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Post by Void on Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:24 am

Hi admin.

I don't know if you noticed but there are missing ID's... new registered players, who deleted. So I was wondering how and why would a new player delete the account and how hard that is? To do that, one would have to go to "Account Settings" and scroll all the way down, then click that link and I'm not sure if there is a confirmation or something, but that is some work to do and quite hard to notice for a new player - which got me thinking that some new are not that new if you know what I mean. I also noticed entire pages farmed to 0 kuwal in some days at certain hours, especially between 21:00 and 00:00 when I was/am looking for raiding targets in the ranks from the pages 70 to 270.

Example of missing IDs:


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9922
9930
9931
9933
9960
9964
9970

A lot of IDs are missing and this got me thinking that someone, a master account uses a proxy or another computer with a different ID to create new accounts, farms everything with the ATs that the new registered account has, then he is attacked by the master account, and then the multi is deleted so that all the logs from the database are erased. Is this true? Can you investigate? I do not want to point fingers, but there is one player who bragged somewhere about what a good raider he is and how he can influence the market rates at his will... this can be achieved, either by having a very very powerful account with a strong economy, or by having lots of multi-accounts or infinite resources. Either way, this is serious cheating and I'm absolutely sure that someone is doing exactly as I described, just that I cannot prove it. Only you can investigate the database but this also depends on how you treat the deleted accounts in the database... it could be very hard for you too to prove this, if I'm right.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:17 am

haha nice void.

I know the player your talking about and trust me, how he did it wasn't playing an account or multiple accounts.

Its simple market.

Buy low sell high, he has been doing it for some time, and if you don't waste the resrouces on the account itself then and you keep it on the market then its always safe.

Its one of the reasons a few and growing don't like the fact that you can use the market as a bank of sorts.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Nomad on Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:23 am

All attacks are logged as well, and admin has scripts put in place. if you untrain and unbank and then get hit it redflags the hit and it is manually checked.
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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:34 am

seaborgium wrote:haha nice void.

I know the player your talking about and trust me, how he did it wasn't playing an account or multiple accounts.

Its simple market.

Buy low sell high, he has been doing it for some time, and if you don't waste the resrouces on the account itself then and you keep it on the market then its always safe.

Its one of the reasons a few and growing don't like the fact that you can use the market as a bank of sorts.

indeed. i know who he is talking about too. quite annoying at times actually. there should be a time limit placed for how long you can keep things in the market like there is with brokers. not necessarily the same amount of time as that but something.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Kenzu on Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:51 pm

If players get farmed a lot by one player then admin will be notified and will check it.

That many ID's are deleted in a short range of ID's like those you mention, it looks suspicious and even though the accounts are deleted, admin can have a look if no illegal activities have been made with them and if there was a certain "beneficiary".

It is possible though that the deleted accounts were such by pure chance, and nothing bad has happened. Admin should have a look at it though.

About influencing the market. Everyone with a strong economy can do that. If you have a big account and use a month of your income on the market to trade, you can influence the market prices by a certain degree, and that's allowed.
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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Steveanaya on Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:02 pm

I have no idea who you're talking about
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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Nomad on Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:26 pm

Steveanaya wrote:I have no idea who you're talking about

No one does.


@ King, its been brought up over and over and Admin says its suppose to be that way even tho more then a few think its an uneccisary exploit
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Re: Serious cheating

Post by seaborgium on Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:38 am

admin did say that it wasn't going to be that way but decided to leave it.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:42 pm

It should at least take some of the resources for each one that hasnt been withdrawn in a few days after the trade was accepted. perhaps 2% per day up to 20%. might discourage people from using it as a bank. I dont really know of a solution off the top of my head anyways. At least not right now. Got too drunk last night Wink

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Void on Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:18 am

9981 new missing ID

Don't forget that the discussion here is not about market control, but about players who create multies to farm/raid low, to be then farmed/raided by the master account and then deleted to erase to logs from the database. 4 days since I posted and admin hasn't answered yet, this starts to worry me that I am right about it.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Admin on Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:01 am

I'm kinda away atm, hence the no reply, here or anywhere else.

will check it

deleting account will not erase the attacks, they are still there so feeding will get noticed

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Void on Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:27 am

Again, entire pages farmed to 0 kuwal from page 203 to 215 on 22 Jul 22:25:27 game time... i doubt many of those players produce enough income to cover the cost of the ATs per farm... therefore it must be a multi doing it.

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Admin on Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:56 am

will check for those attacks.

I know though that I didn't find anyone stealing abnormally large amounts when i checked a few days ago

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Nomad on Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:20 pm

Void wrote:Again, entire pages farmed to 0 kuwal from page 203 to 215 on 22 Jul 22:25:27 game time... i doubt many of those players produce enough income to cover the cost of the ATs per farm... therefore it must be a multi doing it.

I farm those pages, but just 1 or 2 per page, not entire pages together. Several do make enough to farm profitably, and to raid profitable, just not very often. It could also be a noobie hitting very low not understanding where he really needs to be farming to be effective. I am glad Admin is looking it over to be sure.
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Re: Serious cheating

Post by Admin on Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:48 pm

ok for follow up, those accounts simply had 0 income

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by seaborgium on Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:57 pm

how do you have 0 income if you have
200 of all 3 types of income units?

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Re: Serious cheating

Post by crispy on Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:32 am

i can vouch that some players farm for extremely low amounts. i had an officer recently that was farming for as low as 26mil/hit.

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