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Post by Keinutnai on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:46 pm

I would like to report Castravete for being offensive by insulting me with the following private messages ingame.
(I usually don't make pms public, but what Castravete does, has no bounds. It's unacceptable and I want others to know how he talks.)

From: Castravete
Date: [17 Sep] 14:28
Subject: no subject
Message text:
No no, slowy...in my private trading I have brokers recorded since 04.dec.2011 so don't be shy now...send it;)

This message alone is already offensive enough. But please have a look at these messages as well. You will see that his other messages are offensive as well and far from the politeness that are required by game rules.



From: Castravete
Date: [17 Sep] 12:42
Subject: no subject
Message text:
btw, forget to tell you this on the forum... you still amaze me when you do maths...do you do it with your eyes closed or with your brain shut?...You lie, you cheat and you are ignorant.
So save this shame and post the print screen...you know what's that...do you?

From: Castravete
Date: [17 Sep] 14:13
Subject: no subject
Message text:
are you a little bit slow?...do you need help to comprehend?
SEND THE DAMN PRINT SCREEN and stop avoiding the subjet...the entire list of your private broker...click TRADE CENTER...click PRIVATE TRADES...and then push the print screen button from your key board and the upload it on a site an then send me the link?...GOT IT?

From: Castravete
Date: [17 Sep] 10:29
Subject: no subject
Message text:
K, junior...just that your maths still suck big time...but I'll oper my posts exactly after you'll send me that PRINT SCREEN with the PRIVATE BROKERS...ok? Come one.
And stop messing with my posts on the forum...as far as I know you're not the admin and you have any rights...do you?

Obviously the only reason he calls me junior is to provoke and to offend. I am similar age as him, and the way he talks to me is not polite, as outlined by game rules.

From: Castravete
Date: [18 Sep] 12:34
Subject: no subject
Message text:
Well, well...You couldn't stand the shame and decided to hide under your brother's skirt?...nice...mature. He showed me know.Hrrrrrrr. But what's his oppinion about you cheating? Guess we all found out: NONE.
Now show me you still have some dignity in your shameless soul and hit me with that print screen...I REAPEAT: PRINT SCREEN?...Private brokers...ok?

Maybe you will not consider all of the messages offensive enough for a ban, but some of the messages clearly warrant a temporary ban for offensive language.
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Steveanaya on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:26 pm

I think they're just fine. You can't seriously be offended by castra NOW after you know what his character is like. I think you're just looking for a reason to ban castravete...

But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Keinutnai on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:43 pm

Other people get banned if they post things like this. He should not be treated better only because he has a long record of being offensive.

I admit, I am not surprised he made such messages.
But that doesn't mean that he should not be punished for it.

I know if I wrote something like this. I would be banned on the next day.
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by seaborgium on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:50 pm

I dont see anything offense. I see "nice" was to talk t someone. They almost look like things myself would say but as seen in other threads the admistration doesnt care how/what we feel. They are family so let it get go to hell.

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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Gamniac on Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:33 am

I've seen far, far worse from him posted in public.
If that didn't get him banned at the time, neither will this.

All I can see is that he's consciously being annoying about the print screen, but that's it.
(Cast, seriously, do you actually believe that will make him do what you want?)
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Keinutnai on Wed Sep 19, 2012 5:02 pm

Gamniac wrote:I've seen far, far worse from him posted in public.
If that didn't get him banned at the time, neither will this.

All I can see is that he's consciously being annoying about the print screen, but that's it.
(Cast, seriously, do you actually believe that will make him do what you want?)

Actually he got banned for the things he wrote before. He is banned 1 week on the forum even now as we speak.

http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/t1660-warnings-bans

Back on 30th june he got a 3 day ban. And even before that he got banned on the forum too.

Ingame he got banned 3 times already:
http://www.reset.aderanwars.com/bannedusers.php

Furthermore if someone was offensive before and didn't get banned, that doesn't give him the right to be offensive in the future.

And if he offends you, and you don't report it, he won't be banned, but he offended me and I reported it.
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by seaborgium on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:32 am

No wonder noone cares to stay and play

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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by navblue on Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:00 pm

You're starting to sound like one of my kids. Seriously he called you a name. Man up and deal with it.

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Post by Keinutnai on Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:38 pm

navblue wrote:You're starting to sound like one of my kids. Seriously he called you a name. Man up and deal with it.

Is that what you say to your kid, when he gets insulted by the other one?
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by navblue on Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:15 pm

Keinutnai wrote:
navblue wrote:You're starting to sound like one of my kids. Seriously he called you a name. Man up and deal with it.

Is that what you say to your kid, when he gets insulted by the other one?


Are you a child or an adult?

Do you want to be treated as a child or an adult?

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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Gamniac on Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:32 pm

The only way a solid case could be made is by stating Castravete uses a rather hostile tone (and yes, it is possible to have a tone of 'voice' in writing).
That in itself is more damaging than just calling you "junior".

But yeah, I stand in agreement with navblue on this one.
These profanities stand on the level of 'poopyhead'.
The average kid in the street knows and uses worse obscenities (whether they understand them is another matter).
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Post by Admin on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:34 pm

Gamniac wrote:But yeah, I stand in agreement with navblue on this one.
These profanities stand on the level of 'poopyhead'.
The average kid in the street knows and uses worse obscenities (whether they understand them is another matter).
overall I will also agree, hardly offensive, hostile sure but not offensive as to warrant a ban overall
=> rejected

on the first one though ...
normally, I would seriously consider whether it actually warrants a ban (I'd say no)
however this is castra, he got banned repeatedly ingame and on the forum, he knows rude language gets him banned
it is obvious he meant it as an insult, which if it were one would be bannable
and he's trying to be smart, trying not to openly insult or outright testing to see how far he can go before I will ban him
either way specific rule #3 explicitly says not to look for loopholes, he's looking for one or already trying to use one because he knows that he got banned before for obvious stuff
and since the point of temp bans, explicitly those for offensive language are meant to make him more careful about what he says, there's a stricter measure applied

on the other hand, he managed to go 1 year while controlling himself ingame, so it'll only be 1 day ban this time

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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Keinutnai on Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:58 pm

1 day ban after 1 year of not being banned. Fair enough.

But it would be good for admin to clear up what is and what is not ok to say. Admin is not ok with Castravete's first message. How about the other ones?

Does it also mean that it's ok for everyone to make suggestive and offensive questions such as:

"are you a little bit slow?"
"do you do it with your eyes closed or with your brain shut?"
"Now show me you still have some dignity in your shameless soul"
Are these expressions allowed?

Because questions such as: "Are you stupid?" "Are you mentally retarded?" have been punished with a ban.

It would be good if admin can draw a clear line of what is allowed and what isn't. I had the impression that everything which could be perceived as offensive is forbidden.
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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by kingkongfan1 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:42 pm

Keinutnai wrote:
navblue wrote:You're starting to sound like one of my kids. Seriously he called you a name. Man up and deal with it.

Is that what you say to your kid, when he gets insulted by the other one?

personally, I put the gloves on mine & had them go at it till they couldn't stand anymore. I've done it since they were old enough to talk, name calling is not something I worry about.
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Post by Admin on Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:18 am

except we're not teaching kids manners here or to learn how to take an insult

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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by seaborgium on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:32 am

admin whos older you or kenny?

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Post by Keinutnai on Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:19 am

Please don't make up nicknames for me. I find "Kenny" offensive.

I am 2.5 years older. You know I have already graduated.
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Post by kingkongfan1 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:42 am

Keinutnai wrote:Please don't make up nicknames for me. I find "Kenny" offensive.

now you know how I feel when you insist upon calling me kingkongfan... I am the number 1 King Kong fan in the world. not just a fan of King Kong.
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Post by seaborgium on Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:48 am

1. I don't really care you find it offensive. There is nothing foul about it. The ONLY reason anything will be done about it is bc your brother is the admin. If this was the real world you would be told to suck it up.

2. I'm from the US, we have 4 different graduations. Also I don't know what admin is doing, hes never around to "shoot the shit" with anymore.

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Post by Keinutnai on Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:11 pm

kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:Please don't make up nicknames for me. I find "Kenny" offensive.

now you know how I feel when you insist upon calling me kingkongfan... I am the number 1 King Kong fan in the world. not just a fan of King Kong.
I call you kingkongfan1 for a very long time. Last time I called you without the 1 was long time ago, and at that time I didn't know it was important to you. Once you told me about it, I always took care to call you the way you want to be called.

Check how I called you in the last 3 months. Always with the 1 at the end.

@sea, you think brothers would not graduate the same level?
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Post by mental on Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:05 pm

You can call me Barbara for all I care Laughing


Grow a thicker skin and laugh it off or you'll be ridiculed for a lifetime.
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Post by kingkongfan1 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:58 pm

Keinutnai wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:Please don't make up nicknames for me. I find "Kenny" offensive.

now you know how I feel when you insist upon calling me kingkongfan... I am the number 1 King Kong fan in the world. not just a fan of King Kong.
I call you kingkongfan1 for a very long time. Last time I called you without the 1 was long time ago, and at that time I didn't know it was important to you. Once you told me about it, I always took care to call you the way you want to be called.

Check how I called you in the last 3 months. Always with the 1 at the end.

@sea, you think brothers would not graduate the same level?

example #1:
Re: Another one bites the dust
Post by Keinutnai on Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:16 am
@kingkongfan


& this is not the most recent one, this just proves that this occurred about a month ago. I am still looking for the post where I agreed not to call you kenny anymore if you stopped calling me kingkongfan... I am positive tho that the agreement was made more than a month ago. Anyway, when I find it, I'll post it. I do not think that you lied in your post here on purpose, I think that it just slips your mind is all.

for those who might be interested, the whole quote...

Spoiler:
Keinutnai wrote:@kingkongfan

The way kingkongfan handled it seems perfectly fine to me
(with the exception that he did a miscalculation, but mistakes can happen to anyone, and J1nx should have asked how kingkongfan came up with the number).
Obviously it could have been handled better, but it was good enough. The biggest problem I see here was that J1nx was escalating things too early.

The message of J1nx:
J1nx wrote:The hit was profitable, move on.
Dont waste my time.
Any attempt to decrease my stats will be met with me PERMANENTLY returning the action - read my MOTD"
I believe that J1nx posted this message as he wanted to deter TMI from massing him as he believed the hit was profitable.

And even though he is right that the hit was profitable, the decision if TMI masses someone who doesn't compensate does not depend on whether the hit is profitable, or whether the hit was illegal according to TMI policies, but it depends on whether TMI believes themselves if the hit was illegal.

The best course of action would be to explain to TMI why required amount was not 170 billion but much less, or at least he could have asked how did kingkongfan come up with the 170 billion number.

I can perfectly understand why J1nx has send the message he did. It was unfair treatment to be massed for a hit that was legal according to TMI policies, but the optimal solution would be to explain to TMI why he believes it was a legal hit and to ask for more time to solve this. Obviously the message he sent was not going to solve the issue.

Then again J1nx isn't in an alliance which would allow someone experienced in negotiations to handle this. Obviously people with a lot of experience in this matter are better at handling it.

Still, if J1nx told me what he told to you. I wouldn't end the conversation there. I would explain to him that even though the hit was profitable, it was not profitable enough to be allowed by our farming policy, and that our farming policy applies to anyone and we never make any exceptions.

So the course of action is understandable for both of them. kingkongfan handled the situation pretty well, J1nx still has a lot of room for improvement, which is normal given that he isn't alliance leader and probably didn't have to deal with diplomacy before.

I am happy that a resolution to this issue has been found in time.

Well done! Very Happy


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Re: Castravete offensive ingame pms

Post by Keinutnai on Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:52 pm

kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:Please don't make up nicknames for me. I find "Kenny" offensive.

now you know how I feel when you insist upon calling me kingkongfan... I am the number 1 King Kong fan in the world. not just a fan of King Kong.
I call you kingkongfan1 for a very long time. Last time I called you without the 1 was long time ago, and at that time I didn't know it was important to you. Once you told me about it, I always took care to call you the way you want to be called.

Check how I called you in the last 3 months. Always with the 1 at the end.

@sea, you think brothers would not graduate the same level?

example #1:
Re: Another one bites the dust
Post by Keinutnai on Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:16 am
@kingkongfan


& this is not the most recent one, this just proves that this occurred about a month ago. I am still looking for the post where I agreed not to call you kenny anymore if you stopped calling me kingkongfan... I am positive tho that the agreement was made more than a month ago. Anyway, when I find it, I'll post it. I do not think that you lied in your post here on purpose, I think that it just slips your mind is all.

for those who might be interested, the whole quote...

Spoiler:
Keinutnai wrote:@kingkongfan

The way kingkongfan handled it seems perfectly fine to me
(with the exception that he did a miscalculation, but mistakes can happen to anyone, and J1nx should have asked how kingkongfan came up with the number).
Obviously it could have been handled better, but it was good enough. The biggest problem I see here was that J1nx was escalating things too early.

The message of J1nx:
J1nx wrote:The hit was profitable, move on.
Dont waste my time.
Any attempt to decrease my stats will be met with me PERMANENTLY returning the action - read my MOTD"
I believe that J1nx posted this message as he wanted to deter TMI from massing him as he believed the hit was profitable.

And even though he is right that the hit was profitable, the decision if TMI masses someone who doesn't compensate does not depend on whether the hit is profitable, or whether the hit was illegal according to TMI policies, but it depends on whether TMI believes themselves if the hit was illegal.

The best course of action would be to explain to TMI why required amount was not 170 billion but much less, or at least he could have asked how did kingkongfan come up with the 170 billion number.

I can perfectly understand why J1nx has send the message he did. It was unfair treatment to be massed for a hit that was legal according to TMI policies, but the optimal solution would be to explain to TMI why he believes it was a legal hit and to ask for more time to solve this. Obviously the message he sent was not going to solve the issue.

Then again J1nx isn't in an alliance which would allow someone experienced in negotiations to handle this. Obviously people with a lot of experience in this matter are better at handling it.

Still, if J1nx told me what he told to you. I wouldn't end the conversation there. I would explain to him that even though the hit was profitable, it was not profitable enough to be allowed by our farming policy, and that our farming policy applies to anyone and we never make any exceptions.

So the course of action is understandable for both of them. kingkongfan handled the situation pretty well, J1nx still has a lot of room for improvement, which is normal given that he isn't alliance leader and probably didn't have to deal with diplomacy before.

I am happy that a resolution to this issue has been found in time.

Well done! Very Happy

I wasnt aware of that one. But please look, I have improved and I call you the way you want other posts:

Example:
http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/t2877p15-still-trying-to-understand-how-defenses-work-vs-assaults#36862
"about kingkongfan1's last post:"
"I noticed that this pattern which kingkongfan1 describes..."

Keinutnai wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:
Spoiler:
as a comparison, take a look at the following hits. maybe someone can explain the difference in the losses in each hit... as a point of record my attack tech is 300%, & I have 0 in attack pbp.
**********
this player has a defense tech of 130% when I get the info on his pbp's I will post it.

Battle Report

KingKongFan1's soldiers march onto the battlefield.
KingKongFan1's army was composed of:
1,000,000 Soldiers and 0 Mercenaries
1000000 Soldiers were armed with MLRS

opponent awaited the invaders with the following:
307,068 Soldiers and 0 Mercenaries
306974 Soldiers were armed with Mobile Artillery
94 Soldiers came unarmed

Your field scouts report on the status of the enemy: The invaders deal 56,160,000,000 damage on the enemy!
This results in 27,465 casualties amongst the defending troops!

The defending forces return fire and inflict 6,019,031,077 damage on their opponents!
They manage to cause 11,983 casualties in their enemies ranks!

The assaulting armies engaged with normal attacks
The defenders held their ground with a standard defense
KingKongFan1's forces Defeated the enemy!

As opponent army runs from the battlefield the victors finish their assigned mission and return home:
**********
this would seem to make my previous post void.
**********
this second hit, this player has 247% in defense tech, when I get the info on the pbp's I will post it.

battle report

KingKongFan1's soldiers march onto the battlefield.
KingKongFan1's army was composed of:
988,017 Soldiers and 0 Mercenaries
988017 Soldiers were armed with MLRS

opponent awaited the invaders with the following:
2,970,443 Soldiers and 0 Mercenaries
2058910 Soldiers were armed with Mobile Artillery
911533 Soldiers were armed with Main Battle Tank

Your field scouts report on the status of the enemy: The invaders deal 51,218,801,280 damage on the enemy!
This results in 78,817 casualties amongst the defending troops!

The defending forces return fire and inflict 116,402,040,416 damage on their opponents!
They manage to cause 74,474 casualties in their enemies ranks!

The assaulting armies engaged with normal attacks
The defenders held their ground with a standard defense

KingKongFan1's attack has been repelled!

The invading soldiers flee in panic whilst opponent forces are cheering and celebrating their victory.
**********
Interesting that the losses are almost equal, considering the differences, (tech, weapons, etc.)
**********
this last hit, this player has 300% defense tech, when I get the info on the pbp's I will post it.

Battle Report

KingKongFan1's soldiers march onto the battlefield.
KingKongFan1's army was composed of:
913,543 Soldiers and 0 Mercenaries
913543 Soldiers were armed with MLRS

opponent awaited the invaders with the following:
Huge Load of Soldiers
Your field scouts report on the status of the enemy: The invaders deal 49,824,635,220 damage on the enemy!
This results in 0 casualties amongst the defending troops!

The defending forces return fire and inflict DEVASTATING damage on their opponents!
They manage to cause 102,138 casualties in their enemies ranks!

The assaulting armies engaged with normal attacks
The defenders held their ground with a standard defense

KingKongFan1's attack has been repelled!

The invading soldiers flee in panic whilst opponent forces are cheering and celebrating their victory.
**********
as is quite obvious with this attack, at equal techs, I lost substantially more than 1/4 more than the defender did in this attack. I guess none of my guys got "lucky" Smile ... Anyway even with accounting for the percentage of randomness thrown in, the losses in these attacks seem "off" to me, but then again what do I know?

Spoiler:
about kingkongfan1's last post:

300% attack tech will have same kills and losses as a 225% defense tech.

1 assault:
27,465 defender losses with MA
11,983 attacker losses with MLRS

defender has 130%
MLRS is 24% stronger than MA

Formula: 2.25*1.24/1.3=2.14
This means attacker will kill about 2.14 times more than the defender

27,465/11,983=2.3 ratio
pretty close!

This number is different due to PBP of defender and randomness of the attack (95-105% damage dealt).


mission 2:

247% def tech + unknown PBP

78,817
74,474
ratio: 1.06

2/3 tanks and 1/3 MA for defender = 1216 average power per units compared to 1800 of attacker.
2.25*1.48/2.47=1.34

This means defender has a lot of points in defense, most likely the maximum number of possible points.

3rd mission:

defender had a defense action more than 5 times higher than the attacker's strike action.
In such case attacker deals no damage and doesn't kill a single unit.
You dealt 50 billion damage, this means defenders action must be more than 250 billion.


kingkongfan1 wrote:keinutnai/kenzu has stated several times over that when the attacker/defender are at equal techs, the attacker will lose 25% more than the defender. as such it appears to me that when the attacker has substantially larger attack tech verses the defenders relatively weak defense tech,(including the possibility that the attacker has maxed out the attack pbp & the defender has maxed out the defense pbp). the attacker will always lose substantially more than the defender. in the end I think it comes down to army size & the percentages lost from each. the larger the attack force/action, the more losses incurred, (percentage lost) verses the defenders smaller defense force/action, (percentage lost).

In plain English, (as best as I can comprehend) if you have a large attack action, with your attack techs built up, & a large percentage of your pbp in attack, & you go after an acct that is inferior to yours, you will always lose substantially more than the one you are attacking. how else can anyone explain when a hit results in the defender losing 3-5,000 in defenders while the attacker loses 30-35,000 or more in attackers. this imo does not look like 25% more losses for the attacker, but then again I have proven several times over that I am no math head. (no offense intended towards anyone)

I noticed that this pattern which kingkongfan1 describes is to some extent true when doing hunt assassin missions. In hunt assassin missions it's always the most efficient to use a strike that is only slightly higher than the cummulated value of defense and assassin actions.

But when assaulting, a bigger strike will not suffer higher losses than a smaller strike. ie: I will have the same losses assaulting a 20 bill def, no matter if I have 30 billion strike, or 300 billion strike. Only when my strike is smaller than the def, then both sides will suffer less losses.

I found only one post now. I could have sworn there are more. I did find another post where I didn't use the 1 at the end. I apologise for that! Sorry kingkongfan1!
I'll try to take more care in the future. Very Happy


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Post by Manleva on Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:13 am

I have only one question for Keinutnai.

If you believe that the PM were offensive why have you posted them here?

By posting something you consider to be offensive are you not also as guilty or even more guilty of posting offensive material in the forum?

In any decent game and forum I have been in the processes around offensive PM's is to report them directly to the Admins and they deal with it. There decisions are final and not open to public discussion. They will also deal harshly with those who attempt to publicly question their decisions.

In respect of these PM's I do not consider then to be in any way offensive. I can see that there is a history behind them but then again I have actually never found any of Castravete's posts to offensive, generally they add some colour and interest to what otherwise can be very bland and boring threads.

I would say that many probably need to harden up and remember that no one here is actually using their real names so when I talk to Keinutnai I am not talking to a real person, rather I am talking to a character that someone has created.
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Post by Admin on Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:48 pm

Manleva wrote:In respect of these PM's I do not consider then to be in any way offensive. I can see that there is a history behind them but then again I have actually never found any of Castravete's posts to offensive, generally they add some colour and interest to what otherwise can be very bland and boring threads.
once someone starts talking about someone's neurons and whatnot it becomes hard to keep it "colorful" without falling into "offensive"

Manleva wrote:I would say that many probably need to harden up and remember that no one here is actually using their real names so when I talk to Keinutnai I am not talking to a real person, rather I am talking to a character that someone has created.
by that logic, anyone could start calling seaborgium sab and sa47 saka or spat or whatever else they would come up with.
which brings us to what I wrote about the forum degenerating if people start investing time into coming up with nicknames

rules were lax because people didn't try to stretch them, which means something that was or might have been tolerated before will not be anymore and there's pretty much only 3 possible ways what this story will spiral into
I'd appreciate if everyone took the first and easiest path which would also mean that rules get somewhat more relaxed

seaborgium wrote:whos older
knowing that, you're welcome to repeat that question now again in full sentence and see what happens

also will be locking this unless the next few posts become related to castra's behavior or his posts

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