Recompenses Calculations

Farmers = 5,000 Kuwal, produce 50 per turn
Workers = 7,500 Kuwal, produce 60 per turn
Miners = 10,000 Kuwal, produce 70 per turn

Therefore, for a particular unit to pay for itself, it takes...

Farmers = 5000/50 = 100 turns x 30 minutes / 2 (hr) / 24 (days) = 62.5 days.
Workers = 7500/60 = 125 turns x 30 minutes / 2 (hr) / 24 (days) = 78.125 days
Miners = 10000/70 = 143 (roughly) x 30 / 2 (hr) / 24 (days) = 89.375 days

It takes a minimum of two months, or three months in the case of miners, for them to compensate you for the money you poured into their training. Of course, this is assuming with no mods or anything else of the sort. Let's get further into these calculations. How long would it take to equalize profit of untrained units that you did not pay for this entire time?

Farmers: 100(20) + 20x = 50x | 2000 = 50x - 20x | 2000/30 = x | 67 (roughly)
Workers 125(20) + 20x = 60x | 2500 = 60x - 20x | 2500/40 = x | 62.5 (63)
Miners: 143(20) + 20x = 70x | 2860 = 70x - 20x | 2860/50 = x | 57.2 (58)

So. In conclusion, it takes 104 days to gain back what was lost with farmers, 117.4 for workers, and 125.3 days for miners.

Really, it's just better to steal them from other players.

you can't steal income units, but your UU can be stolen!

dont forget to add value of the untrained units:

UU = 100,000 kuwal = 20 Kuwal income = 5000 Turns = 104 Days
Farmer = 105,000 kuwal = 50 Kuwal income = 2100 Turns = 43.75 Days
Worker = 107,500 kuwal = 60 Kuwal income = 1791 Turns = 37.3 Days
Miner = 110,000 kuwal = 70 Kuwal income = 1571 Turns = 32.7 Days

Admin wrote:dont forget to add value of the untrained units:

UU = 100,000 kuwal = 20 Kuwal income = 5000 Turns = 104 Days
Farmer = 105,000 kuwal = 50 Kuwal income = 2100 Turns = 43.75 Days
Worker = 107,500 kuwal = 60 Kuwal income = 1791 Turns = 37.3 Days
Miner = 110,000 kuwal = 70 Kuwal income = 1571 Turns = 32.7 Days

I did. Look at the second set of calculations. I'm ignoring untrained units, because they don't actually cost anything to make per day; they just require investment to boost the number being created over a period of time, which...

I really don't want to get into. I've done enough math for today.

ok then you have to implete the costs of raw up into it :p

souldog wrote:ok then you have to implete the costs of raw up into it :p

By RAW, do you perhaps mean the cost of producing a unit? A scaling increase of cost in production vs. gain from those units that occurs daily and yet must also be factored as a time-unit of per turn?

I honestly do not want to do those calculations. Someone else can if I want; these numbers only represent the cost of training (1) producer unit, and the amount of time it takes for them to "earn back" the investment.

That's all.

if you think the units themselves cost nothing then you are dead wrong mate.

A good strategy for new accounts is to sell untrained to other players so that they can increase their up.
1) means you have less income which you are no way able to protect from larger players
2) your "total income" actually goes up if you convert uu value that comes from up each day into kuwal

a brand new account can sell 1k uu's for 100 mil if they find a buyer and immediately get their up to ~450 per day. Recovering what they sold within 2 days.
For 1k uu's to produce enough income to be able to buy another 1k of uu's will take a good while see calculation above

And fyi for the calculations you dont have to consider time. All you need to calculate the marginal increase in income between upgrading up or buying more income

a brand new account can sell 1800 uu for 160 millions and 400 supply turns for another 160 million, this means they can use 320 million on researching unit production.

105.000 farmer / (48x50) = 43.75 days
107.500 farmer / (48x60) = 37.33 days
110.000 farmer / (48x70) = 32.74 days
(with 100% administrative efficiency)

105.000 farmer / (48x50) *2= 87.50 days
107.500 farmer / (48x60) *2= 74.67 days
110.000 farmer / (48x70) *2= 64.48 days
with 50% administrative efficiency

105.000 farmer / (48x50) *4= 175.00 days
107.500 farmer / (48x60) *4= 149.33 days
110.000 farmer / (48x70) *4= 130.96 days
with 25% administrative efficiency

an up which costs 5.000.000 returns investment after 50 days
an up which costs 10.000.000 returns investment after 100 days
an up which costs 15.000.000 returns investment after 150 days

therefore with 50% admin eff, get 10k up
with 25% admin eff, get 15k up

Admin wrote:if you think the units themselves cost nothing then you are dead wrong mate.

A good strategy for new accounts is to sell untrained to other players so that they can increase their up.
1) means you have less income which you are no way able to protect from larger players
2) your "total income" actually goes up if you convert uu value that comes from up each day into kuwal

a brand new account can sell 1k uu's for 100 mil if they find a buyer and immediately get their up to ~450 per day. Recovering what they sold within 2 days.
For 1k uu's to produce enough income to be able to buy another 1k of uu's will take a good while see calculation above

And fyi for the calculations you dont have to consider time. All you need to calculate the marginal increase in income between upgrading up or buying more income

First and foremost; I never said that. Nor is it my opinion. I merely said that providing the calculations for "actual cost" of untrained units is a sliding variable scale, and that using simple mathematics to provide an answer is impossible.

And yes, I do have to consider time. Everything in this game is a function of time; the production of units, the amount of money gained, the time it takes to attack someone, building turns. They are all functions of time. Time = money, in this case, along with many other things...

But I'm glad to see that the market conversions and scales have been posted for untrained unit. I'll keep that in mind for future instances.

Edit: You're still missing the point. My posts merely demonstrated how long it takes for the investment of training to roll back and give you your investment back. Nothing else.

just wait till ian gets here...

Ian will you stop recruiting everything with a heartbeat

LOL, naa just playing, Ian and you really would get along well.

As to your point, I see and agree with you, but just want to point out that you really have no choice. You have to train the UU or they will be taken from you. Also keep in mind that farmers CAN NOT be killed and never lost, but the other 2 breeds of income units can.

@ Ablogqwer,,, Welcome to the game and forums mate, hope you stick around and enjoy them both.

Nomad wrote:Ian will you stop recruiting everything with a heartbeat

Since when is Kenzu's name Ian?

Also, I agree with Ian, he'd be a fine addition to TC. I believe he's a role-player as well so that leaves little room for personality issues (role-players tend to not be idiots).

On subject (kind of) though: I like how Kenzu calculates the UP he should have according to AE.

Well, it's just a matter of time factors. I suppose I could write various conclusions now about marketing, selling units, the price gotten for UU, income...

But I think I'll work on those and give them to TC, now that I'm a part of them... unless they already figured all those out.

...Eh? Someone knows me from my name? Yes, I am a role-player. Apparently my name gets around.