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Post by Keinutnai on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:29 pm

goku1719 wrote:That is personal opinion, and personal opinion is often biased and sometimes far from the truth, regardless of the number of people that share that sentiment.

Personally, I think Kenzu is a highly calculative player that just grows fast because he works hard at the game.

They do underestimate the power of math. Their decisions are often based on emotions, rather than making decisions based on rational calculations.
They will deny being emotional, while believing that 5 trillion covert and assassin skills make sense to research and keep on building MLRS. What a contradiction.

Hard work gets you far in Aderan Wars, but if you don't know how much things are worth, and don't bother finding out by making some calculation, then you will have to work much harder than someone who uses math to his advantage.

I could also have spent 10 trillion kuwal on 5 trillion covert and assassin skills. But why doing that, if I can buy 100,000 AT for that money? And with 100,000 AT I can raid 100,000,000 population?
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.
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Post by kingkongfan1 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:56 pm

Keinutnai wrote:
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.

this is your opinion. once again I will point out to you a most basic human trait. "DESIRE" until you can figure out a way to add "Human desire" into all your mathematical equations & scientific formulas you will never understand human nature, without "desire" or "I want" no game survives no matter what.
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Post by Steveanaya on Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:01 pm

Keinutnai wrote:
goku1719 wrote:That is personal opinion, and personal opinion is often biased and sometimes far from the truth, regardless of the number of people that share that sentiment.

Personally, I think Kenzu is a highly calculative player that just grows fast because he works hard at the game.

They do underestimate the power of math. Their decisions are often based on emotions, rather than making decisions based on rational calculations.
They will deny being emotional, while believing that 5 trillion covert and assassin skills make sense to research and keep on building MLRS. What a contradiction.

Hard work gets you far in Aderan Wars, but if you don't know how much things are worth, and don't bother finding out by making some calculation, then you will have to work much harder than someone who uses math to his advantage.

I could also have spent 10 trillion kuwal on 5 trillion covert and assassin skills. But why doing that, if I can buy 100,000 AT for that money? And with 100,000 AT I can raid 100,000,000 population?
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.
Who are you buying AT from??? I want in!
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Post by mental on Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:14 pm

Steveanaya wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:
goku1719 wrote:That is personal opinion, and personal opinion is often biased and sometimes far from the truth, regardless of the number of people that share that sentiment.

Personally, I think Kenzu is a highly calculative player that just grows fast because he works hard at the game.

They do underestimate the power of math. Their decisions are often based on emotions, rather than making decisions based on rational calculations.
They will deny being emotional, while believing that 5 trillion covert and assassin skills make sense to research and keep on building MLRS. What a contradiction.

Hard work gets you far in Aderan Wars, but if you don't know how much things are worth, and don't bother finding out by making some calculation, then you will have to work much harder than someone who uses math to his advantage.

I could also have spent 10 trillion kuwal on 5 trillion covert and assassin skills. But why doing that, if I can buy 100,000 AT for that money? And with 100,000 AT I can raid 100,000,000 population?
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.
Who are you buying AT from??? I want in!

Never mind the STs to raid 100m uu. . .
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Post by Gamniac on Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:27 pm

kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.

this is your opinion. once again I will point out to you a most basic human trait. "DESIRE" until you can figure out a way to add "Human desire" into all your mathematical equations & scientific formulas you will never understand human nature, without "desire" or "I want" no game survives no matter what.

That's why I distrust math applied to humanity. Far as I can tell, that sort of stuff only works in movies. There's human nature, which consists of enough unknown variables to make my pocket calculator do the honorable thing and take its own life. By which I mean explode.
Sure, there are some folks who aspire the best efficiency and maximum results in every move (such folks were referred to as "Spike" in one article).
However, there are also numerous folks who play for fun & techs or for other reasons (same source called them "Timmy" and "Johnny", respectively).
Sure, they heard of efficiency (playing to win), and even apply it if they feel like it (or by accident), but that's it.
I daresay the Spikes are in a minority here, and to me, that's a good thing, since it's kinda hard to have an enjoyable game with a Spike.
Sure, WR happens to be led by one, but that saves the rest of the Alliance a lot of work, IMO. Best I usually manage is an average stab at whether or not farming might be a good/profitable idea.

(I admit that the Timmy, Johnny, Spike thing may not pan out very well in this environment, but it was the most workable example I could dig up).
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Re: Ban Keinutnai

Post by kingkongfan1 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 10:28 pm

Spoiler:
Gamniac wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.

this is your opinion. once again I will point out to you a most basic human trait. "DESIRE" until you can figure out a way to add "Human desire" into all your mathematical equations & scientific formulas you will never understand human nature, without "desire" or "I want" no game survives no matter what.

That's why I distrust math applied to humanity. Far as I can tell, that sort of stuff only works in movies. There's human nature, which consists of enough unknown variables to make my pocket calculator do the honorable thing and take its own life. By which I mean explode.
Sure, there are some folks who aspire the best efficiency and maximum results in every move (such folks were referred to as "Spike" in one article).
However, there are also numerous folks who play for fun & techs or for other reasons (same source called them "Timmy" and "Johnny", respectively).
Sure, they heard of efficiency (playing to win), and even apply it if they feel like it (or by accident), but that's it.
I daresay the Spikes are in a minority here, and to me, that's a good thing, since it's kinda hard to have an enjoyable game with a Spike.
Sure, WR happens to be led by one, but that saves the rest of the Alliance a lot of work, IMO. Best I usually manage is an average stab at whether or not farming might be a good/profitable idea.

(I admit that the Timmy, Johnny, Spike thing may not pan out very well in this environment, but it was the most workable example I could dig up).

If I am reading the above correctly, it sounds like you are basically agreeing with me. If so, thanks. I am in no way trying to say that keinutnai/kenzu is wrong in what he is saying about doing the math. What he cannot seem to understand,(& what several have tried to explain to him) is that "If a player wants a certain UP, or tech level, or whatever, that is what they will build. whether it makes sense mathematically or scientifically or not. that is "human nature" to go for what one wants, regardless if what one wants makes any sense." tho keinutnai/kenzu has stated several times that he does things that are only mathematically or scientifically sound, he cannot seem to comprehend that not everyone is keinutnai/kenzu.
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Post by Nomad on Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:16 pm

Well not really. He says it's not logical to buy a 5 trill upgrade yet stores millions of men and trillions of kewal on market. That in itself is not logical since those same men could be earning income in the 6 months, year, 2 years, or how ever long it takes to be released. Same goes for all those trillions of kewal that could be used to increase UP or buy more UU. So more or less it is one big contradiction.
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Re: Ban Keinutnai

Post by Keinutnai on Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:04 pm

kingkongfan1 wrote:
Spoiler:
Gamniac wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:
Keinutnai wrote:
The benefit that these 2 techs give you, are not worth the 100 million UU that you can get for it.

this is your opinion. once again I will point out to you a most basic human trait. "DESIRE" until you can figure out a way to add "Human desire" into all your mathematical equations & scientific formulas you will never understand human nature, without "desire" or "I want" no game survives no matter what.

That's why I distrust math applied to humanity. Far as I can tell, that sort of stuff only works in movies. There's human nature, which consists of enough unknown variables to make my pocket calculator do the honorable thing and take its own life. By which I mean explode.
Sure, there are some folks who aspire the best efficiency and maximum results in every move (such folks were referred to as "Spike" in one article).
However, there are also numerous folks who play for fun & techs or for other reasons (same source called them "Timmy" and "Johnny", respectively).
Sure, they heard of efficiency (playing to win), and even apply it if they feel like it (or by accident), but that's it.
I daresay the Spikes are in a minority here, and to me, that's a good thing, since it's kinda hard to have an enjoyable game with a Spike.
Sure, WR happens to be led by one, but that saves the rest of the Alliance a lot of work, IMO. Best I usually manage is an average stab at whether or not farming might be a good/profitable idea.

(I admit that the Timmy, Johnny, Spike thing may not pan out very well in this environment, but it was the most workable example I could dig up).

If I am reading the above correctly, it sounds like you are basically agreeing with me. If so, thanks. I am in no way trying to say that keinutnai/kenzu is wrong in what he is saying about doing the math. What he cannot seem to understand,(& what several have tried to explain to him) is that "If a player wants a certain UP, or tech level, or whatever, that is what they will build. whether it makes sense mathematically or scientifically or not. that is "human nature" to go for what one wants, regardless if what one wants makes any sense." tho keinutnai/kenzu has stated several times that he does things that are only mathematically or scientifically sound, he cannot seem to comprehend that not everyone is keinutnai/kenzu.

I fully understand you. I know there will be always people who will try to achieve their goals, be it having the highest up or highest tech in the game, or having the 5 trillion upgrade. I admit, it felt good to get the 50,000 UP, or the 300% attack tech. It felt real good.

And while it really doesnt make sense to go for the 50,000 UP, it's better to buy the UU, I did it anyway because I wanted. I dont have to do everything 100% efficiently. It's enough if I do it more efficiently than others.

And kingkongfan. I really understand the motives behind highest techs or being best in something. Don't think I don't understand it. All I say is that it's not efficient to do it, but that doesn't mean I won't do it myself? I do it myself as well, just not as much as others.

The point is that while I know that getting highest techs is not efficient, some other players seem to thing it IS efficient. And I am not trying to stop people from upgrading, all I want is people to realize that it's not efficient. They can still upgrade it, even while knowing it's not efficient.

Nomad wrote:Well not really. He says it's not logical to buy a 5 trill upgrade yet stores millions of men and trillions of kewal on market. That in itself is not logical since those same men could be earning income in the 6 months, year, 2 years, or how ever long it takes to be released. Same goes for all those trillions of kewal that could be used to increase UP or buy more UU. So more or less it is one big contradiction.

It's called a strategic reserve. It's detrimental to my growth now, but if airforce got released I would benefit from good techs.

And most of my reserve is kept in AT, which doesn't lose value unlike UU or kuwal anyway. The UU and kuwal I have earns income too, as I keep trading them and make profit.

Obviously I try to keep as little UU and kuwal as needed. If there was no airforce coming up, I obviously wouldn't keep such large sums of kuwal.
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Re: Ban Keinutnai

Post by goku1719 on Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:50 pm

castravete wrote:Goku you are 2nd IC at WR?...with a 28 mil population a a 183% tech?...since when did you started this game, my friend?...no offense;)

And btw, kids this thread was about Kenzu calling me a loser...and about him cheating. The one about cheating is long disscused and nothing happenes, he still cheats. But as we all can see the admin can't link the expression used by Kenny to anything offensive, also he can't see anything offensive about mucking my nick...well..that tells a lot!
Yes, I have been playing the game for about two years now. I have been on vacation a lot and I haven't been playing properly for a while, so I have fallen behind a lot.
You accuse people of cheating. Where is your proof that someone cheats? Its the same thing as someone calling someone a hacker because they are better than you at COD ...

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Post by castravete on Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:44 am

Don't really know wht COD stand's for, but as I told you before: you are totally right.

As for the cheating part...well, me, smog, vaga, fivel, truestrike and even some TIE members presented some proof that in you and strongly consider not solid, even if for anyone are pretty obvious, but if you can't read and if it is very hard for you stop...please stop I really don't want you to push your self...if you really can't read just stop...ok?Can you do that for me?

And if you really give a...damn go read some other posts and come to a conclusion. Well, we all know that you do some strong unhuman effort and read them and after that you will come back here and bark about something telling us that they are not solid proof...IS THIS NOW CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?

IF YOU WANT PROOF: READ!
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Post by goku1719 on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:04 pm

If you really were serious about accusing someone of cheating, you would give someone direct proof rather than some abstract advice on reading.

And I read plenty, thank you. Spend at least a good 5 or 6 hours a day reading, in fact.

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Post by Gamniac on Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:22 pm

As far as I know, CoD stands for either a kind of fish, or Call of Duty.
Especially the latter is fairly well known throughout the world (or at least the internet).
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Post by Manleva on Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:50 am

or Cash on Delivery
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Post by Gamniac on Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:28 pm

Nah, based on context, I'd go for Call of Duty, unless Cash on Delivery is a game I hadn't heard of before.
'sides, Shooters are the first thing that comes to mind when I think of people calling Hacks (or Hax).
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Post by Keinutnai on Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:35 pm

"Its the same thing as someone calling someone a hacker because they are better than you at COD"

I also think he meant Call of Duty.
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Post by castravete on Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:39 am

I don't really know in case...guess for him stand for : "Cheating over Dignity"...seems more realistic.


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