Bold rework of farming system [VERY LONG]

the average, yes I understand

the fact that by increasing the upper limit of the strikes capabilities above that of the defensive capabilities mean that a strike that could not previously hit said defense now can so it is infact a \"boost\" that was not there previously. Thats how I see it. couldnt hit before and win, can hit now and win.

as for the averages, yes I do infact see more clearly that there is a much worse factor of failing miserable the achieving the imposible.

Still cant say i understand why the % are not identical, but I trust admins wisdom enough to give it a go.


as I said, you are all looking at \"averages\" thats you math guys advantages. I\'m looking at the fact that a strike that could not hit me before and win, will be able to hit me a win now. yes its a chance, and yes he may fail 17 times but he can still beat me with a smaller strike.

flip side, hows this going to effect massings? we all know attack has the advantage of retraining, pretraining, and repairing on the fly, will this increasse the speed of massings, or on \"avereage\" will it remain the same?

how will this effect other things such as invasions and such?

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[quote=\"Kenzu\"]I will have to have 40% more strike than defender if I want to make sure not to fail in a farm attack, which is complete nonsense!

(Currently you need only 17% more strike than enemy defense to win)
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Kenzu makes a valid point that reflects my question, this will effect massings and such as to be sure all your strikes are succesful, you will need 23% more strike power.

I\'m still not against the overall idea BTW, I just can not get my head around certain points.

this is about farming, not assault missions. I don't know if it will apply to assault as well. My guess is it won't.

BUT: If you're super unlucky, all your attacks will be at 75% and all the defenses will be at 105%, in which case you can end up owning yourself. On average, the law of averages applies. Some might do it faster, some slower, overall it would be the same.

EDIT: The title of the thread is "Bold rework of farming system [VERY LONG]" <- notice the specific mention of the "FARMING" system.

put a small edit in SW


I say lets try it, even tho I dont understand it all, I trust you math guys well enough. Atleast it will start some wars I guess.

I bet you will see some strong stances being taken on the matter ingame tho, I'll tell you now, someone with a stike 25% less then my def farms me and hes a deadman.

You will see farmers getting sat on for long periods of time as well, not like it is now where its smash them and move on. a 1 off lucky random hit will get swift returns. Thats just my predictions anyway.

Beta first? or live server?

If you cant resist and have to make this update, then make 2 options for farming,

one with a strike attack like before (90%-105%)
and one option for the crazy attack (75%-120%)

or make a safe attack: 100%
and one risky attack: 75%-125%

Kenzu wrote:If you cant resist and have to make this update, then make 2 options for farming,

one with a strike attack like before (90%-105%)
and one option for the crazy attack (75%-120%)

or make a safe attack: 100%
and one risky attack: 75%-125%

lol. Talk about alternatives that will never be used.

i actually hate that their are non-killable units

Now time to crush the players defense with my superior attack strength!

Thank you very much admin! You made me even more powerful than before.

Zeroager wrote:Now time to crush the players defense with my superior attack strength!

Thank you very much admin! You made me even more powerful than before.

I predict farming with a high chance of fail in your future.

Nomad wrote:Beta first? or live server?

obviously beta first

Admin wrote:and hence the update that even if you're beat you still get some of the loot, and if you're close to being beat you get most of the loot, most of the time.

Which again tips the system in the attackers favor.
Because the defender is not 100% sure to keep their kuwal when they have a 14 mil def and you have a 10 mil strike.
But the attacker is 100% sure to steal all kuwal when they have a 14 mil strike and you have a 10 mil def.

Ok, I'm against all of these "changes".

That said, the attacker is still online 100% of the time during the attacks. The defender is not and doesn't have the chance to repair or retrain. Just as everyone else has stated. How does this help those who are defending? It doesn't. It hurts them more than anything. They have to repair on the random chance that someone with a much smaller strike than their own defense rolls snake eyes and gets the booty and end up not having the kuwal to repair or retrain.

Have a separate button option: To attack a much higher defense, you'll need to use more attack turns. It sorta goes with kenzu's suggestion, but will cost you more to attack if you want the more "risky" option. (I'm not saying take his numbers, just the higher strike randomness) The regular strike would be as it currently is. The "risky" one would be as advertised, however, would do 10% less damage to the defender because they are NOT online.

Regular button uses 10 AT + 3 ST..... Chance of higher strike random roll uses 20AT + 10 ST (since you get the chance of gaining all the defenders kuwal).

Kismet wrote:That said, the attacker is still online 100% of the time during the attacks. The defender is not and doesn't have the chance to repair or retrain.

Last time I checked you had to be online to farm, unless you're using a bot which is illegal. So not really a change, is it?
Plus retraining or repairing for the defender isn't relevant to this topic, it only matter if you are massing (note the topic title, no "massing" in it, so what matters is the first and only farm hit while you're asleep or whatever.

Kismet wrote:How does this help those who are defending? It doesn't.

As a matter of fact it does help those who are defending. Right now if someone can beat your defense, you're certain to lose everything you have on hand. So you will definitely not have enough after it to repair and retrain. After the update the frequency of attacks will go up, however the average stealing will go down from the current 95% to around 30-70%

The change will be in favor of those who cannot build a high enough defense to not get attacked (basically all small players), instead of losing everything, they will only lose a half or so but get attacked more often, and against those who can build a high enough def to be protected from even the biggest strike (basically all large players), instead of never getting attacked, they will get attacked but not lose as much %-wise as small accounts.

Kismet wrote:They have to repair on the random chance that someone with a much smaller strike than their own defense rolls snake eyes and gets the booty and end up not having the kuwal to repair or retrain.

Could you please be so kind and quote the part where I said that the smaller strike has some off chance to steal some kuwal but only a fraction of a larger strike can steal, so that I'm sure you read that part and understood that what you just said about a smaller strike stealing kuwal and you not having enough to repair afterwards makes no sense whatsoever?

seems like quite a controversial update to me
“People who make no mistakes lack boldness and the spirit of adventure. They are the brakes on the wheels of progress.”

darkshield wrote:seems like quite a controversial update to me
“People who make no mistakes lack boldness and the spirit of adventure. They are the brakes on the wheels of progress.”

the genes of people who take too many risks will rarely spread around this world

true true, but if they were not there life would be very dull don't u think. and i believe that the update should at least get a test run to see if it is a good idea.

darkshield wrote:
true true, but if they were not there life would be very dull don't u think. and i believe that the update should at least get a test run to see if it is a good idea.

agree, lets test it out.