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Post by kingkongfan1 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:52 pm

Let me preface this by saying that I understand that this is Test & it is to be shut down soon, my intent here is to hopefully help to head off this problem when AF attacks get started in main around February. that being said, I got "massed" & there are some things that look off. I will do my best to explain the issues...

[12 Jan] 06:06 Your ground forces have been bombarded
There is no report on this in my logs.
Currently displaying missions targeting ground forces
Ground Forces Airforce Factories Bombardment
Attacks on You
Time Attacker Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
0 attacks total | page 1 of 0
Attacks on Others
Time Target Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
0 attacks total | page 1 of 0

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[12 Jan] 06:06 Your factories have been bombarded
[12 Jan] 06:05 Your factories have been bombarded

There is no report on either of these in my logs
Currently displaying missions targeting factories and training camps
Ground Forces Airforce Factories Bombardment
Attacks on You
Time Attacker Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
0 attacks total | page 1 of 0
Attacks on Others
Time Target Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
0 attacks total | page 1 of 0

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Also on the construction page I had 50,000 weapons factories before I was attacked, & I have 50,000 after being attacked.
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[12 Jan] 06:03 Your airforce has been bombarded
[12 Jan] 06:03 Your airforce has been bombarded
[12 Jan] 06:02 Your airforce has been bombarded

Of these 3 hits, there is only 1 report showing
Currently displaying missions targeting airforce
Ground Forces Airforce Factories Bombardment
Attacks on You
Time Attacker Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
[12 Jan] 06:02 Saif 0 Units Destroyed 7143 285 196,196 10,010 1,455 details
1 attacks total | page 1 of 1
Attacks on Others
Time Target Result Efficiency Enemy Losses Munition Used Your Losses Munition Used Report
0 attacks total | page 1 of 0

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Mission Report

Saif's airforce launched an airstrike against kingkongfan1's own airforce

Saif attacked with 1,300 Fighters and 200 Bombers:

1,300 G1 Fighters armed with 1,300 G1 Rockets
200 G1 Bombers armed with 200 G1 Bombs

kingkongfan1 defended with 100000 Fighters and 450000 SAMs:

100,000 G5 Fighters armed with 100,000 G5 Rockets
450,000 G5 Sams armed with 450,000 G5 Rockets

During the battle the following have been reported as destroyed:

kingkongfan1 lost

10,000 G5 Fighters
756 G5 Fighter Rockets
10 G5 Sams
699 G5 Sam Rockets

10,010 Units and 1,455 Munition
(284,354,000,000 Kuwal)

Saif lost

247 G1 Fighters
196,000 G1 Rockets
38 G1 Bombers
196 G1 Bomber Bombs

285 Units and 196,196 Munition
(398,092,000,000 Kuwal)

The efficiency of the attack was 71% for the attacker
(To increase the efficiency, research and build better units and better missiles.)

The attacking forces attacked enemy SAM sites and were unable to attack their intended target
All enemy SAM sites have to be destroyed first.

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It appears to me that there is something off about the report as saif hit me & lost 247 G1 fighters, with 196,000 G1 munition, & 38 G1 Bombers with 196 G1 Bomber Bombs. While I lost 10,000 G5 fighters with 756 G5 Fighter Rockets, & 10 G5 Sams with 699 G5 Sams Rockets. not to mention the kuwal value lost by both parties... If the report is right then I do not have a problem with it, I just wanted it checked to make sure that all was as it should be.
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my main concern in all this is the missing logs & reports, if there is a reason they are not showing, then it is fine with me, the situation looked odd & I thought I would report it so it could be checked out & maybe corrected before it showed up in main. If all is as it should be then please disregard this, & I apologize for making a useless post.
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Special Agent 47 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:04 pm

I can confirm as his commander I see the same he sees. Only 1 report showing up


Tho the overall kewal losses look to be about correct (since the attacker is 71% of the defender) But I must say it seems a bit shocking to see 10,000 fighter taken down by 247, and only seeing a loss of 756 fighter rockets.

It may all be perfectly correct, but it sure looks skewed a bit.

My only suggestion on the "missing" reports is maybe the attacker received devastating damage, and that is why the reports never showed up? Just a wild guess on my part.
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Admin on Sat Jan 12, 2013 6:48 pm

thank you, has been noted and will be checked carefully before missions are unlocked

I know for a time there was an issue that each side would actually use up missiles based on how much the enemy could lose, not based on how many units you sent into battle, so maybe it's related

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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Special Agent 47 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:09 pm

Issues are still continuing. Attacks showing up in recent events, but not in the logs, and very small attack forces (40 total attack units) taking down 946% more then it loses(over 7,000 defending units).

If this is how it is suppose to be then there is not much point in building very many units. It would be much easier to just build a very few units and massive amounts of munitions.

Seems to me there should be some type of limit of munitions used versus number of units. Seeing over 7,000 defense units being destroyed while only firing 89 munitions, while watching 40 attack units firing 131,200 munitions just seems ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,incorrect.


But if that is done by design please just say so.
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Kenzu on Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:06 pm

Obviously 40 attack units are not allowed to fire more than 40 munitions.

Each unit is supposed to fire maximum 1 munition, while at the same time, it's impossible for the attacker to take down more than X% of the defending force.

For example kingkongfans reported mission is way off what it should be.
Obviously Saif cannot fire more munition than he has, and he cannot fire more munition than the number of his relevant attacking units.

He should have fired only 1300 G1 rockets and 200 G1 bombs.

I wonder what caused this problem, because I didn't see such things happening when I was testing it. Is it really caused by small numbers of attacking units?
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Special Agent 47 on Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:34 pm

All I can say is this is the copy and paste sent to me by the officer attacked


Attacks on You
Time,, Attacker,,, Result,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Efficiency,,, Enemy Losses,,, Munition Used,,, Your Losses,,, Munition Used... Report
[24 Jan] 05:43,, Smog,, 0 Units Destroyed,,, 7119,,,,,,,,,, 40,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,131,232,,,,,,,,,,,,, 6,755,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 178,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, details
[24 Jan] 05:42 Smog,, 0 Units Destroyed,, ,,7820,,,,,,,,,, 134,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 120,562,,,,,,,,,,, 7,508,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 596,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, details
2 attacks total | page 1 of 1


They said that 8 missions appeared in the current events, but only 2 reports are in his logs and they are below

Mission Report
Smog's airforce launched an airstrike against Budakajana's own airforce

Smog attacked with 90 Fighters and 122 Bombers:


90 G1 Fighters armed with 90 G1 Rockets
122 G1 Bombers armed with 122 G2 Bombs
Budakajana defended with 67500 Fighters and 99992 SAMs:

45,000 G6 Fighters, 15,750 G3 Fighters, 2,250 G2 Fighters, 4,500 G1 Fighters armed with 67,500 G6 Rockets
24,998 G6 Sams, 34,997 G5 Sams, 32,497 G4 Sams, 7,500 G2 Sams armed with 99,992 G6 Rockets
During the battle the following have been reported as destroyed:

Budakajana lost


4,500 G6 Fighters, 1,575 G3 Fighters, 225 G2 Fighters, 450 G1 Fighters
89 G6 Fighter Rockets
1 G6 Sams, 2 G5 Sams, 2 G4 Sams, 0 G2 Sams
89 G6 Sam Rockets

6,755 Units and 178 Munition
(187,422,000,000 Kuwal)

Smog lost

17 G1 Fighters
131,153 G1 Rockets
23 G1 Bombers
79 G2 Bomber Bombs
40 Units and 131,232 Munition
(263,279,800,000 Kuwal)

The efficiency of the attack was 71% for the attacker
(To increase the efficiency, research and build better units and better missiles.)

The attacking forces attacked enemy SAM sites and were unable to attack their intended target
All enemy SAM sites have to be destroyed first

Smog's airforce launched an airstrike against Budakajana's own airforce

Smog attacked with 560 Fighters and 150 Bombers:


560 G1 Fighters armed with 560 G2 Rockets
150 G1 Bombers armed with 150 G2 Bombs
Budakajana defended with 75000 Fighters and 100000 SAMs:

50,000 G6 Fighters, 17,500 G3 Fighters, 2,500 G2 Fighters, 5,000 G1 Fighters armed with 75,000 G6 Rockets
25,000 G6 Sams, 35,000 G5 Sams, 32,500 G4 Sams, 7,500 G2 Sams armed with 100,000 G6 Rockets
During the battle the following have been reported as destroyed:

Budakajana lost


5,000 G6 Fighters, 1,750 G3 Fighters, 250 G2 Fighters, 500 G1 Fighters
307 G6 Fighter Rockets
2 G6 Sams, 3 G5 Sams, 3 G4 Sams, 1 G2 Sams
289 G6 Sam Rockets

7,509 Units and 596 Munition
(209,532,000,000 Kuwal)

Smog lost

106 G1 Fighters
120,434 G2 Rockets
28 G1 Bombers
128 G2 Bomber Bombs
134 Units and 120,562 Munition
(267,916,400,000 Kuwal)

The efficiency of the attack was 78% for the attacker
(To increase the efficiency, research and build better units and better missiles.)

The attacking forces attacked enemy SAM sites and were unable to attack their intended target
All enemy SAM sites have to be destroyed first


I also noticed that the attacks are 1 minute apart, but his efficiency changed from 71 to 78 percent. I assume unless he changed something that his efficiency should be the same no matter the size of the force? Either way it appears something is off and what you say shouldn't happen, is happening.

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I also noticed something else that is off. The amount of munitions in the report are incorrect. It lists the same number of munitions as there are units to fire them. My officer states, and covert reports confirm, that they had 10 times the amount of munitions as units.

Where it read
50,000 G6 Fighters, 17,500 G3 Fighters, 2,500 G2 Fighters, 5,000 G1 Fighters armed with 75,000 G6 Rockets
25,000 G6 Sams, 35,000 G5 Sams, 32,500 G4 Sams, 7,500 G2 Sams armed with 100,000 G6 Rockets
It should have read
50,000 G6 Fighters, 17,500 G3 Fighters, 2,500 G2 Fighters, 5,000 G1 Fighters armed with 750,000 G6 Rockets
25,000 G6 Sams, 35,000 G5 Sams, 32,500 G4 Sams, 7,500 G2 Sams armed with 1,000,000 G6 Rockets
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Manleva on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:59 am

It looks to me that not only is the efficiency screwed the hole battle is screwed.

Smog was able to loose far more munitions than he was able to carry into battle.

We have been told that only fully armed units will be used so each unit needs 10 munitions so in the first detailed report we see 90 G1 fighters which equates to 900 munitions yet Smog looses 131,153 G1 Rockets.

Now if every one of Smogs 90 Fighters was able to fire 1 rocket the would be 90 Rockets add to that the lost fighters (17 * 9) and Smog should have lost 243 rockets

We were also told that it takes 10 munitions to kill a unit so the maximum that smogs fighters could kill would have been 9 units yet Budakajana lost 4,500 G6 Fighters, 1,575 G3 Fighters, 225 G2 Fighters, 450 G1 Fighters

From what I can see the formula does not take into account what damage the attacker can possibly do but rather it more based on percentages. i.e. the defender is this size so losses are x% which is XX Kuwal and the report simply converts the loss to units.

I certainly hope that if the formulas have been ported over to main that they are fixed and tested prior to releasing the airforce attacks in Main
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Special Agent 47 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:50 am

Well it appears the Air Force attacks have been released in main. With no word from admin we can only hope the issues have been corrected.
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Kenzu on Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:52 pm

Admin said in the last update that airforce missions would be released one month after the initial release of all other airforce features. He did release the airforce without adding a new news message even though I repeatedly told him he has to do it. He argued that everyone knew about it anyway. I disagree and I think a new news page should make it clear anyway.

PS: airforce works properly on main server, while on test server its screwed up. (it wont be fixed on test, as test has already served its purpose. It's much easier to replace test with a copy of current main to get rid of all bugs on test.)
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Re: Massed in Test...

Post by Nomad on Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:01 pm

How can you say "airforce works properly on main"? What was changed? and what was wrong that caused the errors, and what was done to correct it?

Not saying you do not know what your talking abount, its just in times past you repeatedly have been incorrect in your announcements.
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