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Post by Nomad Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:34 pm

I vote yes.


The pros outweigh the cons. I think a simple and well worded desciption of the possible failure is all that is needed so everyone is well aware of the possibility of the worst case, but even the worst case is only temperary.
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Post by abs2 Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:37 pm

sure, why not Question
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Post by seaborgium Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:39 pm

I would say yes, however, once we move I can no longer post. As work blocks your site.

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Post by Kenzu Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:44 pm

I say we should only move if it doesnt come with any disadvantages.

I like the forum the way it is, of course if the new forum has a couple perks that would be nice. However I rather not get these perks, if moving means that some things will be worse.
There were already a couple downtimes for AW server before. It's always good to know that there is a forum we can always look into if something doesn't work. If both stop working then that's really bad.

It definitely has to be thought out well and no hasty decisions should be made.

The poll should have the possibility of voting maybe/don't care.

Another con of the other forum:
The other forum Doesn't get found by google so easily, and we will lose the gain of new players who found us by finding our forum by coincidence.

This forum helps AW increase traffic as it has a much higher pagerank than AW.
Also Forumotion has more unique visitors than AW, and that's the reason I believe is responsible for making Aderan Wars content so visible in the internet.

Example: look for terms which are in this forum. For example "Aderan Wars tool set"
Google will find our forum for you very easily.

http://www.google.at/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Aderan+Wars+tool+set&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

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Post by Admin Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:47 pm

if someone doesn't care they will simply not vote, problem solved
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Post by melonhead Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:51 am

I like the forum the way it is now. And if it goes down with the site... well that's just inconvenient, where are we going to post or get information about whats going on while its down.

I say if it aint broke don't fix it.
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Post by Manleva Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:06 am

I have provisionally voted no at this stage.

While playing Lords of Legend we suffered a major outage with the data centre where the game was hosted. The saving grace for the members was that the Forums remained up and running because they were hosted at a totally separate data centre.

As it is I suffer from a lot of issues within the game with pages not loading, something I don't suffer from with the forum.

The outage to the game lasted for over a week because the complete data center where the game was hosted went down. From memory it made quite a splash in the media.

I am however intrigued around your comments of linking the game and forum and would like to have more details before any final decision is made.

I can add however that both the Lords of Legend Game and Forum were linked even though the game was hosted in Huston while the Forum was Hosted in Miami.

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Post by Steveanaya Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:23 am

This is a definite NO!

How would we do it if the pages weren't loading for individuals and they could not wait around for it to get fixed? They would lose ALL of their kuwal if they don't get notified somewhere.

Keep it like this; I see no problems at all wiu these forums and the pros are just useless as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by curumo Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:41 pm

I'm inclined towards saying no as well. Unless ofc if you manage to make the forum and game separately (so if the forum is inaccessible the game won't be Wink). Then it's cool and I'm for it.

I won't cast my vote until this question is answered (if it already has been then I apologize for not noticing it - had a rough 2 last weeks ...)

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Post by Nomad Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:45 pm

Admin wrote:

Cons to moving:
- If the host screws up that the domain is not accessible (NOT a negative turn clock but literally no pages loading) then the forum will be down as well



He covered it.

My question now is, Has this ever happened? and how many times?
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Post by curumo Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:07 pm

Thanks Smile

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Post by Admin Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:08 pm

Nomad wrote:He covered it.

My question now is, Has this ever happened? and how many times?
it did happen, most recently about 1-2 months ago, game was unavailable for a couple of hours, completely

https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/bugs-f21/game-down-turn-counter-screwed-post-only-here-t231-150.htm
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on average we're talking 1 outage per year if the past 2 years are any indication of the future.

kenzu raised a different issue, which again he didn't seem to have posted on the forum.
search engines rank results not just by relevancy of the searched text but also by size of the domain.
Forumotion domain is undisputably larger than AW, so imagining 2 identical forums, one on the AW domain and one on the forumotion, the one on the forumotion might get more hits.
On the other hand, moving the forum to the aw domain would mean more hits onto the actual aw domain, not just on our forum.
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Post by kingkongfan1 Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:54 pm

Admin wrote:
Nomad wrote:He covered it.

My question now is, Has this ever happened? and how many times?
it did happen, most recently about 1-2 months ago, game was unavailable for a couple of hours, completely

https://aderanwars.forumotion.com/bugs-f21/game-down-turn-counter-screwed-post-only-here-t231-150.htm
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on average we're talking 1 outage per year if the past 2 years are any indication of the future.

kenzu raised a different issue, which again he didn't seem to have posted on the forum.
search engines rank results not just by relevancy of the searched text but also by size of the domain.
Forumotion domain is undisputably larger than AW, so imagining 2 identical forums, one on the AW domain and one on the forumotion, the one on the forumotion might get more hits.
On the other hand, moving the forum to the aw domain would mean more hits onto the actual aw domain, not just on our forum.

then I say that based on the info given, you should do what is deemed better for the game, JMO...
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Post by Nomad Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:25 pm

I'm with Kong, I don't really understand hits on forums versus hits on the game, so its all greek to me.

I really want some decent forums, but if its better for the game to stay on these drab and bland ones then so be it. Been here over a year, so another year will not kill anyone.
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Post by Admin Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:21 am

well that's the thing, there's only so much to be done with this forum. If we move, less quantity might mean more quality.
better looking forum = someone comes by and might give the game a try

anyways, i dont think i'll bother with an ingame poll since it only applies to those who go on the forum anyway, i'll toss a coin but seems people would want to move based on their puny opinions
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Post by october_17 Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:47 am

verry true though i doubt anyone would quit a game due to the forum looking less than perfect, it might increase forum activity, and therefor less people complaining about updates thery didnt vote on
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Post by Kenzu Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:03 pm

For the sake of being able to go on the forum if the game is down, we should not move to a forum located on the same host as Aderan Wars.
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Post by Admin Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:24 pm

no one says this cannot work as a backup
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Post by seaborgium Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:35 pm

is there a way to "link" the 2.

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Post by Admin Sun Nov 28, 2010 4:01 pm

seaborgium wrote:is there a way to "link" the 2.
no, I dont have access to a database here, I just have the admin panel.
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Post by austin5650 Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:13 pm

or if we could just put RA and main on their own forum site...
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Post by Admin Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:18 pm

austin5650 wrote:or if we could just put RA and main on their own forum site...
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Post by charlychin Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:36 pm

I think it's better having the game and the forum in different servers, as admin said, if the server screws up all resource in that server will be unaccesible, so it would be impossible to know what happened until the issue will have been fixxed. I think it's better having a communication way open, perhaps anyone have to say something.

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Post by seaborgium Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:31 pm

It could be possible to create it on the game server, and then have it "sync" with a second location

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Post by r1maru Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:30 am

I am voting YES because on this forum i am banned on some locations

So that would be a fresh start
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