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Improve race differences

Post by Kenzu on Fri May 01, 2009 9:22 am

I think that the following race bonuses should be changed:

TECHNOLOGY BONUS CHANGE:

Hualu
FROM
- 1% Discount on all Basic Technologies
CHANGE TO
- 3% Discount on all Basic Technologies (3%+2% banking bonus = 5% x 4 = 20%)

Miraya
- 10% Discount on Basic Defense Technologies
CHANGE TO
- 20% Discount on Basic Defense Technologies

Daning
- 10% Discount on Basic Attack Technologies
CHANGE TO
- 25% Discount on Basic Attack Technologies

Kyora
- 10% Discount on Basic Covert Technologies
CHANGE TO
- 12.5% Discount on Basic Covert Technologies
- 12.5% Discount on Basic Assassin Technologies

BONUS POINT CHANGE:

Furthermore I propose to raise
Attack Bonus (1 Point equals to 1% increase in attack)
TO:
Attack Bonus (1 Point equals to 1.35% increase in attack)

to bring it to defense bonus and add incentive for aggressive players.
Defence Bonus (1 Point equals to 1.35% increase in defence)

Add the possibility to distribute bonus points to assassin too.
I recommend:
Assassin Bonus (1 Point equals to 1.5% increase in assassin)

WHY TO DO THIS:

I propose these changes because I see that from the top 30 players the race distribution is as follows:
20 Hualu
7 Miraya
2 Daning
1 Kyora

From the top 90 players the distribution is as follows:
44 Hualu (20-12-12)
27 Miraya (7-9-11)
10 Daning (2-4-2)
11 Kyora (1-5-5)

It is clear that Daning and Kyora must be strengthened more!

Therefore it is important to improve bonuses for Kyora and Daning to make the races even more balanced out and see them distributed in a more equal manner.


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Re: Improve race differences

Post by october 17 on Fri May 01, 2009 9:27 am

why not go all out and allow for bonus points for airforce
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Kenzu on Fri May 01, 2009 9:31 am

october 17 wrote:why not go all out and allow for bonus points for airforce

because the airforce isn't here yet, BUT I think we should add it as soon as air force comes out.
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by october 17 on Fri May 01, 2009 9:39 am

whynot have it done and ready incase some idiot wants it
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by chaos on Fri May 01, 2009 2:07 pm

FOR SOME NO NEED FOR CHANGE = NO CHANGE

the top 100 players are 2/3 of the people who are active

they will not change thier race.

if you are to change anything, like you said, improve the danning/ocyra, but d not punish/penalise the other races, becuase of the choice they made over 100 days ago.

i personally choose Hualu, because i saw in the long term that not having the 2% deposit fee would be a golden asset. This maybe an asset at this moment, hwoever as technology % thigns inrease in cost, the golden asset will move into favour of the other 3 races.
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Admin on Fri May 01, 2009 2:26 pm

well the banking bonus value goes beyond simple addition toward tech bonus.
cos often enough you bank to save up for a mass, or to buy uu's etc.

that's why even if there would be such a change made and lets say miraya gets 20% def tech bonus. then hualu would have to get 2% on each tech tops (4 x 2%+2%=16)

Doing attack tech, considering the lack of daning picked globally, higher than defense tech also makes a bit of sense. However I'm strictly against personal bonus equivalence.
Kyora bonus increase is a good idea too.

Main thing, in the future I think steps will be taken to generally nerf miraya and hualu and buff daning and kyora
but the steps will be slow as i rather do 3 small steps than one large step and run past the intended objective
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by jack5000 on Fri May 01, 2009 6:40 pm

Kenzu wrote:

WHY TO DO THIS:

I propose these changes because I see that from the top 30 players the race distribution is as follows:
20 Hualu
7 Miraya
2 Daning
1 Kyora


well actually in top 10 army sizes=2 kyora

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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Kenzu on Fri May 01, 2009 8:33 pm

jack5000 wrote:
Kenzu wrote:

WHY TO DO THIS:

I propose these changes because I see that from the top 30 players the race distribution is as follows:
20 Hualu
7 Miraya
2 Daning
1 Kyora


well actually in top 10 army sizes=2 kyora

Yes, but since you are the only kyora there, Kyora should get some aid.
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Kenzu on Mon May 25, 2009 1:20 am

Race specific bonuses should be doubled so that there will be bigger difference between them!
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Sandwalker on Mon May 25, 2009 1:36 pm

Kenzu wrote:
jack5000 wrote:
Kenzu wrote:

WHY TO DO THIS:

I propose these changes because I see that from the top 30 players the race distribution is as follows:
20 Hualu
7 Miraya
2 Daning
1 Kyora


well actually in top 10 army sizes=2 kyora

Yes, but since you are the only kyora there, Kyora should get some aid.

is he ?

I agree kyora should get a tiny boost tho.


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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Lucien Lachance on Mon May 25, 2009 1:48 pm

why not think baout techs that are race specific, simimalr to those used in dunewars, although very different at the same time, whereas on dunewars, if you could afford a tech you could have it regardless race, why not having a simialr system but have the techs tied in to whichever race you are....
as an example you woudl have covert techs for covert orientated races, dependant on which techs you shose you could recieve bonuses such as boosts to covert power, lesser losses during assasin / sab missions, you could even incorperate other players suggestions such as the false reports previously discussed etc...
this is just one example of the four chosen races, but woudl help in differentiating the race differences....

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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Kenzu on Mon May 25, 2009 9:40 pm

Ragnarok wrote:why not think baout techs that are race specific, simimalr to those used in dunewars, although very different at the same time, whereas on dunewars, if you could afford a tech you could have it regardless race, why not having a simialr system but have the techs tied in to whichever race you are....
as an example you woudl have covert techs for covert orientated races, dependant on which techs you shose you could recieve bonuses such as boosts to covert power, lesser losses during assasin / sab missions, you could even incorperate other players suggestions such as the false reports previously discussed etc...
this is just one example of the four chosen races, but woudl help in differentiating the race differences....

I think all races should be able to improve all techs, however races should have much cheaper tech research in their own field.

Kyora for example should have much cheaper assassin and spy techs than other races.

I propose doubling effect by how much techs are cheaper.
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by Admin on Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:05 pm

New race bonuses can be seen on the register page or on the page where you change your race/personal bonus.

Old bonuses can be seen on first post.
Additionally
Hualu has 1.5% discount on weapon, spy skill and assassin skill advancements.
Miraya and daning have 10% discount on weapon techs
Kyora has 7.5% on spy skill and assassin skill advancements
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Re: Improve race differences

Post by stars on Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:26 am

i believe these large bonus changes will bring a large turnover in racial wars. Hope your plan is best for all players rather than only certain players

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