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Post by fivel Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:00 pm

after a bad hit on a muj member when asked for repayment, his answer was: the hit was made for WAR EXP not for profit (we are talking about a farm hit).
SO, we made a few hits for war exp ourself
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Post by MCHammer Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:41 pm

Post all the information about the hit possible or else all those hits will be unreasonable for me..
Also I would like you to use the formulas that you used to calculate the part with the "no profit" that made it a bad hit.
Then I will post something..

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Post by fivel Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:32 pm

The formula used is the same that TMI uses, and the detailed battle report you can get it from your alliance mate (he lost little over 66k soldiers armed with MLRS for little over 80bil i think)
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Post by Steveanaya Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:44 am

Battle Report

scitio's soldiers march onto the battlefield.
scitio attacked with 3,183,632 soldiers and 0 mercenaries.
3,183,632 Soldiers were armed with MLRS
Mad_One defended with 3,500,105 soldiers and 0 mercenaries.
3,407,789 Soldiers were armed with Mobile Artillery
92,304 Soldiers were armed with Main Battle Tank
12 Soldiers came unarmed
Your field scouts report on the status of the enemy: The invaders deal 145,751,558,758 damage on the enemy!
This results in 8,362 casualties amongst the defending troops!
The defending forces return fire and inflict 159,611,067,554 damage on their opponents!
They manage to cause 66,632 casualties in their enemies ranks!

scitio's attack has been repelled!

The invading soldiers flee in panic whilst Mad_One's forces are cheering and celebrating their victory
It is reported that 83,010,792,087 Kuwal has been taken from the realm of Mad_One
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Post by MCHammer Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:45 pm

So how much should he repay you ?
*should have repaid

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Post by SovietMan Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:56 am

Lol I always find it funny how the guys attacking in superior numbers and with superior weapons kill 10-15% compared to the defenders.
but yeah, those are some crazy losses just for some war exp o_O

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Post by Steveanaya Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:03 am

I'm sorry but I'm not following whAt you're saying sovietman.

Please clarify?
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Post by MCHammer Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:37 am

Soviet Man means that he wants to know how much should've scito repayed! Now tell me !

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Post by vaga Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:25 am

Ok Mchammer...
He stole 83,010,792,087 Kuwal
His losses 66,632 and in kuwal is = 66,632 x ( 150.000 training price + 350.000 uu price + 864.000 mrls price ) 66,632 X 1364,000 = 90.886.048.000 kuwal
He stole 83 bil and lost 90 bil.
Mad_one has 80 mil army size 80 x 1.5 = 12 bil profit for a good hit on mad_one at that army size. Profit = as x 150.
He should have repayed 130% of the kuwal lost+losses.
83 bil and losses= 8362 x (150.000+350.000+522.000)= 8362x1022.000= 8.545.964
83 + 8.5 bil = 91.5 bil x 130% = 118.95 bil repayment
Hope i didn't made mistakes:P
Mad_one asked nicely to be repayed but scitio gave her a pm that the hit was made for xp not for profit.


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Post by kingkongfan1 Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:31 am

Not to be sticking my big monkey nose into other players business, but I wanted to clarify that T.M.I. values UU at 375,000 kuwal not 350,000. but any alliance can value UU at whatever price they wish
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Post by fivel Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:06 pm

We wanted to give him a better chance that is why we used 350k per uu
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Post by MCHammer Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:07 pm


Smog's soldiers march onto the battlefield.
Smog attacked with 2,723,728 soldiers and 0 mercenaries.
2,723,728 Soldiers were armed with Mobile Artillery
They manage to cause 71,967 casualties in their enemies ranks!
Smog's attack has been repelled!
It is reported that 86,486,344,412 Kuwal has been taken from the realm of MC_Hammer

So.. according to the formula of TMI
Stolen Kuwal from Smog - 86,486,344,412 [04 Mar] 21:07
Losses 71,967 units armed with Mobile Artillery - 71 967* (150,000+375,000+522,000) = 1047k *71 967 = 75,349,449 k kuwal
He stole 86,5 and lost 75,35
I had 99m army size 99x 150= 14850 (almost 15b profit for a good hit) 14,85b
he should have stole 75,35+14,85 to be a good hit = 90,2
and he stole 86
now tell me how is this a good hit ?
even if unit price is 350,000 (that is 25,000 less) and we do 71 967*25,000= 1,8b
he shouldve stole 88,4 and he stole 86 for a good hit

That was just fudged up .. you just massed him for the reason that he didn't pay you .. well who paid me ?? Smile anarchy or democracy ? Besides we don't have a policy.. nor do you have one
and we had multiple other hits made on us that weren't profitable but no one paid anything ^^
There isn't going to be anything that will change after I write this.. I just want other players to know that your politics in the game are good only for people in Mujengan .. either with them or dead ? F- it

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Post by fivel Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:36 pm

Yeah, so you could always mass your aggressor if he dont pay, but this means you should change your gamestyle (something that i dont think it will happen, but you could prove me wrong)
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Post by vaga Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:45 pm

Mc Hammer have u asked for compensation???
Kingkongfan asked for compensation many times and it was ok. He can confirm
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Post by kingkongfan1 Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

vaga wrote:Mc Hammer have u asked for compensation???
Kingkongfan asked for compensation many times and it was ok. He can confirm

this is correct,
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Post by MCHammer Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:12 pm

k.. I am asking for compensation then for this hit
and for all other bad hits made and that will be made from now on

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Post by fivel Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:53 pm

Smile)))) it seams that you don't know how things works with farming policies, do you?
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Post by MCHammer Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:12 pm

So can I have my money or what?
I know that we don't have a farming policy so we are not obligated to follow yours ?

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Post by MCHammer Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:47 am



vaga wrote:Mc Hammer have u asked for compensation???
Kingkongfan asked for compensation many times and it was ok. He can confirm
Kingkongfan haves a big alliance that will get in war with you if you don't compensate him.. all those many times.. He can confirm

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Post by kingkongfan1 Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:00 pm

MCHammer wrote:

vaga wrote:Mc Hammer have u asked for compensation???
Kingkongfan1 asked for compensation many times and it was ok. He can confirm
Kingkongfan1 haves a big alliance that will get in war with you if you don't compensate him.. all those many times.. He can confirm

I can confirm that a war was needed once to prove that we were serious about following our policy. It would appear that any alliance can go to war over a bad hit if diplomacy fails. I would also add that diplomacy is a 2 way street, if you expect to get comp'd for a bad hit then you must be prepared to compensate a bad hit. This goes for all parties involved.
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Post by fivel Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:33 am

MCH, you had a post meant for me but you deleted it, but i will give you an answer for it anyway (i was on mobile that was why i didn't answer it before). after you read and re-read the following post, maybe you will see why you will not be compensated for the hits made on you.
seaborgium wrote:Current UU Rate: 375k
Time frames:
Tacking incidents is 10 days period.
Reporting an incident is 3 days, else won't be considered.
Repayment time frame is 48 hours, then a 10% fine each day, if over 5 days then massing.
Due to conduct of players. Alliances will be responsible for the actions of former members for 48 hours after last known to be in the alliance.

Farming
Minimum Profit Required is Defenders Army Size (as shown on Battlefield Page) Times 150
If a player has 0 def then the min hit is 600m.
If a user is 3,217,461 in size you need to make 3217461*150 = 482,619,150.

The punishment for breaking the policy is as follows
First Offense - repay 130% of all losses (kuwal taken, lost units, training cost, weapon cost(attacker current level))
Second Offense - repay 150% of all losses (kuwal taken, lost units, training cost, weapon cost(attacker current level))
Third Offense - Massing, There is no repayment option.

Raids
The UU taken will be converted to kuwal value using the current UU rate. Then the hit will be looked at using the same as above.

Hostile actions
- Is not a hit for kuwal or UU or Spying
- If a kuwal hit or raid is done after a Hostile action, then the kuwal/uu has to be repaid

First Offense - repay 200% of losses
Second Offense - Massing, there is no repayment option

1 vs 1
Need to be posted on the forum BEFORE any hits are made. If not posted then we will take action against the aggressor.

on a side note, i dont USUALLY farm active players
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Post by MCHammer Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:42 am

Awesome.. so would you repay him if you make a bad hit on my offcier too ? The officer is not in the alliance.

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Post by fivel Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:00 pm

i hope you are joking...

Remember that i dont usually farm active players, but if i were to farm you (not to mention your officer) i would not compensate you for a bad hit and this is why: your account have: defense action 303,058,373,828 + strike action 38,406,168,840, while your covert action is 64,584,000,000 and assassin action 51,311,224,800. someone that build his account only against farm will never fight into a war. considering this is a war game why should i compensate you? just because i would be nice? i dont think so.

i would compensate a guy ready to go to war not because i would be afraid of going to war, but because i would want that guy to be a friend (in case of war you need friends that will go to war with you not abandon you until the war is over)
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Post by moky Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:13 am

I understand that all farming policies are jokes. It applies to a player only when the defender side is prepared for war. If he is not, you don't really have to compensate, as he won't turn into a threat.

Then, why do you make a farming policy in the first place? You said this is a war strategy game, so a farming policy is not even required. Its existence is already a joke. That's why I announced that I will not follow any farming policy.

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