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Post by Nimras on Sat Mar 26, 2011 8:26 pm

I would love to know if my math is flawed or if this is a bug:

Directly from my income page:
Weapon Upkeep 23,557,057

My weapons are:
28.207 Attack weapons
300.000 Deffense Weapons

ALL Mobile Artillery.

According to the Armor page the upkeep per day should be: 3.445

So a fast match is: 328.207 * 3.445 = 1.130.673.115 / 48 = 23.555.689,895833333333333333333333 = 23.555.690 Rounded up.

So what am i missing lol because thats not right atm the game steals: 1.367 Kuwal per turn thats 65.616 Kuwal per day.

And what is worse is i have had that amount of Weapons for roughly 6 turns maybe even more yet the income page claimed my upkeep was rouhgly: 25mill per turn, meaning i lost roughly: 1.444.310 kuwal per turn making it 69.326.880 kuwal a day.

ALLLL this even tho i was in updating my Income page 7 times, logged in and out of the game, cleared my chache and cookiese and then triede the income page 7 times logging and and out as well during those rouhgly if not longer 6 turns.

So admin this game owes me for 6 turns minimum 1,5mill per turn maybe even more.

This is not good.

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Kenzu on Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:13 am

You should be paying per day:
328.207*3.445=1.130.673.115
so all your calculation seems to be correct.

23.555.690 - 23,557,057 = 1.367
So you lose 65.616 per day. That's nothing.

I guess weapon upkeep just like many other things update only once per day.

At first I thought it could be a rounding error, but it's

This is interesting,

Lets try calculate other way round.
Per day 3.445
per turn 3.445/48=71.77
round up 72

328.207*72=23.630.904

This number is even higher than your 2 numbers 23.555.690, 23,557,057.
So I am pretty sure it's only a rounding error.

In any case this rounding error must be influencing everyone in the same way, so it isnt putting you at a disadvantage.
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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Nimras on Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:21 pm

Kenzu wrote:You should be paying per day:
328.207*3.445=1.130.673.115
so all your calculation seems to be correct.

23.555.690 - 23,557,057 = 1.367
So you lose 65.616 per day. That's nothing.

I guess weapon upkeep just like many other things update only once per day.

At first I thought it could be a rounding error, but it's

This is interesting,

Lets try calculate other way round.
Per day 3.445
per turn 3.445/48=71.77
round up 72

328.207*72=23.630.904

This number is even higher than your 2 numbers 23.555.690, 23,557,057.
So I am pretty sure it's only a rounding error.

In any case this rounding error must be influencing everyone in the same way, so it isnt putting you at a disadvantage.

M8 if i do the calc for a day then it would be:

328.207 * 3.445 = 1.130.673.115
Weapon Upkeep 23.557.057 * 48 = 1.130.738.736

So a loss of: 65.621 if we do it your way thats actually 5 kuwal more a day than before.

But rounding thing thats hard as if you did: 23.555.689,895833333333333333333333 * 48 = 1.130.673.115

So without rounding up it gets to the number it should.

Basicly i do not believe its a rounding error if it was then the number in the long run should be right.

And if you say weapons upkeap only updates once a day thats not right.

That means you loose alot of KUWAL.

As far i am concerned everyone in this game if this is not a problem for me but for all are cheated out of alot of kuwal if the game keeps taking to much in weapon upkeep per turn than it should.

As you can see for 6 turns if not longer the game cheated me out of: 1.444.310 per turn making it 8.665.860 just for that short of time. Imaging if this has been on for longer.

I mean if because it doese not update proberly i might all in all have for to long payed 1,5mill kuwal per turn lets just be mean and say in total in this month have i been paying that per turn to much in a total of 12 days then i have lost: 864.000.000 KUWAL.

And before you come after me its a examble but anyway if we just run with the small amount: 1.367 per turn. Lets say that this is what everyone normally loose per turn i have been in this game since: 22 of marts 2009 thats 1 year so 1.367 a turn for 1 year = 3.412.032 kuwal in one year thats still in the long run something. That amount i could have used.

And if the amount of 1,5mill comes up now and then you already there could say even more. Imagen those who are bigger what if they loose even more i mean what if someone with the size of 30mill loose 3mill per turn as a minimum? It means they loose even more than me.

Anyway example over i will go back into my math later today to go over all the numbers to see if your right with the rounding up, but this fast run true the numbers does not convince me your right.

So unless someone makes with the prove your right before i have the time to do a prober math on your idea of rounding then i accept that lol but if they don't and i make it back first and i come out with your right then this issue is solved if Smile.

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Admin on Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:43 pm

Nimras wrote:I would love to know if my math is flawed or if this is a bug:

Directly from my income page:
Weapon Upkeep 23,557,057

My weapons are:
28.207 Attack weapons
300.000 Deffense Weapons

ALL Mobile Artillery.

According to the Armor page the upkeep per day should be: 3.445

So a fast match is: 328.207 * 3.445 = 1.130.673.115 / 48 = 23.555.689,895833333333333333333333 = 23.555.690 Rounded up.
weapon upkeep updates automatically when you buy/sell weapons and around every 2 hours while you're building them

Now you have ~345k MA's * 3,445 = 1,188,525,000 / 48 = 24,760,937 per turn
while your income page claims 23,998,043
So as expected it claims you have 10k MA's less than you really have (which makes sense because the logs indicate the weapon upkeep updated itself 40 mins ago which was the time before the last 10k MA's got produced)

anyways I'm pretty sure you would have not had it claim 25 mil upkeep unless you had a lot of other extra weapons.

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Mystake on Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:18 pm

i think he said that it was taking more from him, not less.

ur saying his maintenace is actually 24.8 (rounded) but his page says its 24.0

but i think he's saying that it was taking a bit more per turn than it was supposed to?

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Post by Kenzu on Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:26 pm

he is saying the calculation of upkeep can be delayed, as it doesnt update each turn.
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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Admin on Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:39 pm

Mystake wrote:i think he said that it was taking more from him, not less.

ur saying his maintenace is actually 24.8 (rounded) but his page says its 24.0

but i think he's saying that it was taking a bit more per turn than it was supposed to?
I am quite aware what he said.

Admin wrote:anyways I'm pretty sure you would have not had it claim 25 mil upkeep unless you had a lot of other extra weapons.

To which i explained that I am sure that the "error" was somewhere on his end.
Whenever you end up with less weapons than before, the upkeep gets updated instantly

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Post by Mystake on Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:55 pm

Maybe he attacked someone and lost some weapons? In that case, it doesn't update - correct?


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Post by Admin on Sun Mar 27, 2011 6:11 pm

Mystake wrote:Maybe he attacked someone and lost some weapons? In that case, it doesn't update - correct?
gotcha and fixed

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Nimras on Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:47 pm

Admin wrote:
Nimras wrote:I would love to know if my math is flawed or if this is a bug:

Directly from my income page:
Weapon Upkeep 23,557,057

My weapons are:
28.207 Attack weapons
300.000 Deffense Weapons

ALL Mobile Artillery.

According to the Armor page the upkeep per day should be: 3.445

So a fast match is: 328.207 * 3.445 = 1.130.673.115 / 48 = 23.555.689,895833333333333333333333 = 23.555.690 Rounded up.
weapon upkeep updates automatically when you buy/sell weapons and around every 2 hours while you're building them

Now you have ~345k MA's * 3,445 = 1,188,525,000 / 48 = 24,760,937 per turn
while your income page claims 23,998,043
So as expected it claims you have 10k MA's less than you really have (which makes sense because the logs indicate the weapon upkeep updated itself 40 mins ago which was the time before the last 10k MA's got produced)

anyways I'm pretty sure you would have not had it claim 25 mil upkeep unless you had a lot of other extra weapons.

WRONG.

When i made this post what i posted was 100% correct.

When i was talking to Seaborgium over MSN about my issue was my income still not updated even tho i had not trained WEAPONS for several turns at that point, yet while talking my income page finally updated to the number i show in my math here.

And even after UPDATING to the new number was it wrong.

Anyway dear admin my weapon upkeep is still WRONG.

I have upped my weapons to 350k total.

And even tho i was on 350k for many hours now and therefore by your accord should mean my income page should be correct then its not let me show you:

Weapon Upkeep 25,121,250
Now i have: 350.000 MA's * 3.445 = 1.205.750.000 a day / 48 = 25.119.791,666666666666666666666667 = 25.119.792 rounded up that gives:

25.121.250 - 25.119.792 = 1.458 lost a turn * 48 = 69.984 a day.
25.121.250 - 25.119.791,666666666666666666666667 = 1.458,333333333333333333333333 lost a turn * 48 = 69.999,999999999999999999999984 a day

(25,121,250 * 48 to find total a day) - (350.000 * 3.445) = 70.000 lost a day.

Thats in all 3 cases a difference.

And no i haven't done rounded math yet but i will no worriese.

So no matter what it is a problem and Admin you again failed to grasp what i was saying. I never claimed i had not after i posted started building more weapons which i did later but the problem is still the following:

1. For a LOONG time of minimum 2 turns (NOW I AM BEING NICE TO YOU ADMIN) had a income where weapons upkeep was 1,5mill bigger than what i had in ACTUALLY WEAPONS even tho i had build WEAPONS in those 2 turns.
2. That means for several turns even tho i went into Income to force a update did it not do.
3. While i was trying to force a update i trained weapons yet it did not update.
4. The fact is when it finally updated it self it still demands more than it should if we forget i haven't done rounded up test-
5. And it still owes me for several turns with wrong income after building weapons and trying to force a income update.

Thats a good sum up.

Anyway i am still going to do a roundup i just had 2 minuts to answer.

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Post by Mystake on Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:51 pm

it might hafta do with the code,

if he's using integers then it will truncate, other types of variables round up.


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Post by Admin on Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:42 pm

Mystake wrote:it might hafta do with the code,
if he's using integers then it will truncate, other types of variables round up.
Yup, the man's right.

Weapon upkeep formula is as follows:
Price x Weapon level (knife being 0) x 0.0006
That gets us with MA's to 3,445.2

350,000 x 3,445.2 /48 = 25,121,250

Also you had your weapon upkeep every 2 hours while building weapons. So consider that whatever kuwal you paid too much before, if that even happened, you got back during the building process.

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Nimras on Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:26 pm

Admin wrote:
Mystake wrote:it might hafta do with the code,
if he's using integers then it will truncate, other types of variables round up.
Yup, the man's right.

Weapon upkeep formula is as follows:
Price x Weapon level (knife being 0) x 0.0006
That gets us with MA's to 3,445.2

350,000 x 3,445.2 /48 = 25,121,250

Also you had your weapon upkeep every 2 hours while building weapons. So consider that whatever kuwal you paid too much before, if that even happened, you got back during the building process.

Well since i know for a fact when i was done farming had i lost a total rounded up 30k weapons.

I rebuild roughly 9k of that.

Yet from when i was done farming and rebuilding 9k weapons and until i posted here was my Weapon upkeep demanding kuwal after number of weapons equal to 341k.

And since i know when i was done farming and also know when i post here dear admin you can find out if i actually got what the game cheated me out of:

[26 Mar] 11:18 xxxxx 2,700 Units Abducted 156 306 322,132,867 586,533,033 details <---- Game Time my last hit.

My post here: Mar 26 2011, 22:26 <----- My TIME that is.

Admin you should be able to figure this out as i know for a fact the game from that hit still counted my upkeep as if i had 341k MA's and when i posted had it just minuts ago updated to the upkeep i showed here while making a bug report.

And no i do not have more in my bank nor out but what i should have made by my income from what i can calculate so no money back.

Anyway i will do a better math later today my time Smile.

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Post by Admin on Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:16 pm

Should I include the money you saved while building those 350k weapons in that calculation?

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Re: Weapon cost

Post by Nimras on Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:39 am

Admin wrote:Should I include the money you saved while building those 350k weapons in that calculation?

What money saved admin?

I was online while my weapons was build and every turn the weapon upkeep rose as weapons got build, where as i can't say the same for when i filed this report Wink.

Anyway at work will do math when i get home should have time today.

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Post by Admin on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:57 pm

the upkeep only recalcs every 2 hours when you build weapons Smile
meaning you always pay less than you should until you stop producing

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Post by Nimras on Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:13 pm

Admin wrote:the upkeep only recalcs every 2 hours when you build weapons Smile
meaning you always pay less than you should until you stop producing

Strange as i as online all the time and everyturn i checked income page and the Upkeep did rise everyturn Wink.

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