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Post by seaborgium on Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:47 pm

Whats everyone's UP?
Or Whats the highest UP you have seen

Mine is 20k Very Happy RAWR

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Re: Highest UP

Post by Lord Ishurue on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:13 pm

Raw 8,161
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Alex on Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:13 pm

That is a very high UP, congratulations!!

Mine is only 7,800 RAW.

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Re: Highest UP

Post by seaborgium on Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:08 am

i only know of 1 person close to mine. I know of 3 people whos total is higher.

Sorry i ment to say total lol
As far as I know I am the highest raw.


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Re: Highest UP

Post by Nomad on Thu Dec 17, 2009 12:23 am

3 higher? WOW
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Starryager on Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:55 am

7,000 ~ Well I'm trying to increase my # of Raw. Smile

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Re: Highest UP

Post by EqnX on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:29 pm

Unit Production Raw 14,650 (Total 19,912) per Day

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Re: Highest UP

Post by Alex on Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:23 am

UP is up a little from last time: 9,000RAW but still nowhere near the 20k's floating about.

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Re: Highest UP

Post by Lord Ishurue on Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:09 am

Unit Production Raw 9,030 (Total 19,957) per Day
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Re: Highest UP

Post by kingkongfan1 on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:13 pm

wow! you guys have just left me in the dust, not quite 3000 yet...
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Paladius on Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 pm

Im still under 2000 Unit production.
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Nomad on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:24 am

I think the highest RAW is around 22,500 and highest totals are around 40K or so? maybe more.

Little over 15K personally.
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Paladius on Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:04 am

It's going to take me a while to get my raw Unit production up to 22,500.
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Kenzu on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:50 am

22,500 up?

the last upgrade to reach 22,500 up costs: 35.000.000

assuming 1 uu costs 130k

the last up pays off in 269 days.

1 farmer costs 135k, assuming 50% administrative efficiency (25 income), it pays off in 112.5 days

1 farmer costs 135k, assuming 25% administrative efficiency (25 income), it pays off in 225 days

1 farmer will pay of in the same time as up only if your administrative efficiency is 20.91%, which I doubt


For a big player who has say 4 million population, will have 50% Admin Eff., doesnt make sense to have such a high up.
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Nomad on Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:40 am

Not going to argue the math, because I really don't care, but seems to me your counting 1 UU and its income, what about the other 22,499 you get everyday for those 200+ days? seems like alot of UU and a lot of income could stack up quickly in 200+ days.
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Re: Highest UP

Post by seaborgium on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:33 pm

Nomad he was looking at just the last Unit lol.
well kenuz i will give you an A for effort but the Last 1 UP cost more then 35m its 37.5m. Also in TIE we aren't paying 130k, we are buying/selling at 150k

I am the one with 22.5k UP.
I don't train them I sell them.
So if I am selling at 150k take 2% for the fee, i get 147,058 for it
So that 1 UP takes 255 days to pay off.

So yes it is a bad investment, if you look at it that way.
However, I have a steady stream of income that noone can take. even if i am massed, I would have to be inactive for over 24 hours for anyone to hit me for UU.
If I had bought UU i would be making into farmer, which means If I was to be massed my income would go up due to the AE dropping.

If ya really want to know the full cost it was
434,353,744,000
so if at the 147,058
that would take 61,533 days.
How does that look to ya LOL

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Re: Highest UP

Post by kingkongfan1 on Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:32 pm

I only know what mine is:- 2800uu per day... lol!
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Paladius on Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:09 am

Im up to 2110uu per day now
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Re: Highest UP

Post by Lord Ishurue on Mon Mar 01, 2010 10:42 pm

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Re: Highest UP

Post by r1maru on Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:41 pm

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Re: Highest UP

Post by seaborgium on Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:36 pm

that depends on a few factors but each person must make there own choices.

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Re: Highest UP

Post by seaborgium on Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:36 am

I figured I would update this since I started it lol

I now have a UP of 27k.

Kenzu - we talked a short bit on msn about this.
You said it would be better to buy UU then to get to that.
I spent
Your current UP is: 23,250
Your target UP is: 27,000
It will cost you 170,161,875,000 kuwal to increase your UP by 3750.

Roughly 170b on it
I will post a simple math problem, I am keeping it simple as to not getting to a LONG debate about my numbers.
A few things up front...
Administrative Efficiency 46.75 %
Price for UU 180k
I know you will say that you don't have to pay that much and blah blah, currently in Tie our rate is a bit different, so I used a number that I got while talking to others, i prefure to buy in house to help others get better

With my 170b I could have bought 945,343 UU
that 945,353 UU trained as farmers would get me 47,267,150 a turn raw income, now with my AE put in that becomes 22,097,393.
That means for that 945,343 UU to get me back my investment of 170b would take around 160.5 days.

Now lets look at my UP
With my 27k UP I could sell for 4,860,000,000 a day. For me to get back my 170b investment would take me around 35 days.

Now as I said the above is a simple break down. I didn't take into consideration of what my income would be on days where my AE is up or down or even each day I buy more UU. But I am sure that no matter I wouldn't beable to get it to as low as the 35 days.

Also, where are these UU coming from? The market is rather dry. .
This is people looking for UU at cheaper rates.........

Code:
You receive   You pay   Rate
12,345,178,241 Kuwal    85,067 Untrained    [1:145,123]
7,352,947,041 Kuwal    50,667 Untrained    [1:145,123]
11,599,855,000 Kuwal    79,999 Untrained    [1:145,000]
9,582,615,000 Kuwal    66,087 Untrained    [1:145,000]

Thats a total of 281,820 that people are looking to buy.... notice how people ignore them when they can put there UU up for sale at these kinda prices

Code:
You receive   You pay   Rate
9,400 Untrained    1,635,600,000 Kuwal    [1:174,000]
2,500 Untrained    437,500,000 Kuwal    [1:175,000]
7,821 Untrained    1,368,675,000 Kuwal    [1:175,000]
10,000 Untrained    1,780,000,000 Kuwal    [1:178,000]

People selling there own UU at there price are looking at a 20% better return then to sell to the cheap bastards. I wish more people would look into the UP then always buying UU. I can right now that the UU market is going to get kinda flooded due to Tie again changing there internal price..

If anyone can show me where I messed up on my math I will glady say I am wrong and reconsider my account building. I will say that I am currently working to get my UP MUCH higher.

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Re: Highest UP

Post by Lord Ishurue on Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:52 pm

seaborgium wrote:I figured I would update this since I started it lol

I now have a UP of 27k.

Kenzu - we talked a short bit on msn about this.
You said it would be better to buy UU then to get to that.
I spent
Your current UP is: 23,250
Your target UP is: 27,000
It will cost you 170,161,875,000 kuwal to increase your UP by 3750.

Roughly 170b on it
I will post a simple math problem, I am keeping it simple as to not getting to a LONG debate about my numbers.
A few things up front...
Administrative Efficiency 46.75 %
Price for UU 180k
I know you will say that you don't have to pay that much and blah blah, currently in Tie our rate is a bit different, so I used a number that I got while talking to others, i prefure to buy in house to help others get better

With my 170b I could have bought 945,343 UU
that 945,353 UU trained as farmers would get me 47,267,150 a turn raw income, now with my AE put in that becomes 22,097,393.
That means for that 945,343 UU to get me back my investment of 170b would take around 160.5 days.

Now lets look at my UP
With my 27k UP I could sell for 4,860,000,000 a day. For me to get back my 170b investment would take me around 35 days.

Now as I said the above is a simple break down. I didn't take into consideration of what my income would be on days where my AE is up or down or even each day I buy more UU. But I am sure that no matter I wouldn't beable to get it to as low as the 35 days.

Also, where are these UU coming from? The market is rather dry. .
This is people looking for UU at cheaper rates.........

Code:
You receive   You pay   Rate
12,345,178,241 Kuwal    85,067 Untrained    [1:145,123]
7,352,947,041 Kuwal    50,667 Untrained    [1:145,123]
11,599,855,000 Kuwal    79,999 Untrained    [1:145,000]
9,582,615,000 Kuwal    66,087 Untrained    [1:145,000]

Thats a total of 281,820 that people are looking to buy.... notice how people ignore them when they can put there UU up for sale at these kinda prices

Code:
You receive   You pay   Rate
9,400 Untrained    1,635,600,000 Kuwal    [1:174,000]
2,500 Untrained    437,500,000 Kuwal    [1:175,000]
7,821 Untrained    1,368,675,000 Kuwal    [1:175,000]
10,000 Untrained    1,780,000,000 Kuwal    [1:178,000]

People selling there own UU at there price are looking at a 20% better return then to sell to the cheap bastards. I wish more people would look into the UP then always buying UU. I can right now that the UU market is going to get kinda flooded due to Tie again changing there internal price..

If anyone can show me where I messed up on my math I will glady say I am wrong and reconsider my account building. I will say that I am currently working to get my UP MUCH higher.

U calculated your 27k instead of the 3,750 increase .

will use UU rate 180k . So 1 farmer costs 185k

170b/185k = 918,918 farmers it can buy . in month your AE will be a little lower . so will say your AE will be ~ 43% .

918,918 X ( 50 x .43 ) = 19,756,756 turn income X 48 = 948,324,324 daily income increase .

Now take into account you will need a bigger defense to protect your income , more spies to protect your weapons , more assassins to protect your spies , A slightly bigger strike to fight back in case a Farmer won't stop or someone tries to Sab & Farm you .


Raw
3,750 X 180k = 675,000,000 daily income from raw increase .

lets say your CO gives u 150k .
(3,750/5 ) X 150k = 112,500,000 income increase from CO

675mil + 112.5mil = 787.5mil income increase from your Raw .

Even though the numbers slightly lean towards Farmers , with Your style of play ( about Raw can't be stolen but income can ) the Raw investment was better .
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Re: Highest UP

Post by seaborgium on Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:48 am

Well I did it, I got it to 30k Very Happy

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Re: Highest UP

Post by Jiro on Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:26 am

I am at 14.9k and going up. UU price being what it is convinced me. Also UU price cut both ways: it makes investing in Kuwal production more expensive and ROI on UP higher.

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