World Republic vs. The Imperium

I m liking the fact The Commonwealth now has the largest total war experience - and has jumped from rank 4 to rank 2 in alliance-war experience

If we can get to rank 1 alliance-war experience i ll be happy lol. Eithier way though - The Company and The Commonwealth gaining lots of war experience via using World Republic as target practice can only be a good thing for us, and a bad thing for World Republic :D

Fun fun times - my personal war experience jumped by over 10million in the space of an hour last night

Jiro wrote:The fact that WR dropped out of the ratings has nothing to do with it?

World Republic was already rank 3 in member's total experience - after The Company and The Commonwealth - befor the war began. There's also the fact that The Commonwealth went from rank 4 to rank 2 in allaince war experience... thats a jump of 2 places. World Republic is 1 place. Meaning The Commonwealth's jump can't be attributed to World Republic disappearing - as we d still have jumped up at least 1 place, potentially 2 in alliance war experience.

So - NO, world republic had absolutely zero to do with it, other than being used as cannon fodder to get our experience up

Jiro wrote:I think it is sad to see people conduct a war so gleefully. I haven't seen as much smileys in the past weeks.

Well, world republic chose to start this war despite my asking them if they had anything else to say before i put the decision to The Imperium memberbase on whether to go war. They assumed The Imperium would vote yes to going to war... personally i think The Imperium would have done so, but the result could have been no. I do find it amusing Kenzu and World Republic were unwilling to wait to see whether all the statements made by them had managed to sway The Imperium memberbase - perhaps they realised insulting those members didn't help their case?

Eithier way though - World Republic fired the first shots of this war - not us. The Imperium's just so smiley because the attack by World Republic on myself was a complete shambles, which when contrasted to our very quickly put together counter-attack inflicting about 6 times more damage than World Republic's suprise (and previously planned) attack on myself - pretty much does help improve morale. The Imperium's so smiley because we now get to exact our revenge on World Republic for all the insults, lies, allegations and past conduct committed against us - and we are so smiley because we do so, knowing full well we did not actually start this fight, and are the defenders.

We don't have to worry about justifying ourselves, or being called the bullies - because the simple fact remains.... we hadn't laid a finger on World Republic (other than normal farming/ raiding), and many of us infact still had World Republic members set to peace (i.e. i had kenzu, lord pegasus and kismet all set to peace when they massed me) - when World Republic decided to launch an suprise attack, just a handful of hours after i asked them if they had anything else to say/ appeal to The Imperium memberbase before a vote (which could have gone eithier way) was held.

We are so smiley - because everything Kenzu has said - about World Republic being honest, not being a bully, not starting wars or attacking other alliances, not being decietful, being more open etc... - has by World Republic's very actions in starting this war, been proved wrong. Kenzu didn't even issue a advance warning to World Republic players before his strike team launched their attacks - the result was thulkthayer and october 17 were caught completely offguard. He says he's honest and open - yet thats a very clear example of his not being honest and open with his own members.... lets not even think what he's like with players outside World Republic.

And the final thing which makes me personally smile - is because Kenzu and the WR leadership will of course say they weren't honest and open with WR members about WR's planned assault because it was in the interests of World Republic not to do so - since if The Imperium got wind of it, we d obviously be prepared. In a nut shell though, by making such an claim and justifying why they weren't honest, open, accountable (i.e. telling the WR members their plans would have given WR members the chance to influence them) and trustworthy with WR members - its basically saying all of these factors come second to furthering what Kenzu and The World Republic leadership believe to be World Republic's interests.

And, for anyone who's missed the last 2months, it is precisely this sort of thing - of factors such as honesty, openness, trusthworthiness and accountability being disposed of when its convenient for World Republic's leadership in order to further World Republic's interests - which is why The Imperium has acted how we ve acted the last 2months or so in response to various World Republic conduct.

That, my friend - is why all of The Imperium is so happy and cheerful. World Republic haven't just completely bolloxed up a suprise attack, they haven't just sufferred a much more devestating (compared to their own attack) counterattack, they haven't just started a war and are the actual aggressors - they ve instead all in one go done all of these factors AND provided a very visible, very clear example of the sort of conduct which The Imperium has been accussing them off for the last 2months.

Fijo wrote:So you weren't planning on attacking WR at all, right?

So - before the final decision is made by The Imperium collective regarding your and World Republic's fate - as a final act of sportsmanship i ll be happy to ask you - is there anything more you d like to say/ appeal to The Imperium Memberbase before they make their decision?

This sounded really a lot like what a storybook bully says to a small kid before taking their lunch money no matter what they say.

I d suggest you re-read what you just quoted before trying to put words into my mouth.

As for the bully thing - i couldn't careless where you grew up, or your personal experiences of life in general - what i said there meant exactly that what i wrote - is there anything kenzu/ World Republic wanted to say (such as i dunno... i m sorry for lieing to the imperium, our spy is actually vance - the reason we ve not admitted before is because we thought if we did you d wipe us out - or maybe a simple plea for mercy and moving appeal to the imperium member's hearts and mercy etc... - i.e. whatever kenzu/ WR felt appropriate) before the vote to go to war was put to the imperium memberbase.

So - as it stood, there were no garantee's The Imperium would go to war, and there were no garantee's The Imperium wouldn't go to war.

LiL_Monsters wrote:

ian wrote:

Fijo wrote:So you weren't planning on attacking WR at all, right?

So - before the final decision is made by The Imperium collective regarding your and World Republic's fate - as a final act of sportsmanship i ll be happy to ask you - is there anything more you d like to say/ appeal to The Imperium Memberbase before they make their decision?

This sounded really a lot like what a storybook bully says to a small kid before taking their lunch money no matter what they say.

I d suggest you re-read what you just quoted before trying to put words into my mouth.

As for the bully thing - i couldn't careless where you grew up, or your personal experiences of life in general - what i said there meant exactly that what i wrote - is there anything kenzu/ World Republic wanted to say (such as i dunno... i m sorry for lieing to the imperium, our spy is actually vance - the reason we ve not admitted before is because we thought if we did you d wipe us out - or maybe a simple plea for mercy and moving appeal to the imperium member's hearts and mercy etc... - i.e. whatever kenzu/ WR felt appropriate) before the vote to go to war was put to the imperium memberbase.

So - as it stood, there were no garantee's The Imperium would go to war, and there were no garantee's The Imperium wouldn't go to war.

just out of curiousity, what does this post tell him?

Re: For Lasting Peace

Post by ian Yesterday at 9:02 pm

Kenzu wrote:The only person I am questioning is ian. No one else. He is behind all the lies. He is behind all the trouble.

ian wrote:Kenzu, thats a really nice suicide note you ve just wrote there. Any last requests?



Why is that a suicide note?

Show me some evidence, because I don't think you can provide any real evidence except bollocks.




You know what kenzu - your as good as dead. There will NEVER be peace between world republic and The Commonwealth. NEVER. No surrender, no retreat, no rest. You ve just lied your last time - we will drive you from this game and make sure you can never build a account ever again. You might as well quit - because i am well and truly sick to death of your lies. Your lie here - about vance - is unforgivable.

I ve never made a promise such as this before in all my 3 years on these sort of games, and never thought i d make such a promise - but i promise here and now, that no matter the sufferring or hardship inflicted, no matter the cost - I and anyone willing to follow me will sit on you untill all eternity. We will fight you never ending - we will destroy you and all who follow you.

Your a dead man.


that is from the Forum Lasting Peace topic. just sounds to me like you left him no choice but to declare war. whitch i think was a very smart move any leader could of done and going invisible or what ever thats called, was the second smartest thing he could have done, just my opinion, on how it looks to me.

http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/alliance-wars-treaties-f4/for-lasting-peace-t925-30.htm

Except you ignore the later post (i.e. posted many many hours after the one you quoted) explaining the situation in more detail - and offering kenzu one last chance to say/appeal anything he wished before the vote was put to the imperium memberbase. You can't just pick and choose what posts to listen to, and what one's not to - facts are after that post there was another post offerring kenzu a last chance of appeal/ to say anything else.

Kenzu and WR chose to ignore that - despite it being made clear the final decision rested with The Imperium memberbase. War wasn't certain - the memberbase still had the chance to vote no... though i don't doubt for a second the odds of a "No" vote being returned weren't exactly high. But by going to war made war a certainty... a war which WR has so far sustained 6 times the amount of damage in than they ve inflicted (anyone who spied me before WR massed me, and have spied me since can see who's telling the truth about losses - since Kenzu has told WR that i m lieing about my losses ) - and one which in all probability is a bit one sided. I.e. The Commonwealth alone makes 245,000+ Unit Production a day and 516million kuwal a turn - 24,768billion kuwal a day. Thats a total economic generation (U.P * 100,000 + daily income) of 49,268,000,000 kuwal's worth including U.P kuwal's value + income.

World Republic threw the best they had at myself/ The Commonwealth - and the result is they managed to set The Commonwealth back by under 1/3 of a day. Since this war has been waging (about 16hours or so) - that means The Commonwealth hasn't just regenerated its losses, but generated the equivilant of the resources lost again - and by the time tomorrow when the war's been going for 24hours... we d have replaced the losses, and have enough extra resources to cover 2 more massings of similar extent. I suspect World Republic's own resource reserves are running low now - and i m prepared to bet significant resources that World Republic won't be able to come anywhere near close to being able to keep up with The Commonwealth's regenerative ability.... and thats not even including The Company which overshadow's The Commonwealth's regenerative abilities by a pretty large amount.

But.. point is - even after my initial "promise" post, i then made another more recent one. War even then still wasn't a certainty - had Kenzu apologised for any allegations made against The Imperium - then had he quietly withdrawn Vance from The Imperium (he wouldn't have even have to have mentioned him infact, so long as Vance was out of our ranks)... and had he made some vague promises about World Republic conduct in the future (I.e. such as promising to be more patient, diplomatic etc...) - i suspect it would have been enough to sway the bulk of The Imperium's memberbase into voting no - remembering that its really only those strongly involved in this situation from both sides posting, so normal members are far less involved, and thus far more impartial..... - had Kenzu actually apologised about the allegations, and withdrawn vance - i d have been happy (and infact still would be happy - though not for a bit, i want a chance to draw some blood now since some of mine has been drawn) to have forgiven WR, and moved my support back behind finding a peaceful solution... which would have just happened (since kenzu apologising and withdrawing Vance would have ended the issue).

Infact - could you do me a favour, and tell me if Kenzu actually even told you guys about the extensive peace discussion he had with myself and Reaper? We all but had peace signed and sealed - just waiting for the official peace topic to be created... when Kenzu pulled out of the agreement. ALL that agreement required from WR was an apology for the allegations made against us, an apology to the server for any past misconducts - and for kenzu to admit to Vance being his spy. THAT was it. Literally. Sadly for reasons completely unknown to me - Kenzu decided to abondon it just when it was pretty much done.

So... please don't accuse The Imperium of being the aggressors here. We had a peace treaty pretty much signed when Kenzu blew it out of the water. Even then, World Republic fired the first shots which have now made this cold war (which it was) into a hot-full scale war.

http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/empire-wars-treaties-f3/world-republic-and-urban-empire-military-pact-t879.htm

1 ally left WR already. Regradless of the reason that is 1 less alliance against TIE.