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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by kingkongfan1 on Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:08 pm

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Kenzu wrote:
Nomad wrote:Seems to me prices didnt really drop and have actually risen


anyway admin can tell if it has helped activity? and if its helped by more actions or more trading?

This is largely to the fact that inflation is faster than the hampering effect of AT on prices.
Afterall the profit fall caused by increased number of AT is a slow one, and the full effect will take much longer to develop.

Another reason might be that less people want to farm. With less farmers, you can steal more kuwal per hit.

I'd say its a combination of both

Although I haven't seen a decrease in farming, I noticed that it's much harder to find good raid targets to raid for the values I usually raid to. Before it was extremely easy to find loads of targets with 2200-2500 UU per hit. Now such raid targets are much more scarce, as most give 1900-2100 uu per hit.

I say people farm the same, but raid more.

As a matter of observation, IMO there has been an increase in farming, & raiding, but I am still able to find plenty of farms,(500,000,000 or more), & raids,(tween 2200/2500 per hit), without difficulty, there is plenty out there, you just have to be willing to spend a few extra minutes finding them...
Also I have noticed that prices on the GM are going up, not down, & even if the prices do drop at some point, I am sure it wouldn't cause the game to end... JMO...

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austin5650 wrote:So is it being suggested that AT be harder to come by?

Quite the opposite, kenzu is afraid that there are too many AT's available to players, & that it will be harmful to the game...


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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Kenzu on Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:45 am

I was right.

Look at this:
AT prices fell as I expected.
You can buy 10 AT in the trade center for only

186.2 million

and you sell 10 AT for:

174 million

Current rates:
Kuwal Untrained Units Turns
[ 2,700,450,000 / 2,610,435,000 ] [ 17,550 / 16,965 ] [ 150 / 145 ]


Comparison to 20 Nov prices:

AT seller sold 150 AT in the trade center got 3,547,103,680 kuwal.
236.5 million per AT

now he gets only 174 million per AT

What does it mean?

AT price in the trade center has collapsed, and fell by 26.4% within 2 weeks in absolute terms.
Considering that without a change AT usually rises by a couple percent each week, AT price is now in reality 30-35% lower than what it should be without a change.


I rest my case
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by seaborgium on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:27 pm

Admin wrote:trade center prices changed but for a different reason.
Trade of ST for resources do not take out resources out of the market anymore, they did before.

since it meant that there'd less and less resources in total on the market eventually it'd drain the market completely, and also one of the reasons why it got to the 3.7 bil price which had nothing to do with reality.

But according to your logic, in 2 weeks it should drop to around 2.2 bil kuwal.

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Nomad on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:59 pm

Way to wait until 1 day that the market makes a big shift as it always does to say something. Even when prices were rising you wouldnt say anything.

Anyone with some size can effect the market drasticly for a day.

Lets look over 3 to 5 days and watch your "proof" wash away

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by kingkongfan1 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:00 pm

Spoiler:
Kenzu wrote:I was right.

Look at this:
AT prices fell as I expected.
You can buy 10 AT in the trade center for only

186.2 million

and you sell 10 AT for:

174 million

Current rates:
Kuwal Untrained Units Turns
[ 2,700,450,000 / 2,610,435,000 ] [ 17,550 / 16,965 ] [ 150 / 145 ]


Comparison to 20 Nov prices:

AT seller sold 150 AT in the trade center got 3,547,103,680 kuwal.
236.5 million per AT

now he gets only 174 million per AT

What does it mean?

AT price in the trade center has collapsed, and fell by 26.4% within 2 weeks in absolute terms.
Considering that without a change AT usually rises by a couple percent each week, AT price is now in reality 30-35% lower than what it should be without a change.


I rest my case

I will say it again, Where is the harm? prices of ALL resources ALWAYS fluxuate, the game has not imploded upon itself, so as far as I am concerned, no harm done...

Also I have to assume that players voted to keep the extra AT's as there has been no talk of removing them, which would seem to indicate that they are here to stay...
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by kingkongfan1 on Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:50 am

Kenzu wrote:I was right.

Look at this:
AT prices fell as I expected.
You can buy 10 AT in the trade center for only

186.2 million

and you sell 10 AT for:

174 million

Current rates:
Kuwal Untrained Units Turns
[ 2,700,450,000 / 2,610,435,000 ] [ 17,550 / 16,965 ] [ 150 / 145 ]


Comparison to 20 Nov prices:

AT seller sold 150 AT in the trade center got 3,547,103,680 kuwal.
236.5 million per AT

now he gets only 174 million per AT

What does it mean?

AT price in the trade center has collapsed, and fell by 26.4% within 2 weeks in absolute terms.
Considering that without a change AT usually rises by a couple percent each week, AT price is now in reality 30-35% lower than what it should be without a change.


I rest my case

@ Kenzu, I hope that you will be glad to hear that the cost of Attack Turns has gone back up in the GM. 39,000,000-45,000,000 per AT as of this post, I still have not figured out what your problem was in the first place, cause things worked out just as several of us predicted; prices dropped for a little bit, then rose back to what they were selling for before the extra AT were added...
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Kenzu on Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:30 pm

Everything happened as I predicted

AT cost would have been much higher by now if the game wouldn't be flooded with AT.

Without the change, we could now easily farm for 500 or 600 million kuwal.

Inflation has brought the prices to where they were before the change. The change didn't improve anything, except leading to a loss of real value of AT.
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Nomad on Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:38 pm

so your in favor of and backing high inflation?


And I can say things happened just as I said as well Wink

Nothing much changed, but activity levels of account building actions increased as well as trading.

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by kingkongfan1 on Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:14 am

Kenzu wrote:Everything happened as I predicted

AT cost would have been much higher by now if the game wouldn't be flooded with AT.

Without the change, we could now easily farm for 500 or 600 million kuwal.

Inflation has brought the prices to where they were before the change. The change didn't improve anything, except leading to a loss of real value of AT.

1. As you predicted? there were at least 5 players saying the course this would take, what makes you so special?...
2. sounds like you are promoting hyperinflation to me, I really do not think that is good for the game...
3. without the change? what are you talking about? I farm for no less than 500,000,000 per hit now; & have been for about 8 weeks now, so your statement does not make any sense...
4. Who are you to determine what is or is not the real value of AT? as far as I am concerned, it is a matter for the buyers & sellers to determine not you...
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by seaborgium on Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:47 pm

I just wanted to point this out

[ 4,527,336,150 / 4,376,424,945 ] [ 14,100 / 13,630 ] [ 150 / 145 ]
that comes out to roughly
1at = 97 UUs
1at = 31,223,008 Kuwal

thats better then the current market.

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Kenzu on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:17 pm

what are you getting at?
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by seaborgium on Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:52 pm

I am getting at that you keep saying that turns were falling, I am pointing out that they are near or over current GM.

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Kenzu on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:12 pm

Look, if there was no change, then turns would cost 60 million now, and a farm or raid hit would give 2 times more kuwal or untrained as well.
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by seaborgium on Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:40 pm

You can't say that with 100% certainty. No-one can.

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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by Kenzu on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:06 pm

I cant say with certainty if it would be 60 million, but what I can say with certainty is that if players didnt produce 100 AT each day, but only 48 each day, then AT price would be much higher.

The GM prices of AT were pretty much on halt for many months as the market is getting used to the overproduction, but before the update, AT prices were growing at a relatively regular pase.
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Re: Aderan Apple Farmers

Post by seaborgium on Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:10 pm

They are growing again due to stagnation. Less people selling, less people playing. Yes there is a way I know this but I not giving away everything.

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