Increase basic bank size

I think bank is too small. I recommend increasing basic bank size, so that it can hold 7 days of income.
Obviously if you increase bank size, you can have more kuwal, but I know that a lot of new players are unable to make the next weapon research even if they want to do only because their bank is too small and they dont know there is a posibility to increase bank size

If you increase your bank size through trade center to say 200%, you should be able to hold 14 days of income after the update.

Many players keep complaining bank size is too small.
Instead of leaving them angry with the small banks, they should get a favour and have banks which can hold 7 days of income.

Bank size is no problem for big players, but it is huge problem for small players who get farmed frequently, would like to research APC or IFV but cant, even though they are willing to save, ALL BECAUSE THE BANK SIZE IS TOO SMALL!

People always complain their bank is too small, haven't seen a game where this wasn't true

So let us make the bank small. I dont see a reason why it shoul be kept small.

I just explained you why we cant keep it as small as it is now.

why have a limitation and then make it so big its no longer a limitation?

As I said in the other thread, look at the other end of the spectrum, how big are the biggest banks now, if you amplify them haw many more upgrades can they buy, and how much further ahead will they pull?

to get a bigger bank all you got to do is grow, plus you have the option to buy a bigger bank.

I agree with Nomad. If your bank size is too small it means that you as a player/account are too young/small to get that upgrade. All the accounts were once new and it should take time before you can get the next upgrade. If you can't hold enough kuwal in your bank or with your defence then you shouldn't really have the next upgrade. Older accounts had to increase thier banks to get the lvls they are on now, why should it be any different for new players.

And I also agree with Nomad on the point that bigger players could then get even further ahead, and this would in effect cancel out the newer players new lvls, leaving them just as far behind but with a different name for thier weapons, and a bigger number on the page.

-Alex

Yup, bank size of 50m is exceptionally sufficient.
Figured I'd chime in, seeing how I have been playing as a very tiny one for a little month. 50m works fine.

If a new player complains about that it's because he doesn't know how to play.

Just think how it was 6 months before. We all did 2-4 days of protection in order to get lvls 8 and 9 ..... now all you have to do is raid a few players, go to market and convert the UUs into kuwal to get those.

So tell those complaining to put their lazy ass to work for 10 min .... if they can't do that they should try other games.

If someone is bothered by a bank size that is too small, maybe he/she should work on his income producing units in order to increase the bank size.
Plus there are other ways to store your Kuwal safely: attack turns, another player (needs SS and someone you trust), a broker noone in their right mind will accept (needs SS as well.)
You just need your creativity and possibly relationships with other players. Not bad to (learn to) use those.

Many players complain who have bank size much higher than 50m

They might have bank size 500 million but they would like to research the 900 million weapon research. We should give them the possibility to do that, without complicated methods of going on PPT for 4 days.

Kenzu wrote:They might have bank size 500 million but they would like to research the 900 million weapon research. We should give them the possibility to do that, without complicated methods of going on PPT for 4 days.

I completely agree with this argument!
After we increase bank size for the to 900 million, we definitely must increase it to 5bil so that they can afford the next weapon level too!

Actually, never mind, lets just make infinite bank size altogether. No point in limiting it at all.

*grin* I love how sarcastic that was.
It suffices. If it doesn't, grow it yourself.
Don't lean on admin to fill in your inadequacies.

Universe wrote:*grin* I love how sarcastic that was.
It suffices. If it doesn't, grow it yourself.
Don't lean on admin to fill in your inadequacies.

Impossible,
especially if you are a little player who has 20% population in defense, get farmed by IFV (level 10)
and has only Heavy Mortars (level 8 ) to protect oneself.

They cannot increase their bank size because they get farmed too much to make any progress and their defenses are insufficient with their weak weapons

You have no idea how big the problem is because you arent a small player.
A player, who want to research APC, need over 900 million in bank, which means he needs over 200.000 farmers. (10 million income per turn)

If the player doesn't log in for 12 hours, he will have 240 million kuwal out and will be farmed unless he has roughly 240 million defense
To have 240 million defense, he will need 63.157 armed super soldiers. (This means that he will need 64k defense, 40k spies and 40k assassins to protect 200k farmers income. He will have 38% of units in military to be safe and it will cost him 15.800.000.000 to buy and train so many supers alone. Where is he going to get the money from?. If he researched the 900 million APC technology he would need only 42.857 supers and that's a value of only 10.700.000.000).

(The attacker needs only 30.000 IFV to break through the defense)

Don't you think it's unfair?

Kenzu wrote:They cannot increase their bank size because they get farmed too much to make any progress and their defenses are insufficient with their weak weapons

Unless you somehow changed the game code in the last 5 minutes bank size can be increase with market reserves and there was no way in hell to be farmed out of market turns.

So ... as a piece of advice ..... think first and talk later.

Kenzu wrote:You have no idea how big the problem is because you arent a small player.
A player, who want to research APC, need over 900 million in bank, which means he needs over 200.000 farmers. (10 million income per turn)

If the player doesn't log in for 12 hours, he will have 240 million kuwal out and will be farmed unless he has roughly 240 million defense
To have 240 million defense, he will need 63.157 armed super soldiers. (This means that he will need 64k defense, 40k spies and 40k assassins to protect 200k farmers income. He will have 38% of units in military to be safe and it will cost him 15.800.000.000 to buy and train so many supers alone. Where is he going to get the money from?. If he researched the 900 million APC technology he would need only 42.857 supers and that's a value of only 10.700.000.000).

(The attacker needs only 30.000 IFV to break through the defense)

Don't you think it's unfair?

I think your small player is brain dead or similar.

63157-42857 = 20,300 UU

At current market prices he can get the 900 mil using 1.5 MTs and 9879 UUs.

6 against 1
I think the result is clear

For fun, and because I can:

Spoiler:

Kenzu wrote:You have no idea how big the problem is because you arent a small player.

Honey, I have been playing for 1 and half a month. I think my 25k army counts as pretty small, right?

Kenzu wrote:Don't you think it's unfair?

Nah, I don't. And I'm not the only one.

rflash wrote:

Kenzu wrote:They cannot increase their bank size because they get farmed too much to make any progress and their defenses are insufficient with their weak weapons

Unless you somehow changed the game code in the last 5 minutes bank size can be increase with market reserves and there was no way in hell to be farmed out of market turns.

So ... as a piece of advice ..... think first and talk later.

That's very nice, but it doesn't work for a novice who doesnt know how Trade Center works

rflash wrote:

Kenzu wrote:You have no idea how big the problem is because you arent a small player.
A player, who want to research APC, need over 900 million in bank, which means he needs over 200.000 farmers. (10 million income per turn)

If the player doesn't log in for 12 hours, he will have 240 million kuwal out and will be farmed unless he has roughly 240 million defense
To have 240 million defense, he will need 63.157 armed super soldiers. (This means that he will need 64k defense, 40k spies and 40k assassins to protect 200k farmers income. He will have 38% of units in military to be safe and it will cost him 15.800.000.000 to buy and train so many supers alone. Where is he going to get the money from?. If he researched the 900 million APC technology he would need only 42.857 supers and that's a value of only 10.700.000.000).

(The attacker needs only 30.000 IFV to break through the defense)

Don't you think it's unfair?

I think your small player is brain dead or similar.

63157-42857 = 20,300 UU

At current market prices he can get the 900 mil using 1.5 MTs and 9879 UUs.

That's very nice, but it doesn't work for a novice who doesnt know how Trade Center works

PS: If there would be no problems, I would not get so many messages from so many players bothering me about too small bank.

You provided no argument why the bank shouldn't be bigger. I provided why it should be bigger.
Besides, you might not care if people leave the game because they get upset about getting farmed and not being allowed to research new technology even though they are willing to save the kuwal for it. Some players left already. How about remove the option of new players registering? Most of them will get upset with the ridiculness of some things on AW anyway.

For fun, and because I can:

Spoiler:

Admin wrote:6 against 1
I think the result is clear

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Authors_Against_Einstein

"100 Autoren gegen Einstein"
und Einsteins Antwort darauf: "Wenn ich unrecht hätte, wäre einer genug!

1 day worth of ST of raiding (which, coincidentally, is cheaper at the low levels): 25k UU (that is if you suck at raiding, i.e. if you are a noob)
Trade-in value is little over 2.5B Kw. Sorry to say, but if you cannot scrounge together the dedication to get a bit of raiding done, but instead choose to send YOU messages about how small their banks are, then they suck.

Rather than enabling this conduct, you should teach them how to play. Not enable their whining by increasing bank sizes because some kids don't want to play the game.


(Edit: Nice save on the spoiler. )

Kenzu I think everyone here has brought up multiple points as to why its not needed, you just dont seem to acknowlege them.

And I hate to say it, but when I started I couldnt go 12 hrs without being farmed, why should they be allowed to. If they are lazy its their loss. You have options.
1. Learn to use the trade center
2. Buy a bigger bank
3. Increase your size, income, and bank capasity
4. Learn to use realm alert, motivation, and any other means of income control when away for extended periods.

Now please address those concern brought up against increasing bank space, like looking at the other end of the spectrum, and why have a limit at all if its so big its not even a limitation.

I dont see why there is a limit to the bank at all

Lol .... despite the arguments a couple of us presented your only counter argument was : I'm too stupid to understand what you are saying.

Now as you have seen admin added some guidelines in the bank page.

Now please don't come and say the excuse has just became "I'm too stupid to read"

rflash wrote:Lol .... despite the arguments a couple of us presented your only counter argument was : I'm too stupid to understand what you are saying.

Now as you have seen admin added some guidelines in the bank page.

Now please don't come and say the excuse has just became "I'm too stupid to read"

Ha ha ha

rflash wrote:Now please don't come and say the excuse has just became "I'm too stupid to read"

How is that not a valid argument?

You know how much easier it would be for me if people really weren't that dumb?

I can't imagine a world full of perfectionists

and about the bank size... its ok the way it is..

Survivor wrote:I can't imagine a world full of perfectionists

I wish for a world of people having at least the intelligence level of a fruit fly, but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon either.