusted even on a 1 on 1 basis.

Next, WR appointed 2 diplomats to be permitted to create, edit, and enforce the agreements for peace since Kenzu was not making much progress with his random demands. So of course in the list created by the diplomats for WR is a demand created by kenzu himself and all were agreed on except for the 1 by kenzu. Now if the diplomats never had the power to do anything why the hell did you even appoint them? If WR had any intentions of peace why would kenzu ignore the messages from BOTH diplomats? Both diplomats i feel were great to work with and i enjoyed conversing with both.

Next, again WR claims they want peace. But that again is total bollocks. Kenzu sends PMs to other alliances leaders all the time while he has his members pretending they want peace. Yes yes i know all about the messages. Hell I probably knew the response to most of the messages before they were even sent to kenzu. (if you remember kenzu sending mass PMs is what got him in trouble in the first place!!!!)

Also, why would people that were previously in WR or in O or had previous relations with WR randomly out of the blue start to arm strikes? You think that a mobilization will go unnoticed? Just a side fact for WR. I spy most of the server everyday. i track growths mostly but every once in a while i will check out military upgrades. Hell one of the critical mistakes kenzu made was have people he had attack TIE early on butcher their account removing all income units and have them build war machine accounts. These account were meant to be the lead strikers for WR.


Now i need to work down my to do list
~ Respond to todays bs on AW forums (X)
~ Respond to the million of fricken MSN messages ( )
~ Read the 128 inbox messages ( )
~ Read ally forums ( )
~ Read and post on TIE forums ( )
~ Message people to gather their stance ( )
~ Choose new targets that managed to piss me off now that i know all of WR except for 1 person voted to fight ( )
~ Begin set up for the 3.6bil strike ( )

Kenzu wrote:

seaborgium wrote:spies and someone willing to give up information are 2 different things.

Something I have said since day one of this stuff about spies.

then talk to ian about it

He seems to consider almost everyone a spy, who talks to me and is a member of TIE

seaborgium wrote:spies and someone willing to give up information are 2 different things.

Something I have said since day one of this stuff about spies.