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Post by ioz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:33 pm

As the topic says, I'm here to put on the table a discussion about Changing the personal bonus and changing one's race.

I. Changing the personal bonus:
"Change Personal Bonus (0 Changes Remain)"
This is my problem atm. This is the way I bought the account: with no changes remaining and a chaotic arrangement of the bonus points.

What I suggest is that these changes regenerate after X time or that there is a way to BUY changes or something similar. I hate it every time I am doomed to look at that Change personal bonus page and see the 0 changes remaining. I want to hear more opinions on this but what I do think is that it's a little extreme not being able to change these points at ALL once the X changes have been made (not even sure how many changes you get).

admin edit: added you can change bonus slowly for free, or get reset

II. Changing race:
Isn't it a little bit steep as costs? I understand it shouldn't be something done everyday, not even once every two days but still, the sum is pretty huge. I figured it represents a percentage of your economy/account size but the percentage is too big imo. I simply can't afford it and I don't know if anyone affords it without severely crippling their economy. Maybe a reduced cost would be better?
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Re: Change Personal Bonus & Change race

Post by Admin on Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:55 pm

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Personal bonus:
Every account gets one free change upon registration, so that once you learn what you really need you can still correct your "mistake" without having to spend money.

Changing race: It's not a percentage of your economy but actually the amount you saved by being your current race to buy your current research advancements. That times 10.

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Post by Nomad on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:03 pm

You can also buy a bonus change for like 7.50$. You can trade resources to someone else for the $$ if you don't have it.


As for the race change, like Admin said, its what you saved being the race you are. It stops people from race changing to get cheaper upgrades.


I dont know why everyone just didnt pick the most awsome race to begin with.

Hualu rocks!!!!!
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Post by ioz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:17 pm

@Nomad: being able to change my bonus should not be something (imo) that would require a 7.5$ purchase unless I want to do it more often than strictly necessary. Once in a lifetime except for purchases seems a little bit extreme to me, thus the topic.

Also, regarding the race change, I never said it should be cheap, just suggesting it be a tad cheaper. 14,367,647,122 kuwal for me is a huge amount. I don't think encouraging people to change their race whenever they feel like is something that should be done but neither should it be something noone does. Unless it's affordable it's worthless. The bigger you get the more expensive it gets and you will never be able to do it unless you hurt your economy severely for some time ( it would take me 8 days of saving resources and that very, very much)

@Admin: thanks for the info, any opinions regarding this issue?
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:35 pm

funny, race change would cost me 3 days worth of income, if i ignore the value of my UU's i make each day.
UP included, i'd have enough to change race every 2 days.

So ... no, I think the race change cost is allright.

About the personal bonus change, Personally I'd be completely ok with removing the option to purchase one altogether. So you get one freebie after you register and that's the end of the story.

The personal bonus is simply too much of an advantage someone can gain if they get the chance of changing it over and over again.

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Re: Change Personal Bonus & Change race

Post by ioz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:58 pm

Apparently we have different definitions of "reasonable" when it comes to this topic. I can't seem to find the place I mentioned I should be able to do it over and over again to be honest.

My income /day is at 1.9 bil on normal work conditions. Out of purely income it would take 7.5 days of not spending anything at all and not getting farmed at all to get the 14,360,000,000 required.

If I add to that the UP I have I get, let's say, 2.8 bil/day and that would be a total of 5.1 days to get the 14.360.000.000 required assuming noone farms me.

I don't think I have a very abnormal account that would motivate the difference between what you have and what I have considering you say you've got to wait less than twice the time I have to wait for.

Regarding the personal bonus change, you, personally, don't play. You own this game and it may be hard to have a player's view on your own game. I'm not saying that my view is the one to listen to but it is an opinion that, I reckon, is reasonable and others may share this view. I repeat, I never mentioned I should be able to do it over and over again, just that I don't believe, personally, that once in a account lifetime is reasonable. Options may include twice/account lifetime, once every 6 months, etc, not a "change as often as you wish" buffet.
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:50 pm

ioz wrote:I repeat, I never mentioned I should be able to do it over and over again
It was the inevitable evolutionary conclusion of allowing it to change any more often than it is now. So I took your thought and advanced it

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Post by Nomad on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:15 pm

ioz wrote:@Nomad: being able to change my bonus should not be something (imo) that would require a 7.5$ purchase unless I want to do it more often than strictly necessary. Once in a lifetime except for purchases seems a little bit extreme to me, thus the topic.

Also, regarding the race change, I never said it should be cheap, just suggesting it be a tad cheaper. 14,367,647,122 kuwal for me is a huge amount. I don't think encouraging people to change their race whenever they feel like is something that should be done but neither should it be something noone does. Unless it's affordable it's worthless. The bigger you get the more expensive it gets and you will never be able to do it unless you hurt your economy severely for some time ( it would take me 8 days of saving resources and that very, very much)

@Admin: thanks for the info, any opinions regarding this issue?
Well I do agree with you, but lets be honest. The account came with a freebee, then buying an SS would give it another. Now for what ever reason you are at 0, thats by your own hand, weather you did it yourself, or you got the account in that condition. Either way its something you accepted. I personally think as the game progresses that bonuses will change over time as peoples play styles change. I think thats a good thing and the way it should be.

As for the cost of race change, you should find the old topic before the cost was revisited the last time, it was WAY more expensive LOL

Admin wrote:funny, race change would cost me 3 days worth of income, if i ignore the value of my UU's i make each day.
UP included, i'd have enough to change race every 2 days.

So ... no, I think the race change cost is allright.

About the personal bonus change, Personally I'd be completely ok with removing the option to purchase one altogether. So you get one freebie after you register and that's the end of the story.

The personal bonus is simply too much of an advantage someone can gain if they get the chance of changing it over and over again.

I hope you do not do this, and I too feel it is entirely to harsh. As explained above, people tend to play with different styles at different points of time in the game. Example would be in the beginning versus an long term or well established account. To start off your going to go all strike for farming, or all defense to help protect yourself until you can get a footing, then later as you learn the game and become use to the way it works you may shift gear to other areas such as covert, ecspecially since it give the stronest boost and effects more then 1 stat.

I think bonus changes should be allowed like 1 ever 6 months to a year for free, or purchased.

What I would like to see even better was what I suggested in one of your topics where you can change the points slowly over time. Like 1 point per day/week or what ever. It stopps people from going all strike to mass, then going all defense to stop retrobution, but does allow for some modification to one stratagy/game style.
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:45 pm

yeh i agree, slow shift will maybe work better but when I code it i'll have to recode how the current system is Razz

cos you know, it can't work if you have one system where you get a few points you can reassign every month and a second system right next to it where you buy a complete reassign of all points.
I need to redo that other system so that instead of a complete reassign you rather get 30-35 (or however many points you have) points that you can reassign, plus some other issues to consider

well dunno if i explained it right, anyways point being that using nomads system it would require a bit of recoding on the current one Very Happy
but thanks for reminding me, it certainly is a useful suggestion towards this issue.

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Re: Change Personal Bonus & Change race

Post by Nomad on Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:50 pm

Admin wrote:yeh i agree, slow shift will maybe work better but when I code it i'll have to recode how the current system is Razz

cos you know, it can't work if you have one system where you get a few points you can reassign every month and a second system right next to it where you buy a complete reassign of all points.
I need to redo that other system so that instead of a complete reassign you rather get 30-35 (or however many points you have) points that you can reassign, plus some other issues to consider

well dunno if i explained it right, anyways point being that using nomads system it would require a bit of recoding on the current one Very Happy
but thanks for reminding me, it certainly is a useful suggestion towards this issue.

Your very welcome

would love to see some more discussion from the original thread about ways to get more personal bonus points too.

I know what you are saying about the problem with 2 seperate systems, and there is no easy way to do it, maybe you could make it so the $$ donation doubles or triples the rate you can reassign points for a set amount of time/days/weeks? That way purchased accounts can be reoutfitted to meet the new owners specifications a bit faster then normal, and you wont lose that form of revanue.
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Post by ioz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:26 pm

That sounds like a very good idea. I'd be fine with having to wait for a month for all my points to change as opposed to not being able to change them at all. It also constitutes an idea that proves you wrong regarding your "any more often than it is now = over and over again" so that makes me even happier. Razz

@regarding the race change: the argument that it was even more expensive before doesn't actually constitute an argument.
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Post by Nomad on Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:40 pm

ioz wrote:
@regarding the race change: the argument that it was even more expensive before doesn't actually constitute an argument.

Well its not an arguement, it was more just a piece of info passed along so you knew the subject has been discussed and changes made before. The price is set by the amount of resources you saved by being the race you are presently. The more you have saved over time, the more it cost you to change. I think it is high myself, but I also recognise that this game has no limit on the amount of times or the frequency that you can do so. I feel it is a balancing feature so I do not contest it.

Lucky for me I can spot the best races from past experiance Cool

Why anyone would be anything other then Hualu is just beyond me king
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Post by ioz on Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:00 pm

I agree with you regarding Hualu but it's kinda expensive to switch, thus my dilemma Razz Buying accounts is sometimes a bitch.

Oh well, I'll just have to work around the race change.
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Post by Admin on Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:02 am

because nomad it's perfectly possible to play without using the bank Smile at least to some degree
but hey, no one said the balance on all races is done Wink

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Post by Alex on Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:39 am

For me with just personal income it would take 10 ad a half days to be able to change race...

I think a system like the one free change every X months or even just one free change given at the start like the personal bounus would be good.

And as for not being Hualu, let's just say I didn't thin it through properly when I chose... lol

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Post by Lord Ishurue on Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:41 am

Alex wrote:For me with just personal income it would take 10 ad a half days to be able to change race...

I think a system like the one free change every X months or even just one free change given at the start like the personal bounus would be good.

And as for not being Hualu, let's just say I didn't thin it through properly when I chose... lol

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I looked and noticed your a kyora . if i didnt pick huala i would have pick Kyora .
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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:27 am

and why would you need to change your race every x months?

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Post by Kenzu on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:44 pm

Make it possible for players to redistribute 5 bonus points once per month.
At no cost.

Since most players have 30 to 35 points to redistribute, it will take them half a year to completely change their bonus points, or they simply buy a bonus points change if they need it immediately.
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Post by Alex on Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:36 am

Admin wrote:and why would you need to change your race every x months?

I just read that earlier on in the topic (I think...)

I am personally for one free change at the very start for new people who pick a race they later decide they made a mistake with. Or a 1:1 ratio of kuwal saved instead of (If I read it correctly before) a 1:10 ratio (10x amount saved.) as it is currently. That 1:1 ratio change would also be a one off by the way, to give new players a chance to re-decide thier race after some experience with the game.

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Post by Nomad on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:37 am

Alex wrote:
Admin wrote:and why would you need to change your race every x months?

I just read that earlier on in the topic (I think...)

I am personally for one free change at the very start for new people who pick a race they later decide they made a mistake with. Or a 1:1 ratio of kuwal saved instead of (If I read it correctly before) a 1:10 ratio (10x amount saved.) as it is currently. That 1:1 ratio change would also be a one off by the way, to give new players a chance to re-decide thier race after some experience with the game.

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There is one free is there not? There use to be? Wasnt there?

And 1 to 1 is not a good idea, it makes it so there is absolutely NO cost to race changes and with no limit you can change daily and thats not needed nor wanted.
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Post by Alex on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:40 am

Nomad wrote:There is one free is there not? There use to be? Wasnt there?

And 1 to 1 is not a good idea, it makes it so there is absolutely NO cost to race changes and with no limit you can change daily and thats not needed nor wanted.

As far as I know there is not any free for RACE CHANGE. There is one free for personal bonus points.

And the 1:1 is so that there is no cost on a once off option as a 'free' change for new players who made an ill-informed decision on race before they had experience with the game.

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Post by Nomad on Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:53 am

Alex wrote:
Nomad wrote:There is one free is there not? There use to be? Wasnt there?

And 1 to 1 is not a good idea, it makes it so there is absolutely NO cost to race changes and with no limit you can change daily and thats not needed nor wanted.

As far as I know there is not any free for RACE CHANGE. There is one free for personal bonus points.

And the 1:1 is so that there is no cost on a once off option as a 'free' change for new players who made an ill-informed decision on race before they had experience with the game.

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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:34 am

it should be noted that unless you've been playing for a considerable amount of time, the actual race change cost in terms of kuwal will be relatively small compared to some other factors, amongst others to:

- value of 5-10k uu's you can sell for kuwal, either to others or on the market
- amount of kuwal you can farm with a few hundred at's

The time until the cost becomes significant is imo big enough for a player to grasp the concepts of the game and be able to make a rational and educated decision as to what race they really wish to be

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Post by Kenzu on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:19 am

Make it possible for players to change race once per year they play.
(if they change race, they can change it again in 365 days)
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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:29 am

Kenzu wrote:Make it possible for players to change race once per year they play.
(if they change race, they can change it again in 365 days)
that idea is plain ridiculous from a coding perspective

half a page of code for absolultely ZERO benefit.
not to mention the extra database row that will hardly ever get used except get in the way with every sql query when the table is searched

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