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Post by Lord Ishurue on Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:15 am



hmm

i have seen that some weapons are only good once UUs reach a certain price.

but what if u did something like this ( i remember back in day i conceptualized this at least for def weps)

for example

25% of yor weps are ICBM Launcher
25% of yor weps MLRS
25% of yor weps MA
25% of yor weps MBT


ICBM is strongest weapon but the worst, cost per unit effectiveness, highest upkeep ( idk the cost of 1 wep, nor the upkeep )

MBT is weakest weapon of the 4, but cheapest upkeep.



just to use the 3 i know
33%MLRS, MA, MBT

(1800+1450+1100)/3= 1450 power

average cost of wep being 565k

with an average upkeep of 3838

so having equal amounts of the 3 is not worth it

but what if their was a way of using the strong and weak weapons to be overall more effective then just using one.

like say your objective was to have cheapest upkeep but still have decent power and cost or what if your objective was to have best power but decent upkeep and cost.

ill post more l8r on

anyone with ICBM Launcher, if you like can you please post the cost of 1 wep, & upkeep

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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by Nomad on Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:14 am

Weapon ,,,,,, Strength ,,,,,,,, Upkeep ,,,, Price
ICBM Launcher ,,,, 2,200 ,,,, 11,154 ,,, 1,430,000
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Post by Kenzu on Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:01 pm

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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by Lord Ishurue on Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:15 pm


@ Nomad & Kenzu ty.

atm Mobile Artillery 1,450 522,000 100%

MA is 100%until UU price is above 522k ?

i wonder with 10 weps.

70% MBT
10% MLRS
10% ICBM Launcher
10% IFV

Wep power = 1,255
Cost = 463,400
upkeep = 3,131 (rounded up)


overall effectiveness compared to MA

Wep power =1,450
Cost = 522,000
UPkeep = 3,445


the below part is something that tends to sorta confuse me. is it bigger number/ smaller one to make comparison or vice versa. but i think its bigger one/ smaller one. or maybe average of 2 but anyways.


1450/1255= MA is 15.5% stronger then (70%MBT, 10% ICBM, 10% MLRS, 10% IFV)

522k/463.4k= MA cost per wep is 12.6% more expensive then (70%MBT, 10% ICBM, 10% MLRS, 10% IFV)


3445/3131= MA UPkeep is 10% more expensive then (70%MBT, 10% ICBM, 10% MLRS, 10% IFV)

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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by fivel on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:25 am

actualy, MA is effective until UU price go over 600-650k (this was explained into another thread) (nice to see you active and well again Ish Smile)
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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by Lord Ishurue on Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:12 am

fivel wrote:actualy, MA is effective until UU price go over 600-650k (this was explained into another thread) (nice to see you active and well again Ish Smile)

ty.

so till UUs are over 600-750k ish MA is best choice. in an earier post i came close to matching MA.

MA
Wep power =1,450
Cost = 522,000
UPkeep = 3,445


Spoiler:
70% MBT 30% MLRS

Wep power = 1310
Cost = 474,800
UPkeep = 3160



1450/1310 = MA is 10.7% stronger then 70/30 MBT/MLRS
522k/474,800 = MA is 10% more expensive
3445/3160= MA upkeep is 9% more expensive

i guess based on that MA is better since to match its power the advantages of 70/30 MBT MLRS woould be sorta null n void.


what if i try

40% MA
50% MBT
10% MLRS


power= 1310 10.7% weaker then MA
cost= 449,200 16.2% cheaper then MA
UP keep = 2925 ( rounded up from 2924.1) 17.7% cheaper then MA

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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by fivel on Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:51 pm

man, i think your aproach is almost wrong, and i say this because you have so many formulas but none of this formula contain the uu price,

if you want to get to a more realistic result you need to use this:

a) the price of 1 armed soldier: price of: 1 UU + 1 weapon + training cost
b) the power of 1 armed soldier

(using what i've said you will have an ecuation: the variable will be the price of the UU, the rest will be knowen factors, and so you could find out the price of the UU were is best to use MA or MLRS)
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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by Lord Ishurue on Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:49 pm

fivel wrote:man, i think your aproach is almost wrong, and i say this because you have so many formulas but none of this formula contain the uu price,

Its not a formula, Just Conceptualizing based on something i crunched with I think Sea in past ( 1.5- 2ish yrs ago)

It was complicated for me back then & eventually said nah forget it.

for something like the above is way beyond my Math skills.




fivel wrote:if you want to get to a more realistic result you need to use this:

a) the price of 1 armed soldier: price of: 1 UU + 1 weapon + training cost
b) the power of 1 armed soldier

(using what i've said you will have an ecuation: the variable will be the price of the UU, the rest will be knowen factors, and so you could find out the price of the UU were is best to use MA or MLRS)

Cool & ty

ill take A into account along with using Kenzu's notes & conceptualize from there.

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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by Keinutnai on Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:30 pm

I dont understand how you can use the upkeep price to calculate the effectiveness of a weapon.

High upkeep influences the effectiveness only if you keep the weapon for a long time. In my calculations I assumed you use the weapon immediately when you build it.

If you want to take into account effectiveness, then you have to use some time reference, for example you will say that a weapon will exist for 6 months on average until destroyed and then calculate the effectiveness based on that.
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Re: Weapon effectiveness a lil more into it

Post by seaborgium on Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:26 am

DonnY bring me in this. I donny remember a month ago.

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