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Post by Nomad on Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:19 pm

Was it intended for you to be able to buy weapons higher then your own weapons research level? I question this for 2 reasons. Let me explain more by showing you what drew my attention to this.

Military Stats
Strike Action: 41,016,398
Defensive Action 58,948,593
Covert Action 23,909,600
Assasin Action 1,635,920
Spy Power: 1520
Assasin Power: 1000
Weapon Level 8 <------------This is heavy mortar level.
Attack Turns: 398
Unit Production: 5,957

Technological Development
Attack Technology: 106%
Defense Technology: 107%
Covert Technology: 111%
Assassin Technology: 104%

Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
Main Battle Tank Defense 250 1,100 <---------------3 levels above his research level
IFV Defense 2,256 800 <-----------------------2 levels above his research level
IFV Attack 2,318 800 <-----------------------2 levels above his research level
Heavy Mortar Defense 3,925 380
Heavy Mortar Attack 3,230 380
Grenade Launcher Defense 3,797 250
Grenade Launcher Attack 1,950 250
Machine Gun Defense 2,840 150

What I find more disturbing is looking in the BM weapons list and looked at the prices for them.
Weapon Power Upkeep Cost Amount
Main Battle Tank 1,100 2,310 409,640 (133 %) 139,077
IFV 800 1,242 169,280 (92 %) 409,300
APC 560 672 81,760 (73 %) 193,919
Heavy Mortar 380 299 41,610 (73 %) 112,298
Grenade Launcher 250 113 23,000 (92 %) 26,855
Machine Gun 150 56 13,800 (92 %) 16,002
Sniper Rifle 90 35 8,541 (73 %) 128
Assault Rifle 45 16 8,136 (113 %) 2,336
Submachine Gun 20 5 2,628 (73 %) 602
Automatic Pistol 10 1 3,325 (175 %) 387
Knife 5 0 2,760 (276 %) 853
Pay close attention to the price of IFV's and APC's. They are far below the price to build them naturally. This means weapons levels researches are far less important as you can buy a weapon stronger then your research level and cheaper then it cost to build them naturally.


Was this intentional or a byproduct? and will it remain like this or be changed?
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by kingkongfan1 on Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:37 pm

Nomad wrote:Was it intended for you to be able to buy weapons higher then your own weapons research level? I question this for 2 reasons. Let me explain more by showing you what drew my attention to this.

Military Stats
Strike Action: 41,016,398
Defensive Action 58,948,593
Covert Action 23,909,600
Assasin Action 1,635,920
Spy Power: 1520
Assasin Power: 1000
Weapon Level 8 <------------This is heavy mortar level.
Attack Turns: 398
Unit Production: 5,957

Technological Development
Attack Technology: 106%
Defense Technology: 107%
Covert Technology: 111%
Assassin Technology: 104%

Weapons
Name Type Quantity Strength
Main Battle Tank Defense 250 1,100 <---------------3 levels above his research level
IFV Defense 2,256 800 <-----------------------2 levels above his research level
IFV Attack 2,318 800 <-----------------------2 levels above his research level
Heavy Mortar Defense 3,925 380
Heavy Mortar Attack 3,230 380
Grenade Launcher Defense 3,797 250
Grenade Launcher Attack 1,950 250
Machine Gun Defense 2,840 150

What I find more disturbing is looking in the BM weapons list and looked at the prices for them.
Weapon Power Upkeep Cost Amount
Main Battle Tank 1,100 2,310 409,640 (133 %) 139,077
IFV 800 1,242 169,280 (92 %) 409,300
APC 560 672 81,760 (73 %) 193,919
Heavy Mortar 380 299 41,610 (73 %) 112,298
Grenade Launcher 250 113 23,000 (92 %) 26,855
Machine Gun 150 56 13,800 (92 %) 16,002
Sniper Rifle 90 35 8,541 (73 %) 128
Assault Rifle 45 16 8,136 (113 %) 2,336
Submachine Gun 20 5 2,628 (73 %) 602
Automatic Pistol 10 1 3,325 (175 %) 387
Knife 5 0 2,760 (276 %) 853
Pay close attention to the price of IFV's and APC's. They are far below the price to build them naturally. This means weapons levels researches are far less important as you can buy a weapon stronger then your research level and cheaper then it cost to build them naturally.


Was this intentional or a byproduct? and will it remain like this or be changed?

I would definately like the answer before I go & purchase any main battle tanks as I am only weapons lvl 10... king
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:29 pm

I don't really see a problem with it. If they can afford it, why not? This can be used by everyone so why ruin a good thing Razz The prices decrease 2% each day until the weapons are used up and then it moves on to the next in the list in case anyone was wondering.

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by kingkongfan1 on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:33 pm

Kingofshinobis1 wrote:I don't really see a problem with it. If they can afford it, why not? This can be used by everyone so why ruin a good thing Razz The prices decrease 2% each day until the weapons are used up and then it moves on to the next in the list in case anyone was wondering.

you are missing the point; with this as it is set up, what is the point of weapons research tech? why buy higher levels if I can start out with a knife & then buy a main battle tank off the black market. why waste the kuwal on the purchase of the tech levels? that is the question. king
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:56 pm

Well I know what the point is. All I am saying is I'm sure it is was made that way for a reason. Though you all may be right and it might be a bug after all lol. Since admin has not commented on it for a while, I'm sure there is nothing to worry about though Wink As for the weapon upgrades, I can't really make a argument about that Razz

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by QUEST on Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:02 am

I see were you are coming from with a reality spin on it. A person maybe able to use a weapon beyond his tech but I think a penalty or a greater chance of failure should exist with a whole but IDK what can of an effect it would have on the game play
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Nomad on Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:43 am

I also never expected the price to fall below 100% or actually be cheaper then building them yourselves.

If it is intended, thats fine. I just want everyone to be aware as this will greatly help newer players to get a foothold when starting out. I mean if I could have bought Main battle tanks first day it would have made things sooooo much easier.
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Kingofshinobis1 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:01 am

Nomad wrote:I also never expected the price to fall below 100% or actually be cheaper then building them yourselves.

If it is intended, thats fine. I just want everyone to be aware as this will greatly help newer players to get a foothold when starting out. I mean if I could have bought Main battle tanks first day it would have made things sooooo much easier.

I see where your coming from about the under 100% thing but as for the second part, I think that was admins entire point of making it that way. Just my opinion though of course Wink

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Alex on Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:35 am

I do think that buying at less then 100% should be allowed/avaliable.

I DONT think that buying weapons above your level should be allowed! It really makes weapon upgrades useless.
Also I can't buy any lvl 12 weapons (I have lvl 11 tech) so it is unfair that others can buy above theirs. (And yes I know that the reason I can't buy above my level is because there are none avaliable at the moment, but still...)

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Admin on Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:56 am

Ok so:
1) Buying weps above your level is possible and meant to be
2) Weapons going below 100% is also intended, min cost will be 60%
3) All the weapons you see are weapons which someone has sold in the past, I didn't actually create any weapons out of thin air.
4) Takes about 2.5-3 months from a weapon being sold by a player for it to go below 100% cost

Atm all things are going as I expected pretty much

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Nomad on Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:50 am

Admin wrote:Ok so:
1) Buying weps above your level is possible and meant to be
2) Weapons going below 100% is also intended, min cost will be 60%
3) All the weapons you see are weapons which someone has sold in the past, I didn't actually create any weapons out of thin air.
4) Takes about 2.5-3 months from a weapon being sold by a player for it to go below 100% cost

Atm all things are going as I expected pretty much

TY for your time Admin.
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by kingkongfan1 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:41 am

Admin wrote:Ok so:
1) Buying weps above your level is possible and meant to be
2) Weapons going below 100% is also intended, min cost will be 60%
3) All the weapons you see are weapons which someone has sold in the past, I didn't actually create any weapons out of thin air.
4) Takes about 2.5-3 months from a weapon being sold by a player for it to go below 100% cost

Atm all things are going as I expected pretty much

Thank you admin for clearing this up... however I must say that in my opinion this really doesn't make sense, Unless I have totally misunderstood the whole concept of the research weapons technologies... so I will ask here - Exactly what is the point of the research weapons technologies, & why purchase higher levels in said technology? I will go back through the rules/faq's etc. to attempt to find the answer on my own, but would like to hear your explaination... king


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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by Admin on Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:56 am

generally the best weapons will not be available, so if you want to get the tanks then you still need to get that tech level.

plus even though the price does keep decreasing, you can have a guess where the farmers will keep buying the battle tanks from when they drop below 100%.

And well it's still worth getting the better weapon techs. Cos the only way how weapons get onto the black market is by some player actually building and then selling them.

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Post by kingkongfan1 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:55 pm

Admin wrote:generally the best weapons will not be available, so if you want to get the tanks then you still need to get that tech level.

plus even though the price does keep decreasing, you can have a guess where the farmers will keep buying the battle tanks from when they drop below 100%.

And well it's still worth getting the better weapon techs. Cos the only way how weapons get onto the black market is by some player actually building and then selling them.

thank you for this answer--- just so you know, I only have weapon tech lvl 10 which is the IFV, but there are main battle tanks on the black market that I can purchase... king
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Post by Admin on Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:54 pm

kingkongfan1 wrote:thank you for this answer--- just so you know, I only have weapon tech lvl 10 which is the IFV, but there are main battle tanks on the black market that I can purchase... king
but not for a cheap price, and those that will be cheap will not be available for too long, plus the cheap weapons will increase farmer profits

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Post by kingkongfan1 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:52 pm

Admin wrote:
kingkongfan1 wrote:thank you for this answer--- just so you know, I only have weapon tech lvl 10 which is the IFV, but there are main battle tanks on the black market that I can purchase... king
but not for a cheap price, and those that will be cheap will not be available for too long, plus the cheap weapons will increase farmer profits

thank you Admin for taking time to explain this, but at the risk of continuing to beat a dead horse, there is no explaination of what research weapon technologies does other than give you access to more powerful weapons; is there another reason to spend hard earned kuwal on this research? king
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Post by navblue on Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:57 pm

From what I understand that is the only reason to research weapons tech. It allows you to purchase weapons of that tech level without going through the weapons dealers.

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Post by Admin on Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:45 pm

in time everyone will understand

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Post by kingkongfan1 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:11 pm

Admin wrote:in time everyone will understand
nuff said then, thank you Admin... king
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Post by Manleva on Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:50 am

I'm glad that I found this discussion as I had simply assumed that I would be unable to purchase weapons above my research level.

I'm even happier to notice that having purchased some of them I don't pay any upkeep for them
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Post by Alex on Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:51 am

Manleva wrote:I'm glad that I found this discussion as I had simply assumed that I would be unable to purchase weapons above my research level.

I'm even happier to notice that having purchased some of them I don't pay any upkeep for them

It's either a bug or it doesn't update immediately and you havn't waited long enough. I would think the latter is more likely, but if its the former you should post in the bug section about it.

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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by ian on Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:08 pm

For those wondering what the point is in researching weapon levels:

Imagine there is a major server war (which sooner or later there will be), all sides involved are running low on kuwal etc... - so start buying all the lovely cheap weapons on the blackmarket to replace losses.... how long do you think it will be before those weapons run out?

More importantly... if some players involved in that war have previously relied upon the blackmarket to provide them with higher level weapons than their current domestic research levels can provide, and the supply of black-market weapons runs out.... then those players are gonna be in serious trouble Very Happy (unless of course they happen to have "spare" kuwal lieing around to get the relevant weapon levels - which in turn will impact the resources they have available for actual fighting).

The same logic can be applied to if farming increases and farmers suck the Black Market dry Very Happy. Weapon levels are the third most important military asset on this game (after covert levels and techs). I really wouldn't recommend anyone reading this rely upon just the Black Market for your weapons.
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Re: BM Weapon Dealers Question.

Post by ¤ Angel Slayer on Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:19 pm

And anyone spending real money to buy kuwal to up your research levels,
stop wasting your money, buy from the black market like everyone else,
save your money and go buy some icecream or take your girl/guy out.
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Post by SovietMan on Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:24 am

ok i've upgraded my weapons regularly up to lvl 9 but the cost up to 10 is RIDICULOUS COMPARING TO LVL 9! 3941 million? i can't even bank that much... guess i'll have to rely on the black market for MONTHS

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Post by melonhead on Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:31 am

next ones even worse..
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