Is this true?

Survivor wrote:I think I know the reason why WR has too many players. Well, I just happened to recruit two of my friends to the game. I was with them when they signed up so that I could help them get started. Now, what did I see in BOTH of their inbox. A message from Keinutnai ( If I remember correctly some quick start guides ) . Maybe it's auto generated and sent to all new players coz even if your online and on the hunt for new players you wouldn't be able to send a messege the moment they sign up . Now, whom do you think those new players will contact for any questions?... right its him and then they get drawn into WR.

So well, that's solely what I think. Maybe admin could change it so that the message is sent from his account.

Other than that: WR, choose wisely as your future depends on your decision

Does Kenzu have the means to message every new player with his name?

and if its so, why? should it not come from admin himself?

well since I'm the one who said this I'd like to ask the same questions Nomad asked?
Actually, I'm glad this caught someones attention

I have known they were brothers from the start. I don't have a problem with it as I trust admin doesnt show him favor. Infact they often disagree.

BUT

If its true I don't think that it should be. I'm all for sending the messages that help explain things, but they should come from admins account.

Now if Kenzu is doing it manually, then there is nothing wrong with it, but if he has a script to send them automaticly then I do have an issue with it.

Nomad wrote:Now if Kenzu is doing it manually, then there is nothing wrong with it, but if he has a script to send them automaticly then I do have an issue with it.

There is a message created by default for every new account created.
He doesn't have a script, it's embedded in the code

-The most important in this game is to have high income (by TRAINING farmers, workers and miners)
-and to have high unit production, which increases your population (by making RESEARCH on unit production)

-You should always try to spend your kuwal on these things and also on TRAINING defense soldiers to protect your income. Also train spies and assassins, who will protect you from other players by other means. You can use armed attack soldiers to attack others for kuwal or stealing their untrained units. Never forget to buy enough weapons in the ARMORY for all of your attack soldiers and defense soldiers. (attack soldiers use attack weapons, defense soldiers use defense weapons). Repair your weapons after each attack in your armory. Always BANK the kuwal you have left.
-If you need more advice read the help page below, or simply post on the forum (link at the top left corner of the page) in the faq section.
http://www.aderanwars.com/helpmain.php
PS: You can get a lot of advice if you will simply point with your mouse at a word/phrase you dont understand (For example STRIKE ACTION). Small text will appear and explain how it works.

1) as you see it's just a list of hints, nothing to actually "recruit" them into his or anyone else's alliance.


2) Initially it used to be that it came from "admin", but I was given a good reason why it should be "sent" from kenzu's account.
I login into the admin account maybe once a month (so also any pm's you send to that account are almost certain to be not read anytime soon), so if that new account would come up with the great idea of replying to that pm asking for more questions they would almost likely never get a reply.
If, on the other hand, the reply is sent to Kenzu then he will actually answer most or all questions making it more likely that new players stick around for a bit longer than they normally would if there would be no one to direct questions to.

Now despite there possibly being issues about Kenzu being the sole person that these pm's are "coming" from, I'm strongly in favor of keeping this (believe it or not, he does actually have useful suggestions every now and then and most of them you wont even see a thread about), so the "best" thing I'll agree to is that whoever wants to apply for this can tell me and the "originators" of these pm's will rotate.


BTW

Nomad wrote:Infact they often disagree.

I never disagree with people. only with their ideas

Admin wrote:the "best" thing I'll agree to is that whoever wants to apply for this can tell me and the "originators" of these pm's will rotate.

I'd like to do that. Wouldn't mind helping newbies out.

I think its a good idea having it come from an active account, but it seems slightly biased for it to come from an alliance leader. new members will be more inclined to join WR because of these messages.

my suggestion would be still for it to come from kenzu, or whoever wants to do it, but within the message it say it has been created automatically and not actually sent by kenzu, but feel free to reply to him.

I never meant you and him disagree, just that you do not blindly listen to him and put him under the same scutiny as everyone else.

I will also volenteer for a turn in the rotation, and dont mind it staying as it is with the above mentioned reference

my suggestion would be still for it to come from kenzu, or whoever wants to do it, but within the message it say it has been created automatically and not actually sent by kenzu, but feel free to reply to him.

Now despite there possibly being issues about Kenzu being the sole person that these pm's are "coming" from, I'm strongly in favor of keeping this (believe it or not, he does actually have useful suggestions every now and then and most of them you wont even see a thread about), so the "best" thing I'll agree to is that whoever wants to apply for this can tell me and the "originators" of these pm's will rotate.

I never said Kenzu didnt have good ideas from time to time, I actually agree with one of his suggestions in the suggestion section right now, But even you can not denie the advantage this gives Kenzu in recruiting.

Well in my personal opinion this is an enormous advantage to WR as they always establish fist contact with any new active players. I think the effects of this are clear right now with the majority of later arrivals on dune being in WR.

I suggest the message comes from Admin but that on the message at the end there is a statement along the lines of -

"If you have any questions feel free to send a message to any one of the following people ( names of people who volunteer )"

I presume by simple statistical probabilities the spread of inquires will be even across all people and so there wont be any advantages to anyone

Hai-Shulud wrote:
"If you have any questions feel free to send a message to any one of the following people ( names of people who volunteer )"

I presume by simple statistical probabilities the spread of inquires will be even across all people and so there wont be any advantages to anyone

problem with that is human laziness, whatever name is first on the list will get more replies. unless you make 4 or 5 random messages with the names mixed, your not gaining any ground.

Nomad wrote:problem with that is human laziness, whatever name is first on the list will get more replies. unless you make 4 or 5 random messages with the names mixed, your not gaining any ground.

No you guys are thinking way too primitively

Let's pretend we have a list of 6 people. Then when someone registers, the first ID will send him that pm, when the next person registers then the second ID will send the pm, etc.
Seriously that's what I'd do anyway

edit:
http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/general-discussion-f1/who-wants-to-be-put-on-the-list-t836.htm#6919

^ this ^

actually at the time when it got embedded to the code, WR had already like 90 members.

You can raise the growth of active members by inviting new ones as soon as they register and teaching them the game.

No one is disputing that Kenzu, but having a code inbedded in the game which points every new account to you is not right, no matter how you try to spin it.


Now as I have said before and will say again, what you do is a great thing and I'm glad your willing to do it and have time to do it.