FIRE & The Imperium Breach Procedure

by ian Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:04 pm

Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

by Kenzu Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:19 pm

interesting, but why not make the possibility to let the player pay compensation even after the 3rd breach?

It looks like the player will be massed upon the 3rd breach no matter what.

If a player accepts paying back the damages caused on the 3rd occassion, will there be such a possiblity for the player, or will he be massed anyway?

by Lord Ishurue Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:29 pm

ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Due to possible ingame developement this procedure may or may not be changed , and all parties should be notified about such possible changes

Sign on Behalf of FIRE .

Ishurue FIRE HC member

by ian Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:31 pm

Ishurue wrote:
ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Due to possible ingame developement this procedure may or may not be changed , and all parties should be notified about such possible changes

Sign on Behalf of FIRE .

Ishurue FIRE HC member

Agree with the bit you added in.

World Republic is also welcome to sign this treaty.

by Lord Ishurue Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:32 pm

All sides involved will start with a clean slate in regards to past breeches .

this treaty will take into effect on . 25 Apr 17:00 Aderan wars server time .
all breeches up until then will also be forgotten & forgiving by all sides .

Signed on Behalf of FIRE

Ishurue

by ian Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:33 pm

Ishurue wrote:
All sides involved will start with a clean slate in regards to past breeches .

this treaty will take into effect on . 25 Apr 17:00 Aderan wars server time .
all breeches up until then will also be forgotten & forgiving by all sides .

Signed on Behalf of FIRE

Ishurue

Agreed on behalf of The Imperium.

by Special Agent 47 Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:46 pm

As the newly appointed 2IC of The Imperium I'll address your question Kenzu.

Kenzu wrote:interesting, but why not make the possibility to let the player pay compensation even after the 3rd breach?

It looks like the player will be massed upon the 3rd breach no matter what.

If a player accepts paying back the damages caused on the 3rd occassion, will there be such a possiblity for the player, or will he be massed anyway?

No one has stated the possibility to repay on the 3rd breach does not exist. It states military force is allowed. That means if the decision is made it does not have to go through TIE HC. It is a fire at will standing order. Don't think that it is our duty to remind you a third time about a breach or you will be sadly disappointed. Now if someone realizes their mistake and makes an effort to fix the situation then I am sure something can be arranged. Seeing how attacks do not show up for 6 hrs, that should give anyone enough time to broker resources, or at the very least send a message before it becomes common knowledge to the rest of the alliance.

by Kenzu Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:02 am

ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Signed by World Republic

by seaborgium Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:22 pm

Just to make sure nothing changes in regards to who signed this. I have seen in another thread where someone had signed in later edited it to make it seem that they didn't.

ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Ishurue wrote:
ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Due to possible ingame developement this procedure may or may not be changed , and all parties should be notified about such possible changes

Sign on Behalf of FIRE .

Ishurue FIRE HC member

ian wrote:
Ishurue wrote:
ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Due to possible ingame developement this procedure may or may not be changed , and all parties should be notified about such possible changes

Sign on Behalf of FIRE .

Ishurue FIRE HC member

Agree with the bit you added in.

World Republic is also welcome to sign this treaty.

Ishurue wrote:
All sides involved will start with a clean slate in regards to past breeches .

this treaty will take into effect on . 25 Apr 17:00 Aderan wars server time .
all breeches up until then will also be forgotten & forgiving by all sides .

Signed on Behalf of FIRE

Ishurue

ian wrote:
Ishurue wrote:
All sides involved will start with a clean slate in regards to past breeches .

this treaty will take into effect on . 25 Apr 17:00 Aderan wars server time .
all breeches up until then will also be forgotten & forgiving by all sides .

Signed on Behalf of FIRE

Ishurue

Agreed on behalf of The Imperium.

Kenzu wrote:
ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Signed by World Republic

by Paladius Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:37 pm

ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Signed by Paladius on behalf of The Black Dragons

by seaborgium Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:44 pm

Just adding to the 'archive'

Paladius wrote:
ian wrote:Below is the proposed procedure for dealing with breaches by player's of any of the signatories farming policy:

The below will apply over a 30 period after any player in breach of a policy is last contacted concerning the breach. Another breach after that 30 day period expires will be treated as a first breach.

1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

2nd breach of alliance policy = Another warning is issued, as well as another message to the alliance leader of the player in question - and compensation demanded. Compensation includes the full amount of kuwal stolen , Weapon cost , retraining cost, since TIE & FIRE & WR uses a different UU rate the UUs the victim lost will be sent directly plus 1% ( the 1% covers the direct send fee of 1% of goods sent )

3rd Breach of alliance policy, or a failure to provide compensation within 72hours of the 2nd warning being sent = Military force is allowed, and the player in question is not permitted to farm the alliance of the victim for a 14 day period after they are massed.

In the event of multiple breaches by a player before that player has been contacted by the alliance in question, that player shall be asked to refrain from farming those he committed his breaches on for a 10 day period, and officially warned. Further breaches after this within a 30 day period will be treated as a 2nd breach - with another warning and a demand for compensation issued, failure to compensate or more breaches will result in military action being used.

Note: The Multiple Breach Clause is not to be exploited. If the player who does multiple breaches is well aware of the alliance's policy, these breaches will be treated as seperate breaches - the clause only applies to those who are unaware of the policy and commit multiple breaches before being made aware.

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Signed on behalf of The Imperium Empire

Ian - Senatorum Imperialis

Signed by The Black Dragons

by Paladius Tue May 25, 2010 2:40 pm

Due to language contained within this breach policy that is of a vague, unclear, and blantantly exploitable nature... The Black Dragon alliance states the intent to secede from this breach policy, and abide by it no longer. until such time as appropriate changes are made to said policy.

Paladius of the black dragons

by kingkongfan1 Tue May 25, 2010 2:49 pm

Paladius wrote:Due to language contained within this breach policy that is of a vague, unclear, and blantantly exploitable nature... The Black Dragon alliance states the intent to secede from this breach policy, and abide by it no longer. until such time as appropriate changes are made to said policy.

Paladius of the black dragons

I Kingkongfan1 Black Dragon High Council member agree with this statement... king

by ian Tue May 25, 2010 3:44 pm

Could one of you message me ingame about what has brought about this withdrawal? I.e. what the event is which has called the above in question?

Thanks

by seaborgium Tue May 25, 2010 3:51 pm

I would just like to know what tey call vague and explotiable.

by kingkongfan1 Tue May 25, 2010 4:15 pm

seaborgium wrote:I would just like to know what tey call vague and explotiable.

explain the 7 day limit then please? you know what I am refering to? or do I need to post our discussion here for all to see? you know exactly what I/we are refering to... besides this has nothing to do T.I.E. this is all on World Republic...

Also I think that if an alliance knows about this policy then all members of said alliance should know about this policy... negating the first hit warning & education. therefore allowing for compensation to be made for the first hit onward... the only exception allowable in my opinion is a brand new player...period, & the guy who hit Quest has been a World Republic member for as long as I have been playing this game or longer, so the excuse- he didn't know, doesn't hold any water with me or any other Dragon... that is also exploitable language stating we have to put up with multiple hits... I mean if a guy robbed you & he got caught, you telling me that the cops are gonna give him a warning & educate the perpetrator, then wait for him to rob you again before doing anything about it... All Dragons are active players & we are a small alliance so any hit on us is a critical hit & needs an immediate response not waiting around 2 weeks... this way we handle things our way... if you don't like it don't farm/raid us... king

by seaborgium Tue May 25, 2010 4:30 pm

The 7 day item that you are refurring to is due to how you spoke when you made contact with myself. Notice that how I became nice the more you were giving information. Also after you told me that you had contacted 2 people already. I confirmed that and our player paid.

Also I could have done what has been put down from on high in TIE and that is you guys didn't have a published policy. But I personally believe in that if you require others to do something you should follow it.

by Paladius Tue May 25, 2010 5:49 pm

seaborgium wrote:The 7 day item that you are refurring to is due to how you spoke when you made contact with myself. Notice that how I became nice the more you were giving information. Also after you told me that you had contacted 2 people already. I confirmed that and our player paid.

Also I could have done what has been put down from on high in TIE and that is you guys didn't have a published policy. But I personally believe in that if you require others to do something you should follow it.

We did have a published farming policy at the time of the illegal hit curumo made, which is the same as TIE's policy or was supposed to be the same. And by the way the pm conversation between you and kingkongfan1 has been fowarded to me and the rest of my alliance I know the truth. Also there is nothing in the breach procedure that mention anything about 7 days. Im trying to decide if i should post the conversation between you and kong.

by seaborgium Tue May 25, 2010 6:09 pm

let me save you the trouble.

Spoiler:

I am sure I missed one of the last PMs or 2

But as I stated. Yes I did tell you 7 days, no its not in the policy. Once I had gotten more information from you guys and I confirmed with Ian and SA that you did mention it to them. I had our person make the payment.

I am hoping you learned that when information is presented and nothing is demanded from the start things happen a little easier. I am sure if you look at the these very forums you will find the same thing from admin.

Paladius wrote:And by the way the pm conversation between you and kingkongfan1 has been fowarded to me and the rest of my alliance I know the truth.

Just as ours is posted on our forum. I have nothing to hide. Unlike others in this game. I do not believe in behind the scenes deals or trades. I am one who is talk with all parties then go from there, but even I have my limits on what I will accept and won't. I was blunt with Kong when he was blunt with me demanding.

by Sandwalker Tue May 25, 2010 6:39 pm

They had 2 competitions, got to 2 mil army size and now they think they're too big for politeness. Blah, seen it a thousand times on a thousand games.

It's the internetz!

by Paladius Tue May 25, 2010 6:55 pm

Sandwalker wrote:They had 2 competitions, got to 2 mil army size and now they think they're too big for politeness. Blah, seen it a thousand times on a thousand games.

It's the internetz!

That is an unfair judgement, us black dragons don't think we are too big for politeness.

by Sandwalker Tue May 25, 2010 7:07 pm

I've seen a correlation between the two, sorry.

by ian Tue May 25, 2010 7:11 pm

Sandwalker wrote:I've seen a correlation between the two, sorry.

lol, i m sure they are still aware of their relative smallness (army size & numbers) and therefore the need for politeness i.e. what with FIRE's average army size being 2.6million+ (for 50 accounts), or World Republic's average army size being 1.4million+ (77+ accounts), or The Imperium's average army size being 4.6million+ (53 accounts).

by kingkongfan1 Tue May 25, 2010 7:12 pm

seaborgium wrote:let me save you the trouble.
Spoiler:
I am sure I missed one of the last PMs or 2

But as I stated. Yes I did tell you 7 days, no its not in the policy. Once I had gotten more information from you guys and I confirmed with Ian and SA that you did mention it to them. I had our person make the payment.

I am hoping you learned that when information is presented and nothing is demanded from the start things happen a little easier. I am sure if you look at the these very forums you will find the same thing from admin.

Paladius wrote:And by the way the pm conversation between you and kingkongfan1 has been fowarded to me and the rest of my alliance I know the truth.

Just as ours is posted on our forum. I have nothing to hide. Unlike others in this game. I do not believe in behind the scenes deals or trades. I am one who is talk with all parties then go from there, but even I have my limits on what I will accept and won't. I was blunt with Kong when he was blunt with me demanding.

I will admit that when I sent the REQUEST I emphisize REQUEST I had forgotten about the breach policy. as it had not long been signed when the event occured, but at the same time you, then or now had no right to behave, or state the false things that you did... BTW- I did not demand anything, not from you, nor from SA47, as anyone can plainly see I REQUESTed action be taken on an issue that at the time was already 7 days old & should have already been dealt with... the word DEMAND is nowhere in any message from me nor was my tone demanding... the only thing that I am guilty of is asking for too much compensation,( for both hits, instead of just the second), you've managed to prove the second part of why we seceded easy enough, now that the rest of the alliances can see what to expect I wonder how many more will be ready to leave the breach policy... for the record the Dragons have nothing to hide so I don't know WTH you are refering to... oh yeah I did demand one thing... that the Black Dragons secede from this policy, & we did... king

am I not polite when I state my opinion in forums??? cause I was not impolite nor demanding when I contacted seaborgium...@Ian- you sent me a message saying I could speak my mind without worrying about repercussions... cause your post sounds like a threat to me... what is up with that? yeah I admit we may be small now, so go ahead & do what you will, we can't stop you... what else do you want? we made a decision to leave what we consider a bad policy, & we are getting kicked around (in the forums anyway) for what we believe in... king

by seaborgium Tue May 25, 2010 7:24 pm

As far as I know there was only 4 with the policy. Now only 3. The policy was worked out on how to deal with breaching of farm policies. As posted you guys do not have a posted policy here on the forums, you have also said somewhere that you no longer have one. I wish you the best of luck with that.

Since you have conceded from the breech agreement then I wish you the best on how hits on you and by you are handled.

kingkongfan1 wrote:....see I REQUESTed action be taken on an issue that at the time was already 7 days old & should have already been dealt with... the word DEMAND is nowhere in any message from me nor was my tone demanding... the only thing that I am guilty of is asking for too much compensation,( for both hits, instead of just the second).....

I will conceded that no you did not come out demanding, but when you made first contact you did not say anything messaging anyone. If you read the breech policy...

ian wrote:1st breach of alliance policy = education & warning PM sent to the player committing the breach, which educates the person on the farm policy and warns to wait for the target to have more kuwal out the next time.The player's leader is also contacted.

it says a warning..... By asking for too much in your first contact with me that is demanding, to me. I am sorry if that is not what you meant but that is the way of the internet. Might I say that you may want to think more about what you want to say when you make first contact, make sure to include all information. I did the 7 day item due to how you approached me. Had you told me that you made contact with Ian and SA I would have asked you to wait a day while I ask them, then got back to you.

BTW... for everyone

This policy states how the alliance that have signed it will handle breeches on them not all breeches made. If you have not signed it you are free to handle it how you chose but be very mindful that the alliance that you deal with may not like how you handled it and my strike back. I know a few very hungry people in FIRE and TIE, and a few in WR that would love a chance to 'play', also some in other small hidden alliances that have no issue standing up to others, Buhcore Razz

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