Attack/Raid changes

in the above you need to factor in peace settings.

I dont see the need to mandated war settings, unless they change back on their own. It makes far to much work to keep a farming list.

Also the War vs War setting defeats the pourpose because if implemented I'll simply set war to every account on the server to negate their advantage

Released and now an Idea

was playing with the possibility of giving people the chance to simply make farmlists, you can see the list just like you can see a list of people you declared war on, but with the difference that they dont get that annoying "xxx set you to war" message.

Now comes the fun part.
Should Person A wish to declare actual war on Person B, then A will receive another 10% off repair costs and 10% off unit losses on farm attacks.

However, should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)

(In this one way war relation, B does not get the cheaper farming bonus, neither does A get the "kill more units with each hit" bonus)

Should person B decide to declare war back on A then both people will receive cheaper farming bonus. In addition to that B will kill units 30% faster than normal. Person A (the one who declared war first) will kill units 20% faster than normal.

Should either party declare peace or neutral during a two way war declaration then the other party will have their relation reset to neutral (obviously along with a message so they can set war again immediately should they wish to do so)

Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.

Standard rules apply. Numbers are just a pointer, system is to be commented upon.

This is too complicated.
Should be more simple.

Disagree with the complicated differences
and
Disagree that my relation towards someone else changes without my consent.

I suggest the following:

A declares war on B
A farms 10% cheaper
B farms as before

A declares war on B
B declares war on A

A farms 10% more expensive
B farms 10% more expensive

Basically if you declare war on someone else, you can farm cheaper, but if both declare war on each other, both farm 10% more expensive. because the units are prepared that the other one will attack and fight harder.

This will lead to more war relations and keeping peace relations only with people you trust.

PS: But I prefer not to make any changes at all.

Kenzu wrote:
A declares war on B
B declares war on A

A farms 10% more expensive
B farms 10% more expensive

So you're giving people a way to be farmed harder. A week ago you were advocating farm cost reductions, now you're giving cake to defenders, unwarranted cake to be exact.

Kenzu wrote:This is too complicated.
Should be more simple.

it's very simple

you declare war on someone
they can mass you for less kuwal
they declare war back, they can mass for even less kuwal, but so can you

doesn't get any simpler than that

I like the overall concept but feel the % are WAY WAY to high.

Please keep in mind, it only takes what 14 or 15 hits to 0 weapons. Add another 30% to that and how much easier will it be?

Secondly, another point that should be instituted is after a set time, like 48hrs or 72hrs, or even 7 days, the below effect is removed

should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)

as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.

Let's not make any changes to the farm costs based on relations AT ALL!

There are more important things to be coded first!

Kenzu wrote:Let's not make any changes to the farm costs based on relations AT ALL!

There are more important things to be coded first!

Like what?

I am skeptical of cost changes as well, but I'll give Admin 100% of my backing because he has earned it through his diligence, consistancy, and the fact he listens, asks, and accepts suggestions. We owe him that. If this is the update he wants to do, then let him.

30% is still WAY WAY to high

Nomad wrote:as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.

you can remove the effect completely for both sides by simply changing relation from war to anything else

Admin wrote:

Nomad wrote:as its worded now, its possible to retain that bonus for weeks, months, even years. It needs to be limited, or make a way to counter it, such as a peace setting from account A to account B.

you can remove the effect completely for both sides by simply changing relation from war to anything else

ok, let me get this right

Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.

So I set war to you, and i cant change it for 48 hrs, giving you 48 hrs to strike back with the high % bonus, but after 48hrs I set you to peace or neutral and it negates the bonus. Correct?

another draw back would be losses from farming live accounts without setting war, but I'm ok with that personally.

I say increase the amount of turns it costs, decrease repair prices,

this will make smaller players more protected,
huge players less protected,

as each attack will have a higher base value even against tiny defenses.

Nomad wrote:
So I set war to you, and i cant change it for 48 hrs, giving you 48 hrs to strike back with the high % bonus, but after 48hrs I set you to peace or neutral and it negates the bonus. Correct?

Yup but then you also lose the cheaper farming bonus

Nomad wrote:another draw back would be losses from farming live accounts without setting war, but I'm ok with that personally.

well not declaring war simply means you lose out on a bonus that would make it cheaper for you to farm them, but should they retaliate then the war setting to them will make it a bit cheaper to mass you

Admin wrote:Released and now an Idea

was playing with the possibility of giving people the chance to simply make farmlists, you can see the list just like you can see a list of people you declared war on, but with the difference that they dont get that annoying "xxx set you to war" message.

Now comes the fun part.
Should Person A wish to declare actual war on Person B, then A will receive another 10% off repair costs and 10% off unit losses on farm attacks.

However, should B ever do any of the other missions onto A (assault, destroy, etc.) then they will kill A's units 20% faster than normal, due to the hate the B's soldiers will have towards A's realm (in effect making retaliation cheaper)

(In this one way war relation, B does not get the cheaper farming bonus, neither does A get the "kill more units with each hit" bonus)

Should person B decide to declare war back on A then both people will receive cheaper farming bonus. In addition to that B will kill units 30% faster than normal. Person A (the one who declared war first) will kill units 20% faster than normal.

Should either party declare peace or neutral during a two way war declaration then the other party will have their relation reset to neutral (obviously along with a message so they can set war again immediately should they wish to do so)

Another update that would be done along with this is that you cannot change the war relation onto another type to someone who you attacked less than 48 hours ago.

Standard rules apply. Numbers are just a pointer, system is to be commented upon.

That's a very good system.

We should have a more complex system for relations, not just war/neutral/peace .... something like war/hostile/neutral/friendly/peace .... you can have farms on hostile, but maybe when you show people with hostile those with war should be seen too ..... or if something more complicated is wanted we can have a 7 step relation system ..... war/hostile/annoying/neutral/no idea/friendly/peace.

no that's too complicated, the best you can expect is that you can actually farmlist someone, showing up as separate category in relation lists

Farmlists make sense, but why not consider a way to let the other player know and understand that you aren't declaring an actual "War" on their account? I've had quite a few people dislike my old declaration of war habits I've learned from Dune Wars, and Gate Wars.