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Post by raglory on Sat Mar 26, 2011 9:44 am

Im` selling kuwal, UUs for main resources
If interested, just PM me, and we`ll set up a price. IGN: Raglory.

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Post by Kenzu on Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:40 pm

How do you want to do that?
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Post by raglory on Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:15 pm

simple; just watch me.

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Re: Selling RA resources for main

Post by Nomad on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:14 pm

ummm,, I can think of 3 completely legal ways

1 is limited, and two are completely unlimited and uncontrolable.

Do let me know if it goes well for you. I may start playing again and follow suit. Personally I know few players who would give main resources for RA stuff, but if there is a market and a demand some one will be there to fill that demand
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Re: Selling RA resources for main

Post by Kenzu on Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:41 pm

Here a warning:

Galactic market is not intended to be used for resource transfer.
Private broker function has been removed from RA already before the release in november 2009, so that no one sends resources to other players and doesn't get an unfair advantage this way.

If someone abuses GM for resource transfer, then a permaban for that player is a guarantee.

Obviously finding other loopholes and abusing them will also not be tolerated.
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Post by Nomad on Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:43 pm

GM is open for all to use isnt it? so how can it be abused?

If anyone wants to sell for as low as as high as the GM allows them to set, then can someone else not accept/buy/sell at the same price?

You might want to clarify "loopholes". May have been mentioned many times before and what you may consider a loophole someone else may not, or what someone else considers a loophole you may not. Banning someone for using a game feature without warning shows a lack of decent adminship in the game so I hope you "bann" lightly.
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Post by Kenzu on Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:04 am

If someone wants to sell cheap, then it's ok.
I always take care when banning players. And if I believe it isn't clear for a player that he is braking the rules, then I might give a warning first and revert the action, without banning a player.

The game states clearly that it's illegal to gain unfair advantages. If it's rather easy to recognise that something could be against the rules and it's done anyway without asking, then it's obvious that a ban is the only solution.

One example where activity on GM can be considered illegal is when two players agree that one will send resources to the other player for example this way:

Player A buys uu for 400.000, After he bought them, he will place them on the market for 200.000 and inform Player B. Player B watches the market and buys the uu back for a much cheaper price. This way Player B has been sent resources from Player A. If done with big amounts of UU or done repeatedly, it will result in a major transfer of resources from one player to another. This is just one of the examples I can think of. I am sure those who want to cheat will come up with others as well.
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Re: Selling RA resources for main

Post by Nomad on Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:59 am

so you just controdict yourself


its ok to sell to one player at a low price but not another? Thats BS.

id its out there on GM its out there for ALL to buy. That just means your willing to bann a person for the exact same action you wouldnt bann someone else for.


Tho the ways to move funds I know of still dont use the GM
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Post by Kenzu on Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:58 pm

Let me make it clear to you.

You are allowed to trade on GM, but you are not allowed to exploit GM possibilities to "send resources to other players"

trading, and resource transfer are two different things.

You might want to re-read my post, because you seem not to have read it carefully enough.
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Post by Nomad on Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:31 pm

I read it fine, maybe you should actually read what you said.

You clearly stated it ok for 1 person to sell at XXX price

but if that same person sells to a different person for the EXACT SAME price you will/may bann them.

Thats BS any way you cut it.


Anyway, point is made and this converstaion will go no were so I won't continue
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Post by Kenzu on Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:46 pm

Player A buys uu for 400.000, After he bought them, he will place them on the market for 200.000 and inform Player B.

400k and 200k is not the same price.
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Re: Selling RA resources for main

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:32 pm

how would you know who he is trading with (if anyone) or if he is just selling uu at a cheap rate to make a quick buck? Not sure how you can keep track of such a thing

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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 07, 2011 12:23 am

KoS all trading in the game is watched. everything has a name on it.
hell everything in the game has a name on it.
admin knows everything.

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Post by Kenzu on Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:39 am

Kingofshinobis1 wrote:how would you know who he is trading with (if anyone) or if he is just selling uu at a cheap rate to make a quick buck? Not sure how you can keep track of such a thing

Let's make an example
I could make an arragement with you that for 5$ I will send you 200.000 UU on RA.

The buy and sell price on RA could be 220k and 400k per uu.
I could then add an offer where I buy 100k uu for 390k and sell 100k uu for 230k.
Then I would let you know that I prepared the offers.
Then you would pay your 100k uu and get 39 billion kuwal from me
And pay 23 billion to get 100k uu from me.
Result: I transfered to you 16 billion kuwal.
You can then place the 16 billion kuwal and buy 69.595 UU from me at 230.000
Final result: You gained 69.595 UU from me for free.

This could be done repeatedly or in bigger amounts to transfer more resources.

This is an example of feeding through GM and would result in a ban for both players.
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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:48 am

Kenzu the example you are giving is buy off the market and then selling on the market.
Someone could just sell on the market and you would never know the difference.

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Post by Kenzu on Thu Apr 07, 2011 1:10 pm

seaborgium wrote:Kenzu the example you are giving is buy off the market and then selling on the market.
Someone could just sell on the market and you would never know the difference.

There is no reason why someone should sell much cheaper and buy m,uch more expensive at the same time.
Obviously value of the trade will be considered, the price discrepancy, as well as who were the recipients and sellers of resources when determining if someone will be banned or not.

If for example someone sells uu on main for 250k, and then after 1 week is in need of uu and pays 280k per uu, then this seems reasonable and will not be punished.
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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:00 pm

Again... you are looking at it as if someone is buying/selling.
We are pointing out that if someone is justSELLING. You would never know the difference.

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Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:34 pm

seaborgium wrote:Again... you are looking at it as if someone is buying/selling.
We are pointing out that if someone is justSELLING. You would never know the difference.

this is what I was trying to get at here. Razz i suck at explaining things

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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:44 pm

KoS I think next set we will play and just build UP, and a few little stats. We will then sell UU for $ and sell it off cheap, and to cover the cost of buying the UU, we will let it get "taken" off us.

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Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:09 pm

seaborgium wrote:KoS I think next set we will play and just build UP, and a few little stats. We will then sell UU for $ and sell it off cheap, and to cover the cost of buying the UU, we will let it get "taken" off us.

sounds like a plan to me haha. i could use some extra $$

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Post by Kenzu on Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:40 pm

It makes no difference for me if you sell it for cash or if you give it away for free. Resource transfers will lead to a ban.
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Post by Nimras on Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:19 pm

Kenzu wrote:It makes no difference for me if you sell it for cash or if you give it away for free. Resource transfers will lead to a ban.

And you prove yet again what a bad admin you are and how you ruin the game together with your brother on main typical but meh we are used to it, fun tho to see how you 2 end up ruining the game more and more instead of listning to the players.

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Post by seaborgium on Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:44 pm

Kenzu wrote:It makes no difference for me if you sell it for cash or if you give it away for free. Resource transfers will lead to a ban.

If I put it on the market at the low end of the scale, please tell me how you can tell that I sold it for $$?

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Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:22 pm

To further emphasize seas point take a look at this:

Minimum Rate 1:125,072

that is kuwal for uu. i would gladly pay less than half the current rate if someone is stupid enough to put it that low.

now you have to pick out 4 different things.
1) did i trade for money?
2) did i accidently push a 1 instead of 2?
3) did i put it up there that low because i knew it would sell almost instantly?
4) am i just stupid and put it up there for a ridiculously low rate because i suck at the market and am a 8 year old playing xD Razz

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Re: Selling RA resources for main

Post by Admin on Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:10 pm

Kingofshinobis1 wrote:
now you have to pick out 4 different things.
1) did i trade for money?
2) did i accidently push a 1 instead of 2?
3) did i put it up there that low because i knew it would sell almost instantly?
4) am i just stupid and put it up there for a ridiculously low rate because i suck at the market and am a 8 year old playing xD Razz
You're forgetting there's 5) and 6)

5) you are one sidedly pushing an advantage to a single player making the game unfair towards others
6) there was clearly some bug with getting the resources because nobody in their clear minds would sell for that low since even asking 50% more would make the deal get accepted instantly. So you would not get banned since it wasn't your fault that the resources were available that cheaply. Neither was it the buyers fault since they couldn't know it was a bug, so they will get told to report any further strange occurences. And to keep the game fair for everyone, the resources will simply get removed from the buyers account and they will receive whatever they paid plus interest.

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