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TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Kenzu Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:35 am
What do u guys say about a ceasefire based on Mutual agreement?
(such as if TIE agrees to a ceasefire then TOC also agrees and vice versa)
If TIE agrees to a ceasefire then TOC also agrees to a ceasefire which will last 3 days and is meant to be enough time for a peace treaty to be signed. During these 3 days the peace treaty should be negotiated and signed.
Ceasefire starts 5th july 2010, 00:01 gametime until 8th july 00:01 gametime.
Until ceasefire starts, regular war continues.
During ceasefire all hostile missions will be forbidden: Assault, sabotage, assassination, destruction, invasion, hunt assassin missions, all forbidden.
Farming and Raiding is allowed.
During ceasefire special farming rules apply, since TOC and TIE are not at peace. Minimum profit in farming is 100 million kuwal and UU price for the duration of the ceasefire is set at 148.000 kuwal per UU, which is the current buy price for UU on the SS market.
(such as if TIE agrees to a ceasefire then TOC also agrees and vice versa)
If TIE agrees to a ceasefire then TOC also agrees to a ceasefire which will last 3 days and is meant to be enough time for a peace treaty to be signed. During these 3 days the peace treaty should be negotiated and signed.
Ceasefire starts 5th july 2010, 00:01 gametime until 8th july 00:01 gametime.
Until ceasefire starts, regular war continues.
During ceasefire all hostile missions will be forbidden: Assault, sabotage, assassination, destruction, invasion, hunt assassin missions, all forbidden.
Farming and Raiding is allowed.
During ceasefire special farming rules apply, since TOC and TIE are not at peace. Minimum profit in farming is 100 million kuwal and UU price for the duration of the ceasefire is set at 148.000 kuwal per UU, which is the current buy price for UU on the SS market.
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by seaborgium Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:45 am
I say no, but if Ian says yes then so be it.
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Special Agent 47 Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:56 am
I would say that needs to be way better defined before you even start.
3 days is not enough. You, Ian, and Ishurue couldn't even get past the first point in 3 days.
Secondly a cease fire is just that, NO ATTACKS of any kind
PERIOD.
On a personal note I'd rather see people sent as alliance diplomats who can and will actually try to come to an agreement, not needlessly whine and bicker.
As Seaborgium said, what Ian says will go, but the proposal is broken in its current state.
3 days is not enough. You, Ian, and Ishurue couldn't even get past the first point in 3 days.
Secondly a cease fire is just that, NO ATTACKS of any kind
PERIOD.
On a personal note I'd rather see people sent as alliance diplomats who can and will actually try to come to an agreement, not needlessly whine and bicker.
As Seaborgium said, what Ian says will go, but the proposal is broken in its current state.
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Kenzu Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:14 am
Special Agent 47 wrote:I would say that needs to be way better defined before you even start.
3 days is not enough. You, Ian, and Ishurue couldn't even get past the first point in 3 days.
Secondly a cease fire is just that, NO ATTACKS of any kind
PERIOD.
On a personal note I'd rather see people sent as alliance diplomats who can and will actually try to come to an agreement, not needlessly whine and bicker.
As Seaborgium said, what Ian says will go, but the proposal is broken in its current state.
Who is TIE's diplomat?
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Lord Ishurue Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:19 am
Special Agent 47 wrote:I would say that needs to be way better defined before you even start.
3 days is not enough. You, Ian, and Ishurue couldn't even get past the first point in 3 days.
Secondly a cease fire is just that, NO ATTACKS of any kind
PERIOD.
On a personal note I'd rather see people sent as alliance diplomats who can and will actually try to come to an agreement, not needlessly whine and bicker.
As Seaborgium said, what Ian says will go, but the proposal is broken in its current state.
hmm
Lets wait and see , and go from there .
The First Empire war ( (O) vs (TIE) )
Peace discussion seemed to happen during the cease fire
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by seaborgium Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:21 am
@kenzu
https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/empires-f20/the-imperium-t838-45.htm#17336
I am sure that will tell you
https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/empires-f20/the-imperium-t838-45.htm#17336
I am sure that will tell you
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Vesper Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:06 am
I don't see why either side should agree to a cease fire. Not very hard to hit protection for a few days and try to get peace.
As far as I know the last TIE war ended when kenzu learned to shut the hell up and stepped down as leader. The peace treaty he offered was rejected by just about every single member of TIE HC. After Kismet began to negotiate on his behalf and he agreed to step down as leader the war ended. There was then peace server wide until he returned to leadership. If you want to question me about the server peace when kenzu was NOT leading an alliance check the dates of the wars. Kenzu stepped down early January and returned mid April. No posts regarding threats or policys or anything was created until he returned to leadership. Not saying that Kenzu is the cause of the wars on Aderan I am just saying that wars and Kenzu seem to coincide.Ishurue wrote:
The First Empire war ( (O) vs (TIE) )
Peace discussion seemed to happen during the cease fire
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Lucien Lachance Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:05 am
so since kenzu brought forward this proposal, does that mean TOC are getting creamed? cos me personally, i wouldnt stop a war if there was a chance of winning.... i have a feeling that ian will feel the same way.... but to be honest, i would have to agree with SA on this, the ceasefire agreement is very vague, and a ceasefire means NO ACTS OF VIOLENCE PERIOD, not we wont hit you until you have x amount out.... thats a farming policy..... and no offence kenzu mate, but your admins brother! between the two of you, you'll easily have more than 7 years playing these games, if anyone shoudl know the difference between a ceasefire and a farming policy if shoudl be you.... cause i know for a fact your brother's not daft.....
(im not making any personal attacks against anyone, just looking for a alittle clarification thats all)
SO QUESTION 1 IS:
Are TOC getting creamed or not?
and question 2 for me, if not why ask for a ceasefire/farming policy
(im not making any personal attacks against anyone, just looking for a alittle clarification thats all)
SO QUESTION 1 IS:
Are TOC getting creamed or not?
and question 2 for me, if not why ask for a ceasefire/farming policy
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Nigatsu_Aka Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:21 am
The farming attacks are like the crimes in a country... you cannot agree with thieves for a "ceasefire"... they see a big juicy unguarded bank, they rob it... they don't care about the pacts that the country leaders have.
IMO, a ceasefire means stoping all hostile actions... like massing/sabbing... it is related to waring, opposed to fighting a war... farming hist are not a war (It is indeed an act of violence, but it is not war. If it's proffitable, it would happen anytime, with or without the war)... farming also happens during a war... everywhere in a war, there will be pillages, etc... but they happen with the purpose to "gain" resource... not to destroy it, like it happens in the war.... i can see kenzu's point of view.
Also i can see why he is saying that farming and raiding should be allowed... if you want to keep the income/units, you build your defense... that way you are "forced" to accept the peace... if you don't build defense to keep the income during the negotiations, you have an easy way out for restarting the war, because you have nothing to lose... if i would be a leader of an alliance, i would not accept any other form of a ceasefire than this one.... unless, there is a more "friendly" opponent that can be trusted.
IMO, a ceasefire means stoping all hostile actions... like massing/sabbing... it is related to waring, opposed to fighting a war... farming hist are not a war (It is indeed an act of violence, but it is not war. If it's proffitable, it would happen anytime, with or without the war)... farming also happens during a war... everywhere in a war, there will be pillages, etc... but they happen with the purpose to "gain" resource... not to destroy it, like it happens in the war.... i can see kenzu's point of view.
Also i can see why he is saying that farming and raiding should be allowed... if you want to keep the income/units, you build your defense... that way you are "forced" to accept the peace... if you don't build defense to keep the income during the negotiations, you have an easy way out for restarting the war, because you have nothing to lose... if i would be a leader of an alliance, i would not accept any other form of a ceasefire than this one.... unless, there is a more "friendly" opponent that can be trusted.
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by curumo Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:23 am
Still 3 days of complete non attacking would help considerably ... I mean no borderline hits, no provokative hits ... just to make it a TAD easier on the diplomats ...
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Jiro Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:35 am
If we start thinking people suggesting peace is a sign of weakness, then peace is a long way off.
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by flwpwr Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:37 am
curumo wrote:Still 3 days of complete non attacking would help considerably ... I mean no borderline hits, no provokative hits ... just to make it a TAD easier on the diplomats ...
and yet, you make threats on other threads... hmm...
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Re: TOC-TIE Ceasefire
by Admin Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:40 am
I see no reason for the existance of this thread.
There is 1 Peace thread already, any proposals about ceasefire or naps or whatever will go into that one.
Time to draw up some rules about the war section, having 3-5 threads about a single war is getting ridiculous
There is 1 Peace thread already, any proposals about ceasefire or naps or whatever will go into that one.
Time to draw up some rules about the war section, having 3-5 threads about a single war is getting ridiculous
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