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Post by Kenzu on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:07 pm

Why did the commonwealth suddently become an official alliance?

Has roughly 6.3 million population and 2,339,441,189 total power (WR has 7.2 million population and 7,977,480,528 total power)

Why were you bragging about your power so much and trying to put WR in a bad light?
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Post by Admin on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:09 pm

suddenly? i think it was obvious, let alone stated several times over, that they would make themselves visible in the near future.

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Post by ian on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:52 pm

Kenzu wrote:Why did the commonwealth suddently become an official alliance?

Has roughly 6.3 million population and 2,339,441,189 total power (WR has 7.2 million population and 7,977,480,528 total power)

Why were you bragging about your power so much and trying to put WR in a bad light?

lol, World Republic in a bad light? Your kidding me right? World republic is a sick joke. You just said it yourself pretty much. 7,200,000 population. 76 players. 7,200,000 / 76 = 94,736 average army size. Your average power is 7,977,480,528 / 76 = 104,966,849 average power.

The Commonwealth:

19 members. 6,300,000 / 19 = 331,578 average army size. 2,339,441,189 power / 19 = 123,128,483 average power.

The Commonwealth has been around since May the 11th. Its now August the 28th. Thats 3months 17 days. World Republic has been around since day 1 - thats 8months 28 days.

The Commonwealth's entire memberbase is literally less than 4months old (2 of which are less than a week old).... and unless i m mistaken, gives The Commonwealth the 3rd or 4th highest average army size on the game - potentially even the 2nd or 3rd highest average before too long (depending on if we can catch The Others up economically - and depending on how The Emperors compare to us). In terms of Unit Production, we are eithier 2nd highest average per member - or have highest average per member - depending on how The Company compares. This is for a alliance who literally does not have a player with a account over 4months old vs. the other major alliances 8months+.

But, lets talk about World Republic shall we? Your economy is frankly terrible, and given the completely shocking state of your economic capabilities - the fact you have the military power average that you do, pretty much indictates that should World Republic get involved in a proper war, then your all but doomed - since you d be talking about loosing HUGE chunks of your accounts, with virtually no economic base to rebuild it back up or to continue the fight against the enemy.

Laugh all you want at The Commonwealth's "small" combined army size and our "small" combined/ average military power. I find such massive ignorance highly amusing, and actually wish it would be more wide-spread, it just makes my job as leader of The Commonwealth, so much easier in progressing towards our objectives Wink
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Post by ian on Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:55 pm

Admin wrote:ian, i order you to entertain me Very Happy

lol, all in good time .... though myself and TC are starting to get "hungry", and one or 2 alliances are really starting to look tasty Smile

edit: Also kenzu - The Commonwealth isn't 6.3million combined army size, its above 6.8million army size.

Thus 6,800,000 / 19 = 357,894 average army size vs. World Republic's 94,736 average army size. 357,894 / 94,736 = 3.77. TC members are thus 3.77 times larger than WR's players are on average.....

It also means we are about 400,000 army size behind WR in combined army size. So i d say in less than a week - 2 weeks at maximum, if our memberbases remain the same - then TC will have overtaken WR, becoming the 3rd largest (in total army size) on the game Smile
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Post by jerry1 on Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:10 pm

All I got to say to this so far is 'lol'

As has been said many times already in various threads - The Commonwealth was always going to become public it was just a matter of when... that would be now. As for saying anything about WR see the attack logs maybe? Less said!

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Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:16 am

ian wrote:
Admin wrote:ian, i order you to entertain me Very Happy
Also kenzu - The Commonwealth isn't 6.3million combined army size, its above 6.8million army size.

Thus 6,800,000 / 19 = 357,894 average army size vs. World Republic's 94,736 average army size. 357,894 / 94,736 = 3.77. TC members are thus 3.77 times larger than WR's players are on average.....

It also means we are about 400,000 army size behind WR in combined army size. So i d say in less than a week - 2 weeks at maximum, if our memberbases remain the same - then TC will have overtaken WR, becoming the 3rd largest (in total army size) on the game Smile

As promised (less than 2 days after Kenzu made this topic):

Alliance Army size [Rank]: 8,160,365 [3]..... One of our members was recalled/ requested back from a diplomatic mission, now that SOME of The Commonwealth is visible, to march under our banner. Don't worry - we ll be recalling up more of our reserves as and when we need them Wink

1,360,365 army size jump in less than a day and a half. Next target: Rank 2 army size. It shouldn't be more than a week or 2 - 3 weeks at tops before we achieve this.
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Re: The Commonwealth became an official alliance.

Post by Hai-Shulud on Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:41 am

Hahahahahah World Republic actually want to be considered as a serious alliance??? 77 members on my last count and im willing to bet it would take TC hmmmmmm..... about 2 days to collapse your entire economy and turn the accounts you have that cant already be considered just farms into premium grade farms

Listen Kenzu mate, im only trying to help you here. Do yourself and everyone else here a favour and go and read up on The Commonwealth on the DuneWars forums. If you dont Ian will write out our lifestory in a post long enough to make your eyes bleed Very Happy

Once you read up a little youll realise what your up against here. Please dont litter these forums with your attempt at being funny.

Your best bet now is hoping that there is never a vote within TC to go to war..... because i cant remember the last time such a vote failed..... ever Twisted Evil
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Re: The Commonwealth became an official alliance.

Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:52 am

Hai-Shulud wrote:Your best bet now is hoping that there is never a vote within TC to go to war..... because i cant remember the last time such a vote failed..... ever Twisted Evil

LMAO Very Happy We actually had that vote already. Kenzu's just lucky Geto-dacii decided to draw our attention at the time instead. Fortunately i m prepared to give WR the benefit of the doubt at the moment... but if i see many more topics/ comments like this one, as leader i ll have no choice but to perform my constitutional duties and act as the democratic majority have demanded Very Happy Razz Wink

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Post by Hai-Shulud on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:01 am

LOL Very Happy Ooooh yeah now i remember. Hmmmm thats a shame, at least if we hadnt been distracted, instead of blowing hot air at each other here we would have some evidence to back it up with.

Well the luck of the Irish I say, must have rubbed off from all the midget accounts you have there Razz
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Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:08 am

Hai-Shulud wrote:LOL Very Happy Ooooh yeah now i remember. Hmmmm thats a shame, at least if we hadnt been distracted, instead of blowing hot air at each other here we would have some evidence to back it up with.

Well the luck of the Irish I say, must have rubbed off from all the midget accounts you have there Razz

lol, be patient, we ll get our war soon enough Smile I m fairly certain someone's gonna get trigger happy and mass The Commonwealth soon - at the moment its probably a race between the World Republic, or Castravete/ The Others on who gets the honour of fighting The Commonwealth first. We are basically threatening the World Republic openly on this forum, so its only a matter of time before they snap and hit us - and The Others seem hell bent on trying to see just how far they can push our patience before The Commonwealth (TC) decides to retaliate against them.

[23 Aug] 05:45 Castravete Victory 5 582 162,924,480 1,250,961
[23 Aug] 05:45 Castravete Victory 37 605 175,940,928 9,304,888
[23 Aug] 05:44 Castravete Victory 74 628 172,988,160 18,018,661
[23 Aug] 05:44 Castravete Victory 108 653 175,804,416 26,708,378
[23 Aug] 05:44 Castravete Victory 138 678 173,387,136 33,435,735
[23 Aug] 05:43 Castravete Victory 169 651 184,216,032 43,039,616
[23 Aug] 05:43 Castravete Victory 180 656 197,195,040 48,646,606
[23 Aug] 05:42 Castravete Victory 215 624 184,172,736 53,592,029
[23 Aug] 05:42 Castravete Victory 223 637 199,689,984 59,420,686

[23 Aug] 05:40 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 815 ????
[23 Aug] 05:40 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 814 ????
[23 Aug] 05:40 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 953 ????
[23 Aug] 05:39 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 1,046 ????
[23 Aug] 05:39 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 935 ????
[23 Aug] 05:39 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 965 ????
[23 Aug] 05:38 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 1,094 ????
[23 Aug] 05:37 ???? Sabotage Destroyed: 967 ????

My money's on WR at the moment... as i don't think The Others realised they were massing a Commonwealth member at the time (since TC was still not visible when they massed him), hence why i ve let the above go... but, it would be very very ill advised for them to try repeating that stunt again (or even assaulting, sabbing or assassinating a Commonwealth member just once more).... since that would result in inevitable retaliation by The Commonwealth.

I m kinda glad my accounts geared for war, the future's certainly going to be very eventful and fun Smile


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Post by Hai-Shulud on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:19 am

You know what i miss Ian, the days when people werent soo touchy about being massed. I dunno, i kinda like getting massed, gives me an excuse to wage war Twisted Evil

For those of you who dont know me im the TC's resident warmonger. I love a bit of cake and war, its like Christmas come early for me. But you know what Ian is like , always diplomacy first and upholding justice and that. So we will just sit here and poke you waiting for you to bite.

Ohh come on do. itll be ever so lovely.
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Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:25 am

Hai-Shulud wrote:You know what i miss Ian, the days when people werent soo touchy about being massed. I dunno, i kinda like getting massed, gives me an excuse to wage war Twisted Evil

For those of you who dont know me im the TC's resident warmonger. I love a bit of cake and war, its like Christmas come early for me. But you know what Ian is like , always diplomacy first and upholding justice and that. So we will just sit here and poke you waiting for you to bite.

Ohh come on do. itll be ever so lovely.

LOL, well, on Aderan wars i m gonna love wars i think Very Happy

Pretty much all the major players have let their greed (whether greed for military power, rather than just keeping the minimum military forces necessary to get the job done, or greed for extra income) get the better of them, and the result is they now have 100,000's of UU each which can be killed Smile With UU rates at 120,000 kuwal - 10,000 UU is worth 1.2billion kuwal. The first proper prolonged war on this game (as oppossed to the tiny skirmishes which have so far happened involving alliances massing 1 or 2 of each others players... and thats it) is going to result in lots and lots of body bags being sent home, and tons of kuwal's worth of damage Very Happy Entire accounts will be set back by months, and the result will be entire alliances will be set back by months Very Happy:)Smile

I mean.. have you added up some of the resources invested in players defences alone? I.e. most largish players have 40,000+ defence supers with level 9 weapons.

Thats 40,000 x 120,000 = 4,800,000,000 kuwal's worth in UU value
40,000 x 150,000 = 6,000,000,000 kuwals worth to train defence supers
40,000 x 112,000 = 4,480,000,000 kuwals worth in weapons

Thats 15,280,000,000 kuwal's worth minimum - a lot have more than 40,000 defence supers. Then include spies and assassin amounts - thats at least another 20 - 40billion's worth needed to adequately protect those sort of defences... then factor in strikes (which can be killed) - then factor in income units SmileSmileSmile

I actually can't wait for someone to look at the alliance-power ranking, think "oh, the commonwealth aren't that powerful... lets start a war", and then start one. AW is a target rich heaven at the moment lol
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Post by Hai-Shulud on Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:41 am

Hahahaha SSSSHHHHH dont tell them!! Itll be us getting the Sinath size score Twisted Evil

This has to be the best game of this type ever. Compliments to you admin, its very well thought out.
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Post by Admin on Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:35 am

Hai-Shulud wrote:This has to be the best game of this type ever. Compliments to you admin, its very well thought out.
much appreciated, already have a few neat ideas for the advanced research facility Smile
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Post by Sandwalker on Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:01 pm

This is quite fun to watch from the sidelines.

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Post by Admin on Sun Aug 30, 2009 2:27 pm

Sandwalker wrote:This is quite fun to watch from the sidelines.
Depends actually, cos despite kenzu's talk, i wonder who you'll be hurting more if you mass them, the alliance or the game.
he does spend a lot of time approaching new players on his own and showing them some first steps and giving them advice.

Not saying that's a reason why he must not be massed by anyone under any circumstances or whatever, i'm just saying whoever wants to go to war with WR maybe will chose the massing targets appropriately, in order not to push new players to the brink of deleting their accounts (as they very often like to do after getting massed once)
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Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:43 pm

Admin wrote:
Sandwalker wrote:This is quite fun to watch from the sidelines.
Depends actually, cos despite kenzu's talk, i wonder who you'll be hurting more if you mass them, the alliance or the game.
he does spend a lot of time approaching new players on his own and showing them some first steps and giving them advice.

Not saying that's a reason why he must not be massed by anyone under any circumstances or whatever, i'm just saying whoever wants to go to war with WR maybe will chose the massing targets appropriately, in order not to push new players to the brink of deleting their accounts (as they very often like to do after getting massed once)

lol, well i can't speak for anyone else out there.... but if ever TC goes to war against World Republic, we d only target their main players (as oppossed to the noobs). As it is... as i ve already said - when TC was gearing up to mass WR, at the time it was due to WR getting involved in a personal conflict and smashing a noob. That was 3 weeks ago... i see no reason to target WR now Smile
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Post by Admin on Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:06 pm

ian wrote: at the time it was due to WR getting involved in a personal conflict and smashing a noob.
as i recall it was an experienced noob massing an ubernoob, hence WR went in to protect their assets
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Post by Nomad on Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:39 pm

Admin wrote:
ian wrote: at the time it was due to WR getting involved in a personal conflict and smashing a noob.
as i recall it was an experienced noob massing an ubernoob, hence WR went in to protect their assets

Well many recall it much differently, might want to revisit the thread.
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Post by ian on Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:43 pm

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ian wrote: at the time it was due to WR getting involved in a personal conflict and smashing a noob.
as i recall it was an experienced noob massing an ubernoob, hence WR went in to protect their assets

LOL, well, eithier way.... it didn't seem like fair play to me that a alliance of 60+ players smashing a small player (merely reacting to threats against him) without any attempt at diplomacy or issuing any warning first. World Republic also were happy enough to threaten several commonwealth members when they first joined the game - telling them not to farm WR's inactives due to the inactives being reserved for WR members etc... I guess thats also WR "protecting their assets?"

If they are protecting their assets, i guess its a good job i m a firm supporter of imperialism on online games Very Happy Razz Wink
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Post by Nomad on Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:55 pm

Intresting fact if you read the thread, he was offered term of surrender prior to WR massing him, and his alliance mate even asked if there were any objections.
cjl wrote:Tack has given SS a surrender opportunity. If this opportunity is refused, Tack will continue to farm without mercy and if anything is built, he will destroy it- any objections?

The first response by ANY WR member was
Kenzu wrote:Partytime is over. That's the problem when you mess with the wrong guys. skyshadow is new to the game, and I don't want him to be harrassed by anyone. He is a World Republic member, which means he receives full protection. It is foolish to think that someone could win against World Republic.

tackless-shadow ()
population 16.800 (Gametime 16:00)
=>population 14,841 (Gametime 16:10)
Supers and Miners killed!

Set skyshadow to peace and dont attack him please.
Not a single attempt at diplomacy, even tho TS had attempted it by offering terms of surrender.

It is foolish to think that someone could win against World Republic.
Guess since everybody other then noobs know WR are the best farms in the game that there are alot of foolish people here Laughing
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Post by Admin on Sun Aug 30, 2009 6:25 pm

Nomad wrote:Not a single attempt at diplomacy, even tho TS had attempted it by offering terms of surrender.
lol, never said kenzu approached it correctly, just saying that offering terms of surrender to someone who has very little clue about the game itself and most likely doesn't even know of the existence of these forums is kinda useless.

whatever, nuff said
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Post by Hai-Shulud on Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:14 pm

The Commonwealth prides itself on its efficiency and logic. We would never waste any resources on noobs or players with nothing to mass. All our actions are governed by a set of base principles and often cold logic.

Admin - Kenzu might be good at recruiting but we are very good at turning noobs into actual players. Call it selective breeding Very Happy

Personally i think WR is not an alliance as much as a glorified farm for its core members. They are slaves and they will be freed, by us or by someone else Smile If they reform perhaps then i will have some respect but currently doing the maths itll be easier and cheaper to turn them all into farms than put up with some of their policies.

PS- Ian please please dont start about the imperialism Razz otherwise we are all gonna get banned for spamming Crying or Very sad
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Post by ian on Mon Aug 31, 2009 5:16 pm

Hai-Shulud wrote:The Commonwealth prides itself on its efficiency and logic. We would never waste any resources on noobs or players with nothing to mass. All our actions are governed by a set of base principles and often cold logic.

Admin - Kenzu might be good at recruiting but we are very good at turning noobs into actual players. Call it selective breeding Very Happy

Personally i think WR is not an alliance as much as a glorified farm for its core members. They are slaves and they will be freed, by us or by someone else Smile If they reform perhaps then i will have some respect but currently doing the maths itll be easier and cheaper to turn them all into farms than put up with some of their policies.

PS- Ian please please dont start about the imperialism Razz otherwise we are all gonna get banned for spamming Crying or Very sad

lol, efficiency and logic wins hands down any day over any other strategy/tactic out there. Its due to efficiency and logic that The Commonwealth is now Aderan War's 2nd largest economic force in terms of the average economic generation per player in the alliance - daily economic generation = (Total Unit Production x UU rate) + (Turn Income x 48). Its efficiency and logic which means come October, with a bit of luck, we ll be Aderan Wars largest alliance in terms of economic generation, closely followed by becoming the most capable alliance in terms of military capabilities (we are already the most war-ready alliance in terms of how little we have to loose to enemy action in war) Wink

As for new players - "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Give a man a net, and teach him to fish - and feed him for a life time"
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Re: The Commonwealth became an official alliance.

Post by Kenzu on Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:59 am

I wonder where the fiery temper of The Commonwealth might lead.
Going to war with many alliances for no apparent reason.

Doesn't seem like the best way to become rank 1 alliance for me.
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