Discussion about surrender

He quoted EXACTLY what you said and shared how he interpreted it. How is he lying?

Kenzu wrote:He probably assumed that I will not allow updates because of the following sentence:

"I think they hope for an update that will make it possible to check
(not gonna happen during this war)"

If he misunderstands things, he could have asked. If you look at updates, it always takes weeks to implement them, since I assume that wars last shorter than the process of deciding, approving, coding and releasing updates, I assume this update (where you can check trades) will not come.

But even though I think this update will not come, it doesnt mean that I dont think other updates will come and it definitely doesn't mean that I don't allow any updates.

In other words, SA47 is trying to put words in my mouth. Funny, when we see that it's what he didnt want me to do, but he does it himself

Well your back peddling is getting a little bit better, not much but a little bit. I hope your military strategy and diplomacy follow suit. I'll let everyone else read it for themselves and make their own call on it. Seems I took it EXACTLY like everyone else did. Not to mention your "Theory" is a bit off, since admin has been talking about that particular update for what? Months?

Since you seem to be handicapped due to a comprehension problem let me clearly explain it to you. I didn't ASSUME and damn thing. I have a great deal of faith in Admin, tho I have none in you. You make it public knowledge you are a game admin and Uro confirmed it, but also confirmed your limitations. Now take a moment and read what YOU yourself wrote, You KENZU, YOU wrote it. And read it as a forum user, and read it at face value, Read it as a user reading what a Admin has written.[/color]

Kenzu wrote:
"I think they hope for an update that will make it possible to check
(not gonna happen during this war)"

You clearly say "I THINK" THEY HOPE for, and as I proved you couldn't be further from the truth. You then try to say I speak for my alliance, or ANYONE other then myself. Try opening your eyes and read what I myself wrote.

Special Agent 47 wrote: I am personally 100% against ways to spy trade logs. ADMIN is the one promoting the idea, not us.

I said I am Personally 100% against ways to spy trade logs. Now explain to me WHERE you can even attempt to twist that to say I speak for my alliance or anyone other then myself?

Admin wrote:

Special Agent 47 wrote:It is complete and total BS. I am personally 100% against ways to spy trade logs. ADMIN is the one promoting the idea, not us.

Well, there's more urgent updates before that one is done. Plus a lot of unsolved questions before I can even start working on it.
This was solely to point out to Kenzu, that even tho he is too blind to see it, that this idea was Your idea Uro, not ours, and that I PERSONALLY do not agree with it. It was nothing more then a clear rebuttle to Kenzu's bold faced lie claiming that we as his opponents were requesting an update from you that would give us an unfair advantage in our war. We don't need it, and as an alliance we don't want it for this war. Individually many of us may want it, I don't know and don't care. When the time comes I trust you to make the right decision and a fair call. I trust you to do what right for the game no matter my opinion for I am one.

Special Agent 47 wrote:And glad to know ingame wars can effect updates being released. Shows poor conduct on the behalf of the admins as far as I am concerned.

Care to elaborate on that? Because I feel to be part of that statement.
Although I'm probably just misunderstanding something
I should have used the {/sarcasm} font when I posted this. That is my mistake, and unlike Kenzu I'll admit it may have come across wrong due to how I wrote it. Again, this was a sarcastic stab at Kenzu's remark

Kenzu wrote:
"I think they hope for an update that will make it possible to check
[b](not gonna happen during this war)"
[/b]

Meaning IF, and notice I said IF, what Kenzu wrote was true, and NO updates were allowed during a war then my point had merit. I do not belive this is the case because as SGW has taught us, wars can last for months, even years. If no updates are allowed to be put in place during times of war then when the game becomes as active and popular as SGW then it will also die because NO updates can come in while a war rages. I also want to point out another interesting point to Kenzu's post. He uses the words "This War". This indicates the "no updates allowed" line of thinking is strictly for the TIE/WR war. This is where my sarcastic remark about poor conduct on behalf of the admins come in. If Kenzu as an admin can say weather or not an update can be released during a war he is part of, that is what I would call poor conduct. None of this is aimed at you Uro, unless by chance you would allow such as this to happen. I seriously doubt that is the case. I hope that explains the post well enough to you.

Short explanation is, I called Kenzu out on two things. One was the fact we wanted the update to give us an unfair advantage. Two was that he could decide when updates happen. Both I believe to be bold faced lies.

I think Universe got my point exactly and expresses it well in this post.

Universe wrote:

Admin wrote:

Special Agent 47 wrote:And glad to know ingame wars can effect updates being released. Shows poor conduct on the behalf of the admins as far as I am concerned.

Care to elaborate on that? Because I feel to be part of that statement.
Although I'm probably just misunderstanding something

I think our resident Agent was referring to this:

Kenzu wrote:I think they hope for an update that will make it possible to check
(not gonna happen during this war)

Kenzu implies a direct relation between the fact that there is a war going on, and whether or not updates will be released. In other words, a conditional: War? Yes = No update.
To which SA's response is reasonable, i.e. that it would be strange if ingame wars would affect or stall the release of updates.

Kenzu wrote:
I have merely stated my view. Just because I said that I think you guys would want such an updated doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Do you want to say that your alliance is against the update? I don't think you have talked to everyone to be in a position to talk for all alliance members.
Already addressed this point, you just seem to have difficulty in reading and comprehension. I said "I PERSONALLY". I don't know how to write it in a form you can understand.


I would like to know how a war has affected updates. Please tell me a few examples. Admin is doing a great job and he working much more than you think.
Your damn right he is doing a great job, no one has said he hasn't. As for doing "more then I think" I really doubt that. I think he invest a hell of a lot of time and energy here. Thats the main reason I invest my time and energy here, and help support this game regularly. So don't pretend to know what "I" think about anyone.

Why should the game die because of a war?
Read what Universe wrote, maybe if it comes from someone outside the war you will bother to pay attention and actually read what was wrote. She Explains it very well.

You make it sounds like I am against all updates, when in fact I am suggesting a lot of updates myself and support many updates as well. I have never said that no updates will be allowed.
NO I DO NOT make it sound like you are against all updates. Do I follow you around reading your posts on the updates page? Hell NO. Yes you suggest alot of updates. Many I myself support, and many I don't. NOW FOR THE LAST TIME, I never said that you said updates will not be allowed, I quoted what you said and rebutted it.

Kenzu wrote:[b]
"I think they hope for an update that will make it possible to check
(not gonna happen during this war)"

Twist it however you want Kenzu, but its a fact, you wrote this. You can't deny it.

Stop lying![/b]
Not even going to acknowledge that with a reply

And to wrap it up

Kenzu wrote:
In other words, SA47 is trying to put words in my mouth. Funny, when we see that it's what he didnt want me to do, but he does it himself

you don't understand the concept of quotes very well do you? I haven't had to make assumptions, or stretches, and so far others agree with me. Those both inside and outside the war. You on the other hand, can not back a single way you have tried to twist this to your favor.

This has become increasingly amusing. I just hope you don't believe what you wrote. With your narrow views and stubbornness I expect this war to last a rather long time. You don't seem to know when to quit.

Good luck to you and WR. Your going to need it.

Insults are used by those who have a failed reasoning.

PS: You are taking assumptions too seriously, and shouldn't become so agressive over things you misunderstand. Especially when you realise that you have misinterpreted what I have said.

Kenzu wrote:Insults are used by those who have a failed reasoning.

PS: You are taking assumptions too seriously, and shouldn't become so agressive over things you misunderstand. Especially when you realise that you have misinterpreted what I have said.

There is no fail in my reasoning, and seems there are far more who agree with me, then with you. The only misunderstanding was with Admin, you know, the REAL Admin. I hope that is cleared up now. Only person having issues with realizing things is you Kenzu.

For once just walk away, and stop trying to make things worse.

Kenzu you said (not going to happen during this war) you did not say that it may not happen during this war. Another incident where Kenzu states something then tries to dig himself out of a hole by saying pointless things rather then admitting he made a mistake and is sorry that he wasn't more clear

Here is a funny demotivator I found about arguing on the internet:

wow Kenzu, from the person that argues the most ... that's special.

Admin, please could you remove kenzu's image and warn Kenzu for posting inappropriate material- there is likely some users on this forum/ Aderan Wars who suffer from various disabilities - and i have no doubt they ll take being called/ implied r#t##ds as being offensive.... which it is given the nature of that post.

@ Kenzu - personally i think your entire argument on this thread, and your arguments on most other threads can be summed up pretty accurately:



http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd103/ianjones1246/Deathchildssig.jpg

Thank you.

That picture is halarious, and I have to admit, I am sitting here wondering, "How did he do that?"

Sandwalker wrote:wow Kenzu, from the person that argues the most ... that's special.

lol and the truth comes out

I actually made the effort to log into the forum just so I could type

"lol!"

at some of these posts, haha!