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Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:47 pm

Ok, the last backup of the game I have is from several hours before the war started (8th june, 00:30 GMT or INGAME 8 june, 15:30).
Anyone even so much as secretly discussing why that particular time, will get their account banned permanently, I am in no mood to waste my time responding to spam right now, discussion is forbidden now and in the future.

Now, we have 2 alternatives.
I throw in the last backup which takes about 2 minutes and you guys can go bash your heads in with your enormous egos.

Or I spend my afternoon and probably half the night, or maybe until the morning...
Writing a script to:
1) reverse run everything that has been done since the first illegal login until now (weapon sales/purchases, untrainings, trainings, attacks, trade center actions, message sends, resource sendings, etc.)
2) forward run everything that has been killed and lost to be applied to the respective alliances ME (as well as obviously recreating the alliances)


I am certain everyone will want to wager to wait so that specific strategical advantages both sides are under the delusion of having can be kept as much as possible.
However there is a possibility that I will run into an obstacle that will make it impossible to have a clean run through the logs for whatever reason.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:10 pm

I say give it some us a little time to discuss it. If that is ok?

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Post by Beldar on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:14 pm

r1maru wrote:if it's about alibis then i have to say that when this happened i was watching episodes 7, 8, 9, 10 (season 1) from legend of the seeker

if necessary i can write a summary of those episodes

I definitely do not believe you till i see this summary in the next hours...


But then you had enough time to see these episodes since this all happened... Shocked


Admin do what you think is right, this is your game after all :p

I say we try to focus into fixing the bug + finding the one responsible for this as first priority...
Losing the war is a bummer but c'est la vie...

But it will be fun...
Imagine castravete rolling back inside FIRE and playing the loyal subject lol!


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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by stars on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:16 pm

SMARTEST THING TO DO IP BAN!!! if you need assistance uro let me know. I will try to help you solve the problem

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by stars on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:20 pm

One other thing. You can put the entire server on 24 hours of PPT while you fix up the patches.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:22 pm

stars wrote:One other thing. You can put the entire server on 24 hours of PPT while you fix up the patches.
what patches?
the bug is fixed, it was within 5 minutes of me finding this thread.

it's the aftermath, please read the last post
and yeh, ppt ain't gonna happen, there's smarter things that can be done, dont see why they shouldn't be just because other admins are lazy bums

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Post by buhcoreTheGreat on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:25 pm

Admin wrote:
and yeh, ppt ain't gonna happen, there's smarter things that can be done, dont see why they shouldn't be just because other admins are lazy bums

So you're making the 2nd option?

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Writing a script to:
1) reverse run everything that has been done since the first illegal login until now (weapon sales/purchases, untrainings, trainings, attacks, trade center actions, message sends, resource sendings, etc.)
2) forward run everything that has been killed and lost to be applied to the respective alliances ME (as well as obviously recreating the alliances)
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Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:27 pm

I think the only ME that would be gained would be the items done from the time of the back up to just before the bug.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:45 pm

obviously, but it's still a pain
As I said, either I can have the game running in 2 minutes or 6-12 hours. Depending on what the end result should be.

I am personally hurt in my pride so I'll go for the latter option, not letting a wanker force a rollback.
If they are feeling pro they can try hack the host to actually get directly into the database, that's probably the only time I'll be forced to do a rollback.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:48 pm

Vesper wrote:Maybe after this bug is patched you can make it impossible to log in through a proxy server? I Know a few games that have coding like that. Not sure how it is done though
no it's not possible to block it effectively.

It's a check on the level of a child safety. Some troglodyte would get stopped by it, but considering it's the "smarter" people are the reason someone does it, then it's a total waste because a) you will never get a full list of proxies and b) you can easily make new proxies

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by kingkongfan1 on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:52 pm

I vote the first alternative; seems to me the fastest & cleanest way to get the game back up, & I do understand what will be lost if/when this is done... sorry guys JMO... king
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:54 pm

We are trying to discuss it but right now is the most rotten time to try and get main people together

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Vesper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:49 pm

The last roll back was an hour or two before TIE hit castravete if i remember correctly. If it was one of the massed accounts attempting to force a roll back to before they got massed then they accomplished their goal. That is why I think it is best that we put things back to how there were up until a bit before the hack occurred. Perhaps admin can go through and sort the code until the activity slowed down. To save admin trouble and time I would ask that he only recalls information leading up to last night 00:00 game time. That will save the admin some trouble and afaik nothing happened from 00:00 gametime and the time of the hack that would impact the server other then farming. If someone did any large scale massing then by all means add that in as well but I know that TIE massed best but I believe that we were done by 00:00 gametime.

If everyone agrees to this I think it will make life easier on the admin.
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:53 pm

Ok, so I went over the logs and I basically need to run back 14k pageviews since the first illegitimate login to reverse whatever shit happened.

And I need to run forward several thousand attacks, sabs and assassinations to be correctly added to war experience of several hundred different players.

That'll be heck of a fun

And no, I wont be running it back to the time when you suggest vesper, you got the times wrong

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by ian on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:57 pm

Vesper wrote:The last roll back was an hour or two before TIE hit castravete if i remember correctly. If it was one of the massed accounts attempting to force a roll back to before they got massed then they accomplished their goal. That is why I think it is best that we put things back to how there were up until a bit before the hack occurred. Perhaps admin can go through and sort the code until the activity slowed down. To save admin trouble and time I would ask that he only recalls information leading up to last night 00:00 game time. That will save the admin some trouble and afaik nothing happened from 00:00 gametime and the time of the hack that would impact the server other then farming. If someone did any large scale massing then by all means add that in as well but I know that TIE massed best but I believe that we were done by 00:00 gametime.

If everyone agrees to this I think it will make life easier on the admin.

That sounds like a good plan.

I think rolling-back the server when there is such a huge war raging (i.e. i d say close to half the server is directly involved) should be a option of last resort given the huge ramifications it should have.

That said - admin if you honestly feel the difficulty involved in sorting through the damage done by this bug is too great proportionally to the benefits gained from allowing the server to progress "naturally" without the benefits of hind-sight.... then do the roll-back.

If there's a reasonable chance you can fix the damage done and keep the server as it is though - that i think should be the priority lol
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 4:59 pm

I think I made it pretty clear I wont make a rollback considering I have a list of all pages visited and probably a list of 98% of the actions that people did.

But as I said, it'll be a while

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by ian on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:01 pm

Admin wrote:I think I made it pretty clear I wont make a rollback considering I have a list of all pages visited and probably a list of 98% of the actions that people did.

But as I said, it'll be a while

Fair enough lol. Noone can complain that your making one hell of a effort to correct this Smile
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:25 pm

tbh I consider this a "hacker" fail.

They logged into admin account, looked around, found no special pages, and left.
Now imagine this'd be dune ....

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Post by  Angel Slayer on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:25 pm

Logging in disabled for all users
Come back later in 666 minutes

Now thats evil Twisted Evil

lol just wanted to say good luck admin,
we can imagine the BS your going through.
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by ian on Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:36 pm

Admin wrote:tbh I consider this a "hacker" fail.

They logged into admin account, looked around, found no special pages, and left.
Now imagine this'd be dune ....

LOL, omg it would be a disaster if this was dune Razz
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Sandwalker on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:00 pm

It's not me.

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Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:23 pm

lol wrong dune.

Why is dune admins account different then others?

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Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:27 pm

it can ban people Smile
and I think it can also do a bit more than that

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Post by Kenzu on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:30 pm

The hacker must be some retard who thinks he can mess with Aderan Wars.
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:33 pm

oh wow, how stupid can you be.

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