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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:01 am

i will be the chief whiner

i am whining already... i had some assassins queued for training... now i have to train them again... i was in ppt awaiting to be massed, now i have to wait again Sad

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by skyfighter on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:41 am

Admin wrote:yeh, i'm more worried about the whiners who'll cry when I come home and find out that the backup, that we'll rollback to, will be between 30 (best case) and 50 hours (worst case) back.

Wouldn't that be fun?

I mean i'm not worried, but if I make a public warning that anyone whining about it will get their forum and ingame account suspended for a week, then i'll get accussed of excessive punishing for no reason.
whatever, as I said, enjoy the next 8-9 hours, there's no rollback going to happen until I get home.

That's what you get for baking half-working fix for known critical bugs, and you would punish the players for complaining? This is typical of you.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:50 am

skyfighter wrote:That's what you get for baking half-working fix for known critical bugs, and you would punish the players for complaining? This is typical of you.
Which part of "uploaded a fix and tested a dozen combinations of correct/incorrect login data to make sure it was working as it should" did you not get?

I will gladly repeat it for you in idiot language

Or would you rather I'd apply the cloak and dagger mentality of the admins in sgw/dune/taw?
Tbh in the last half a year I came to realize why they do it, however I felt that the players deserve more than that, but if people like it better the other way then I'll gladly comply with that demand.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Miglow on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:01 am

With all the stuff with the war recently, this has to be the absolute worst time for there to be a hack like this. Which leads me to believe the timing was intentional. It's even possible that getting the site rolled back was the whole point of the attack, tho I may be giving the person too much credit.

this really does make me sad, as this will most likely wipe out my best farming streak thus far. Sad
yeah, im whining. it's just really stupid and really damned annoying that pretty muchg everyone in the game gets punished because one A-hole decides to hack the game. he's screwed us all, and is probably laughing about it.

Yes, I realise that anything I may lose is probably a drop in the bucket for those that were victimized. Probably won't find out, but I'm a little curious what other accounts than SA47 got seriously hit.

ya know, even a permaban is too good for whoever did this.

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Post by Jiro on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:08 am

Skyfighter, you must have forgotten the sarcasm tag. This was an exploit being used. Someone deliberately trying to damage the game. Blame the hacker, rather than Admin.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:21 am

Miglow wrote:it's just really stupid and really damned annoying that pretty muchg everyone in the game gets punished because one A-hole decides to hack the game.

it's not stupid, it's like in the army... one for all and all for one

it doesn't bother me

Jiro wrote:Skyfighter, you must have forgotten the sarcasm tag.

i don't know about Skyfighter, but i have them opened by default in the reply box
rarely i delete them Razz
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:34 am

a rollback is not 100% certain. I might be able to write a script that will run through all action logs and "turn them back"

However considering some issues I might end up with, there is also a chance I will write a log to run through the actions that have been made since the last backup

or maye just a rollback. I simply dont know for sure at the moment

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:05 am

will we get an extension for the Supporter Status?

i should have my SS extended with the same time the server is down

in this time i could have bought many UUs
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Post by ian on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:07 am

Admin wrote:a rollback is not 100% certain. I might be able to write a script that will run through all action logs and "turn them back"

However considering some issues I might end up with, there is also a chance I will write a log to run through the actions that have been made since the last backup

or maye just a rollback. I simply dont know for sure at the moment

I think the hacker became active and started causing damage from about 17.12 ingame time onwards (thats when TIE first got disbanded). After that everything else happened.

Not sure if knowing the precise time of the *known* exploitations of the bug will make it easier for you to do the script idea thing, but figured i d post it lol
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:09 am

you know ian, when i saw your message about disbanding, i did not believed you

until i saw that i am alliance-less too Razz

you know, like when you shout "the wolf" too many times
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:11 am

well if you had been on msn when it all started I am sure you would have seen it differently.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Kenzu on Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:48 am

I just hope all the damage can be undone.

This definitely looks like a hack-attack.

After this gets fixed

I think it will be necessary from now on to make a back up each single day, so that any damage done in the future can be undone without much loss.

And keep back up for at least 1 week.

I'm calling for a permaban of the person/people involved in this.
Anyone who tries to get rid of his account or sell his resources, is a potential hacker.
But the hacker can only be found after his actions are traced back.
It must have been done by someone who plays the game.

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea if the leaders of the strongest 3-5 alliances would receive some kind of possibility to freeze the game progress if something like this happens, so that we can stop damage being done to the game earlier.

Of course, abuse of this possibility would lead to the loss of the right to freeze the game and a temporary or permanent ban.
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:24 pm

I don't think anyone would argue against a permaban.
I have my account for sale does that mean that I am a person on intrest?
I will tell you right now, I was on my drive home when all this started.
Tracing maybe a bit hard
I agree it was someone who played the game till recently.

TIE has already gone in 72 hour ceasefire with the war.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:45 pm

if it's about alibis then i have to say that when this happened i was watching episodes 7, 8, 9, 10 (season 1) from legend of the seeker

if necessary i can write a summary of those episodes
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by Admin on Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:48 pm

ian wrote:I think the hacker became active and started causing damage from about 17.12 ingame time onwards (thats when TIE first got disbanded). After that everything else happened.

Not sure if knowing the precise time of the *known* exploitations of the bug will make it easier for you to do the script idea thing, but figured i d post it lol
I can tell you the exact SECOND of each and every alliance disbanding
Hell, I can tell you which pm's got read, what pages opened and what units trained.

That's why a rollback in the literal sense of taking the current database and tracing back all actions that have been done is an actually realistic alternative.
The only issue I'll have is that with disbanding the alliance, the alliance war exp have been deleted and I dont keep a backup of those.

The thing with finding the person, they used a proxy, so the only way for me to track them is to find the person they got into first by finding out about the bug and hope it was somewhat of an accidental finding out of the bug which means the ip they logged in with will be the one they regularly use.
Considering the IP list has around 25-30k records and I need to find the 2-3 relevant ones .... yes talk about a needle in a haystack, kinda somewhere between a n*n and a n^n problem

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by buhcoreTheGreat on Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:50 pm

its probably me or kira .
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Post by Lucien Lachance on Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:19 pm

so thats why login is disabled then.... damn, pleased to have an admin that wants to fix the issue... good luck in tracking him down admin i hope you find the b******d!

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Post by Kira on Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:34 pm

can we have the ip anyways? unless your hiding something admin.
you can pm me if you don't want to show it on public

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and e-mail.

Thanks.

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Post by Magnus on Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:50 pm

Ragnarok wrote:so thats why login is disabled then.... damn, pleased to have an admin that wants to fix the issue... good luck in tracking him down admin i hope you find the b******d!

good luck Admin and if I knew how to program I would help.
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Post by Magnus on Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:53 pm

Kira wrote:can we have the ip anyways? unless your hiding something admin.
you can pm me if you don't want to show it on public

edit:
and e-mail.

Thanks.

no offense, but I do not think anyone except admin should be doing this. If people play this game and are admins, they could be bias too. This is not a offensive post to anyone. Please do not get me wrong, but it can be anyone and I think admin should be the only one checking in on this. Greetz all
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Post by Vesper on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:00 pm

Maybe after this bug is patched you can make it impossible to log in through a proxy server? I Know a few games that have coding like that. Not sure how it is done though
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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:01 pm

is that even possible? I could see it blocking some proxy but not all. Also some places of work use proxy servers.

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Re: Bug is back Admin

Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:05 pm

Admin wrote:The only issue I'll have is that with disbanding the alliance, the alliance war exp have been deleted and I dont keep a backup of those.

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This is most likey the main reason everyone wants there alliance back.


Kenzu you still didn't answer my question

I have my account for sale does that mean that I am a person on intrest?

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Post by r1maru on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:17 pm

yes you are according to a previous post of mine

r1maru wrote:so i think it's either someone that posted that he sells something, either someone that was playing a spam game

we should check the guys that started threads in which it was no activity since the war started, and there you go... we have the hacker...

Idea


now... am i not the smartest guy around for figuring this out?

yes i am
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Post by seaborgium on Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:21 pm

I posted my account for sale when TIE 'disbanded' before.

Also I wouldn't have been able to do anything with the site. I was driving home from work.

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