World Republic vs. The Imperium

In the last 2 days, TIE members have been massed:

Blackeagle,
Mitola,
Souldog,
superkingstop,

TIE lost over 6.100.000 miners, workers and other military units

World Republic and our allies lost 75.000 - 125.000 units.

Total damage inflicted on TIE was:

yesterday: 608-640 billion kuwal
today: 130.5 billion kuwal
In total 750 billion kuwal (in the last 2 days)

TIE lost a value between 738 and 770 billion kuwal
WR spent in total a value between 45 and 60 billion kuwal
Our allies spent a value of 50 billion kuwal

The value refers to all repairs, untrained units, attack turns, training and other expenses related to massing.
1 AT valued at 800.000 kuwal
1 UU valued at 100.000 kuwal

Why would it have been better to post that 2 days ago?

then you didn't massed us with rflash and danuboy

no need to create new topics

who did ?

kenzu with his operation zerohour, merged the post with this thread

World Republic is at war with TIE since 12 the October 2009

Here is the list of battles during the war, where WR fought TIE back.

First battle

In the first offensive, WR massed ian and Korruption (korruption's miners have been killed) dealing 40 billion damage.
WR spent a value of 10 billion in the attack

(TIE responded by massing some of our members)

Operation "Zerohour"
2 days ago, WR and our allies massed 4 TIE members. TIE responded with massing one of our smaller players. WR and our allies responded with massing another TIE member.

Following TIE members have been massed:

Blackeagle, (lost over 0.5 million miners)
Mitola, (lost 3 million miners)
Souldog, (lost over 1.5 million miners)
superkingstob,
AS23 (lost over 1 million miners)

TIE lost over 6.100.000 miners, workers and other military units
(and of course hundreds of tousands IFVs)

World Republic and our allies lost 75.000 - 125.000 units.

Total damage inflicted on TIE was:

yesterday: 608-640 billion kuwal
today: 130.5 billion kuwal
In total 750 billion kuwal (in the last 2 days)

TIE lost a value between 738 and 770 billion kuwal
WR spent in total a value between 45 and 60 billion kuwal
Our allies spent a value of 50 billion kuwal






The value refers to all repairs, untrained units, attack turns, training and other expenses related to massing.
1 AT valued at 800.000 kuwal
1 UU valued at 100.000 kuwal

Admin wrote:no need to create new topics

I dont want to post in TIE spam ridden thread.
Furthermore TIE changes facts and WR has the right to have a thread on their own.

Congratulations to Kenzu/ World Republic - i was wondering when you guys would finally hit back!

I m glad to see you ve got over your "we ll concentrate on The Commonwealth since they are the "weakest" of the Imperium strategy" - since that strategy honestly defied logic (considering you could mass other players with lots more miners than what The Commonwealth has, thus cause far more damage!) - so i ll extend my warm congratulations to World Republic for a job well done

Now... we can finally get down to fighting this war properly The honey moon period is over guys - The Imperium left you alone for weeks on end after we retaliated to your *attempted* massing of myself (in the hopes you d come to the negotiating table) - now we can fight it out properly at last

On the bright side - at least you ve illustrated in a very visible way to some of The Imperium who were complacent/ foolish enough to have all miners (against the advice of myself and The Commonwealth) just what a catastrophic mistake that was.... Oh well, the lesson was going to have to be learnt sooner or later anyway

rofl, right WR deserves their own thread to talk about the war

not really, i wont set the standard that opposing sides may have several threads

my comment was sarcasm. Its war, if kenzu wants his own thread he can use his own forum and hope that TIE doesn't go there again

It is a complete waste to create multiple threads. I agree with admin. If people create a new thread everytime they get into a debate it would be impossible for any1 to get the full story.

Just by Kenzu creating the past few threads all about the exact same topic most ppl are struggling to get the facts. If we stayed on the original thread a person can simply scroll back a few pages and read exactly what was being discussed instead of needing to search through 10 different threads that Kenzu has created in an attempt to confuse and manipulate the truth

vesper I can't agree with that scrolling back a few pages, judging from experience. With topics people will rarely read beyond the first and last few posts, hence I look at this first page, most of it is ian's posts, well you get what I mean.

As to who is confusing and manipulating the truth, imo if both sides keep accusing each other of that all the time, well dunno
(I dont have an issue with people presenting their "facts" and opinions. What I mean is saying the actual sentence "[insert name] keeps twisting the facts and confuses people" is what really ticks me off with everyone around here, it's like with little kids for crying out loud).

Personally I'd like to take out the banhammer, but some people might tell me that it's actually mature if both sides accuse each other of doing the same thing, and then keep repeating it over and over again.

Special Agent 47 wrote:@ Admin, a split would be nice, R/L politics have no place in here. Nice to see you defending your brother and his alliance again, tho you did throw in that one liner to save face, something about not ending up in this situation to begin with. Well that is the entire point isnt it?

Did the effort of splitting the RL stuff away. Other than that, you're wrong about saving face. I'm not interested in that, this is a forum, I have an account, I have an opinion. I will definitely share it if it's on topic. About defending, well ok, if you want to call stating my opinion as that, no problem, that's your opinion

The one liner is there so that certain people dont get funny ideas trying to interpret more into the post than there actually is. I admit sometimes people might misinterpret the level of authority associated with a post, hence why I will add some note each time there is a risk of ambiguity.

ian wrote:Congratulations to Kenzu/ World Republic - i was wondering when you guys would finally hit back!

I m glad to see you ve got over your "we ll concentrate on The Commonwealth since they are the "weakest" of the Imperium strategy" - since that strategy honestly defied logic (considering you could mass other players with lots more miners than what The Commonwealth has, thus cause far more damage!) - so i ll extend my warm congratulations to World Republic for a job well done

Now... we can finally get down to fighting this war properly The honey moon period is over guys - The Imperium left you alone for weeks on end after we retaliated to your *attempted* massing of myself (in the hopes you d come to the negotiating table) - now we can fight it out properly at last

On the bright side - at least you ve illustrated in a very visible way to some of The Imperium who were complacent/ foolish enough to have all miners (against the advice of myself and The Commonwealth) just what a catastrophic mistake that was.... Oh well, the lesson was going to have to be learnt sooner or later anyway

Weeks and weeks of built up Kuwal and Supply turns!! Lets get this rolling Perhaps people will finally see why The Commonwealth shifted all of their miners to workers when admin introduced the new invasion method saving us billions of untraining and training costs

The only reason people are inserting the name "Kenzu" is because he is the entire face of WR. Not a single other member of WR is stepping forward on behalf of the entire alliance.

I am mainly sick of BOTH sides accusing each other of starting the war. BOTH sides are at fault. "it takes two to tango"

Here is all the evidence and the facts that i know of to this point. These are the points i feel led to where we are today.
~Kenzu sends messages literally asking for spies in The Commonwealth, The Company, and The Others. possibly more.

~In response to this The Commonwealth leaps at the opportunity to mislead Kenzu and give him any information we feel fit. Triple agent so to say and yes he has been from day 1. I am 1 of the few people that was informed of the person and knew what information was being provided.

Ian looks out for his friends and those under his command in every game. Im sure many of you know that from dune if you were to mass 1 member of The Commonwealth you sentenced your entire alliance to war. Still stands that way to this day on dune.

~ So when an attack from 3cats4me went to sabotage Space2050 for a profitable farming act it pretty much just pissed off a bunch of people. Not because a person tried and failed to assassinate a member of our alliance but because it was a member of WR who have massed defensless players for a while. TIE has sat on the sidelines for a while just watching and observing since it didnt really involve us and we didnt have any true evidence that WR was being the aggressors other then what was being said on the forums. Then by 3cats4me attempting to sabatoge Space2050 it PROVED that members of WR would use hostile attacks for no reason other then being farmed.

~ Then we get to the ultimatum.

ian wrote:35hours 25minutes untill the ultimatum expires, and WR's failure to comply with the ultimatum/ demands are deemed a declaration of war by World Republic against The Commonwealth, The Company and The Others.

To clarify exactly what we want:

1.) we want a code of conduct (to give you a idea - The Commonwealth's own one is here: http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/alliance-recruitment-f19/the-commonwealth-t451-30.htm#6878) which sets out World Republic's views/ principles regarding its members and outside members conduct - and what shall and shan't be accepted, and consequences of breach of the conduct.

Purpose of this was so that WR will not randomly mass people just for the hell of it. As a group this was asked to be put into the ultimatum so that the smaller members such as 3cats4me will know that is is unacceptable to sabotage other players for no reason. And if he did he would be punished by the High COuncil of WR rather then having an entire war declared on WR.

If World Republic's code of conduct satisfies the main alliances of Aderan Wars (in terms of justice, fairness and general morals) then we shall expect World Republic to abide by it (failure to do so would result in us enforcing it against WR).

2.) We want World Republic to cease immediately any attempts at infiltration with spies of any other alliance, and to cease attempting to set up a surveillance network of the other alliances on Aderan Wars.

Well this should be obvious. No1 wants spies in their alliance

3.) We want the names of ALL World Republic operatives in other alliances - coupled with evidence that they are actually operatives (if we don't get any names + evidence of their being operations ... this term will be deemed not being satisfied, and the ultimatum breached) - you may want to consider that between The Commonwealth, The Company and The Others we have a considerable list/ knowledge of World Republic spies operating in our ranks, and other alliances - so if you try to double cross us on this i.e. miss out a operatives name - we ll know, and deem it a breach of the ultimatum, and thus a declaration of war.

Same reason as above. We didnt want spies as that is clearly an act of war to infiltrate a potential enemy.

4.) We demand World Republic drop all its inactive members - the definition of active being logging in, in the last 36hours.

This was asked so that people can tell the difference between members of WR that we should not touch and those that are inactive. This was literally to protect the larger members of WR from being farms. If WR had a core group of people that TIE could address as WR instead of a bunch of inactives.


5.) WR accept that any member of WR who has more resources out in the open than 36 hours worth will be considered no longer protected by WR and so will be open to sabbing and massing to reduce defences and so farming costs - by any outside party/ alliance.

I would think 36 hours is a bit short but in general this was decided to be added to the ultimatum so that WR would not be able to protect inactives.

6.) World Republic pay The Commonwealth 1,000,000,000 kuwal for its troubles, and The Company 750,000,000 for their troubles - this 1,750,000,000 thus acting as a compensation to World Republic victims, and acting as a fine on World Republic for previous crimes committed, thereby restoring some justice for their crimes.

Okay honestly. 1.75bil is nothing compared to all the crap that has happened. This was later decided to be pointless and was removed entirely

Failure to comply with any of the above by the time of the dead-line (2.13 a.m GMT, tuesday the 22nd 2009), will be deemed a declaration of war by World Republic against The Commonwealth, The Company and The Others, and as such a state of hostilities shall exist.

technically after this ultimatum WR should have been massed. But no Ian, reaper, and Dark Arrow decided to fight in WR's defense and issued a new ultimatum instead of going straight to war

Thats about it i think... did i miss anything out, anyone?

Now TIE played around a bit with WR knowing that they had a spy in The Commonwealth. The best way to end ALL hostility from TIE would have been for Kenzu to openly TELL THE TRUTH about Vance. Only thing that had to be done to have everything forgiven. Kenzu finally agreed to saying he had a spy in TIE and was about to post and every1 have peace. But no, he says he has a spy because TIE "forced" him to say he had 1. If any1 can argue that saying sorry because your forced to means the same as honestly apologizing i would love to hear some1 argue that Kenzu's post was honest and he was not trying to twist the truth, Deflecting that he might actually not have a spy.

~Then at some point in the middle of all of this, Sara a HC member of WR breaks their own Code of Conduct. Better yet, she was told to break it by the alliance leader himself, who wrote the code of conduct.

After kenzu's post post about admitting to having a spy only because we forced him to admit it i feel was the ultimate slap to the face and war will happen it was just a matter of who felt like actually starting it. (Kenzu and Lord Pegasus took lead on this)

So now lets be completely honest.

1)Do members of both alliances want to stay at war? Do members of both alliances want peace?

2)Does TIE have alot more resources then WR and will ultimately "win" not based on skill but based on shear amount of income over WR?

3)Is this war going to prove anything?
Im sure most of the server knows that The Commonwealth has made its point and through math and strategy it is near impossible for WR to launch a full scale attack against us and have it be profitable.
WR proved that they can gain allies despite being near defeated and can launch a successful counter attack if offered breathing room.

4)Is every person not involved in the war going to outgrow WR and TIE while we spend billions of kuwal just smashing each other?



Before this war Kenzu and Ian were both roughly 2mil army size. Not so much the case anymore.
kilo ~~~~~~2,520,630
Keinutnai ~~ 1,721,300