Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

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Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

Post by seaborgium on Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:13 am

I have found that if you create a trade and then later adjust the price, it rounds your kuwal to another number and you lose that kuwal.

Example

50b kuwal paying 50m per AT = 1k ats << starting point
changed the rate to 52,631,578 = 950 ATs << kuwal amount on the market is 49,999,999,100
changed rate to 53m = 943 ATs << kuwal amount on the market is 49,979,000,000

total lost kuwal is 21m

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Post by Admin on Sun Jul 03, 2011 7:14 pm

Any suggestion on what could be done, except maybe writing a note telling people to avoid changing the price too often, would be welcome.

I can't make it so that the excess goes back since then you could recover the full offer back and then literally use it like an infinite bank (partially you can use it now too but at least someone has to accept those resources first)

Neither can it work by asking 943.3 AT's in return since in the database it'd rollover into a full integer

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Post by seaborgium on Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:16 am

maybe a market fund...

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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:44 am

I was thining about this.
Maybe have people buy market funds...

1 kuwal = 1 market fund

Then if someone changes the price the market funds come back to them

You can not convert market funds back to kuwal, can only be used on the market

maybe a bonus if you withdraw kuwal from market and have it go directly into market funds?

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Re: Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

Post by Admin on Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:23 pm

which means I have to make something like an extra bank/temp storage thingy for the market
for uu's and kuwal

not really sure about it

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Post by Keinutnai on Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:54 pm

Admin wrote:Any suggestion on what could be done, except maybe writing a note telling people to avoid changing the price too often, would be welcome.

I can't make it so that the excess goes back since then you could recover the full offer back and then literally use it like an infinite bank (partially you can use it now too but at least someone has to accept those resources first)

Neither can it work by asking 943.3 AT's in return since in the database it'd rollover into a full integer

put the kuwal in the bank, or let the game remember the total amount of kuwal and when there is less left than what you need to buy 1 uu or at, then it will go back to your bank.
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Re: Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

Post by seaborgium on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:01 pm

I was thinking that too, but admin pointed out it then becomes a bank....
your suggestion was the exact exploit we were trying to avoid.

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Post by Nomad on Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:27 pm

I'm not trying to be an A$$ here but isnt "exploits" kinna mute since it is an unlimited bank already? I mean if nothing is going to be changed from what it is now, whats wrong with adding another exploit if it fixes a true problem?
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Post by Keinutnai on Fri Apr 06, 2012 3:16 pm

seaborgium wrote:I was thinking that too, but admin pointed out it then becomes a bank....
your suggestion was the exact exploit we were trying to avoid.
My second suggestion actually prevents it from being used as a bank. You haven't read it properly.

But I really think you guys should chill. You are so focused the bank issue, like there was nothing more important to improve.
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Re: Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

Post by seaborgium on Fri Apr 06, 2012 4:03 pm

I'm not focused onit. I just hate losing funds.

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Post by Kenzu on Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:45 pm

seaborgium wrote:I'm not focused onit. I just hate losing funds.

I didnt know I was losing funds until you made this thread. I thought it goes to bank automatically, but never bothered to check if it's really true. It seems illogical that the funds simply disappear.
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Re: Changing asking price changes amount of kuwal on the market.

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:33 pm

seaborgium wrote:I was thinking that too, but admin pointed out it then becomes a bank....
your suggestion was the exact exploit we were trying to avoid.
no, you didn't understand what I wrote

I wrote I have to create another storage place, obviously it wouldn't become a bank since it'd be a temp storage to cover for any leftovers i.e. it grows for some time as you change the rates and eventually there's enough in the bank to cover for this changed rate so it drops back somewhat, rinse and repeat

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