Weapons Ware house and UU raid Shelter

The annoying thing about buying excess weapons is that the cost of a damage point increases when the weapon isn't being used .

1. I ask to add a weapons ware house into the game .

a. each ware house reduces your income by X amount ( Employee fee )
b. Building warehouses become an option on construction yard level 1 .
c. each ware house can store x amount of weapons

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UU shelter Raid Shelter

a. You build shelters at constuction yard level 1 .
b. UUS in the shelter do not produce any income
c. shelters reduce your income by x amount ( maiteance fee )

and what will the shelters do?

I would assume from that that they stop the UU stored there from being raided by other players.

-Alex

Kenzu wrote:and what will the shelters do?

Protect UUs from Raids .

I think the shelters is a bad idea,
log in and train them if you don't want to be raided,
this is a war game not a stat building UU saving game,
might as well take away raiding then,
everyone will just be storing their UU's.
hey you think we can have a weapons closet so no one saab's our weapons,
yeah that idea sounds that lame lol

Yeah I dont like the idea either.

You can train as farmers if you dont want them to be raided. There is a cost involved with this but that is the price you pay. (And some if not all the cost could be refunded through income if they are there long enough.)

-Alex

¤ Angel Slayer wrote:I think the shelters is a bad idea,
log in and train them if you don't want to be raided,
this is a war game not a stat building UU saving game,
might as well take away raiding then,
everyone will just be storing their UU's.
hey you think we can have a weapons closet so no one saab's our weapons,
yeah that idea sounds that lame lol

In real life does the army send all their weapon inventory into battle or do they store them in other places.

Most likely .

in real life do they have shelters for civilians . yes

Yeah but this is a game not real life...

If there was ways to make everything safe then the game would lose all its fun. You need some risk in a game.

-Alex

Alex wrote:Yeah but this is a game not real life...

If there was ways to make everything safe then the game would lose all its fun. You need some risk in a game.

-Alex

not entirely safe . Warehouses can be destroyed . i think it would add more strategy to the game in the role of destroying enemy supplies rather than just sabotaging enemy weapons they have on hand .

on a regular sabotage mission you destroy 3-5 % of enemy weapons. if you chose to sneak into enemy warehouse you can destroy on a successful mission 1 -2.5 % of enemy stored weapons .

i am positive i played some video games were some missions you sneak into enemy base and plant bombs in enemy ware houses , thats were part of the idea came from .

Majhoka wrote:not entirely safe . Warehouses can be destroyed

I didn't realise that they would be destroyable. To me it seems like it just adds another layer of unessassary complexity and extra costs to the game.

The fact they can be destroyed seems to nullify it a little.

Costs kuwal to buy them which is cancelled by them not being destroyed as fast (saving kuwal in attacks).

Would there be more casualties when trying to attack warehouses?

Majhoka wrote:i am positive i played some video games were some missions you sneak into enemy base and plant bombs in enemy ware houses , thats were part of the idea came from .

I can see where your coming from I just don't agree it would add much to the game.

-Alex

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Majhoka wrote:as it is sometimes difficult for me to write out exactly what im thinking .

Thats fine, it happens to all of us.

Majhoka wrote:If it turns out to be a bad idea or too complex . i can delete the topic .

Theres no need to do that. Discussion is a good thing. If nobody addressed problems and such the game would get nowhere. It doesn't mean your idea is a bad one or anything, there are just different points of view and different opinions.

p.s You might want to edit your reply and change the color of, or put on bold, your responses in your quote, it sort of looks like I was saying those things lol
i.e:

alex wrote: what I said Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla.

your reply Bla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla blaBla bla bla

edit: You didn't have to remove your whole post lol

-Alex

Well I am torn myself. I see less need for the weapons warehouses, but more need for the Shelters.

Weapon warehouses
Pros,,, dont have to repair the entire armory
Cons,,, it eliminates the restriction of weapons facilities(not coded yet)

Its a two sided coin, and a double edged blade. On one hand is a free way for massive strikes to attack cheaply, on the other it would help raiders emencely.

Shelters
I personally dislike the way we dont have a "general population". It does severly limit traders in this game. It cost you to train UU, then more to untrain them, then you lose 2% when trading them. Thats a very large cost to trade in comparission to other resources and other games. I would like to see a set % of income be allowed to be trained into "General population" or something similiar. Maybe 10% of total population or something. This would give you some pool to draw from when retraining lost units in att and def, or covert and assasins. It would help to ease the high costs of recovering from a good massing. I mean the overall cost for training a miner(mid grade income) is 7,500, then to untrain him is 7,546, then to make a super defender is 150,000, then to arm him with level 9 weapon is 112,000. So recovery and retraining is expensive.

Overall I think the balances in the game are good, and dont want to risk unbalancing it, even if i dont understand certain aspects(why untraining cost are more the training cost, and the screwy weapon repair costs) But having to deal with buying and selling large quanities of UU myself, and the troubles that come with it, trying to hold it long enough to sell it, seeing 90% of my profits eaten up by training/untraining/taxes, and trying to not get raided. For traders of UU here its a hard knock life.

not sure if you noticed, 2% untraining loss got removed (as shown by the removal of that text which said you'd lose units)
That's why untraining costs are now higher

anyways, will think about the uu shelter thing. Initial thoughts, limiting it to several days, worth of raw up instead of army size. Most likely sheltered units generating, little or no income. On the other hand, most likely no un/training costs.

About weapon repairs. Taking sgw for example. Repairing a weapon from scratch was something like 30-35k compared to 550-600k build cost. Hence making massing way too cheap for the attacker, if he only has to keep repairing their weapons instead of having to rebuild them. At peak times I managed a ratio of 1 naq lost for each 20 naq destroyed (AT, UU, training, repair costs obviously all considered)

Admin wrote:not sure if you noticed, 2% untraining loss got removed (as shown by the removal of that text which said you'd lose units)
That's why untraining costs are now higher

anyways, will think about the uu shelter thing. Initial thoughts, limiting it to several days, worth of raw up instead of army size. Most likely sheltered units generating, little or no income. On the other hand, most likely no un/training costs.

About weapon repairs. Taking sgw for example. Repairing a weapon from scratch was something like 30-35k compared to 550-600k build cost. Hence making massing way too cheap for the attacker, if he only has to keep repairing their weapons instead of having to rebuild them. At peak times I managed a ratio of 1 naq lost for each 20 naq destroyed (AT, UU, training, repair costs obviously all considered)

The 2% was in reference to trading them via private trade broker, not untraining losses. Sorry for not being more clear.

I do think basing it on RAW UP is a better idea, and I say NO income, maybe even a loss of income(Very small per unit, say 1 to 5 kewal?) This is an added feature, not a free ride. Also, you have to log in to manualy move the men correct? no free/automatic training or nothing like that.

As for weapons, I am agreeing with you. I do have an unfinished idea, ill make a thread on it, maybe something usefull will come of it.