TIE has spies in WR

It is no secret that TIE (The Company and The Commonwealth) has spies (not just 1 spy, but more) in World Republic.

World Republic is completely aware of this fact and therefore TIE asking World Republic not to have spies in TIE (The Company and the commonwealth) is completely ridiculous and strengthens the fact that TIE, particularly ian is trying to bully World Republic.

Not only do we have proof that TIE has spies in our alliance, we have been told by a TIE member who the spies in our alliance are AND Ian and Reaper themselves mentioned things, which they could know, only if they had spies in WR.

TIE spies operating on World Republic are the reason, why the request of Commonwealth and Company not to have WR spies in their alliances is void, is not part of the ultimatum anymore, (since TIE engaged in such practices themselves).

Therefore any attack of TIE on World Republic on the grounds that WR has spies in TIE would be wrong and shouldn't be accepted by the community.

The only acceptable reason (according to my opinion) why one alliance can go to war with another is that one alliance has been attacked by the other, but not if only 1 member attacks, since it could have been a spy working for the other alliance to give a false pretense for an attack

(If one member masses someone from another alliance, that alliance should mass back that one person, or get the other alliance to kick the member out.)

I think you would agree that it would be unfair if a newbie from alliance A masses a newbie from alliance B and in respons alliance B masses alliance A.

If WR isn't allowed to have spies in TIE, TIE isn't allowed to have spies in WR (however there have been TIE spies in WR for much longer time than the date when ultimatum has been declared. Furthermore, during the time, when ultimatum discussions were going on, ian was very active at gaining secret information from WR through spies for his cause.)

Therefore WR is no longer bound to the agreement not to have spies in TIE.
If World Republic will be attacked, injustice would have happened, as the agressor had no right to attack World Republic.

An agressor is never right, and pre-emptive attacks on others are never justified, as World Republic has never went to war with another alliance, never made a pre-emptive attack and isn't planning to attack an alliance either.

If an alliance launches a "pre-emptive strike" (attacking without declaring war days in advance), people shouldn't cooperate with such an alliance ever again.

Catch a spy, you either use them or kick them out.
You do not make a public show of it, unless that serves your agenda.. which it clearly does in this case.

Question from a simple-minded outsider: Does World Republic dictate AderanWars morality? Because "it's wrong because we don't do it" only works if you are paragons of good. From what I can tell, you -WR- are just as much into political rhetorics as they -TIE- are.


Besides, in an alliance the size of World Republic, you are bound to have some loyalty issues.. *grin*

So, outsider perspective: good story, but your logic is flawed on quite a few levels. Looking forward to a fun read when your opponents reply.


p.s. If you know there is a spy/spies, but you cannot find them.. either trust everyone, or no one. If the spies are too good for you to find, you will not be able to hide much from them in the first place.

I know that the bigger the alliance, the more likely there will be a spy and the harder it will be to find one.

I dont have a problem with spies. I think they are part of the game.

But what I have a problem with is some people telling us what we can and cannot do and then doing it themselves.

"You don't want us to have spies? Fine, but don't have spies either!"

well kenzu i would read your pm first before accusing anyone your members do share people because they probably don't have a clue it will harm your alliance maybe you should start informing new comers what is possible and what not! since your recruitingeveryone that is new you have to point a finger at yourself because you have caused all your own problems in the end

Lol .... Kenzu you call that logic ??

It's absurd to keep talking about justice and injustice .... this is a game and the goal is to WIN.

So in the grand scheme of things if alliance A attacks alliance B the main purpose is to get closer to that goal. If TIE attacks WR and wins, which is 99.9% probable, they will have eliminated the most powerful opponent they have atm. Of course, such an action will cost them alot of resources, will make WR members wanting for revenge and will probably make some people regard them in a different light, but it's their call to see if it's worth it or not.

All the rest is just role playing ... and tbh you're quite a bad actor.

souldog wrote:well kenzu i would read your pm first before accusing anyone your members do share people because they probably don't have a clue it will harm your alliance maybe you should start informing new comers what is possible and what not! since your recruitingeveryone that is new you have to point a finger at yourself because you have caused all your own problems in the end

By asking for information you are de facto looking for spies already.
if someone gives you the information, you have successfully acquired information through spies. Even if they don't know they are spies themselves.

lol that's very shortsighted in my opinion !

but still that gave me the info that you were wonce again lying about you "active" memberbase of 90 % if you wouldn't ly i wouldn't need inside info

but what you say actually means you did the same even when you say it was only to divide our alliance you were looking for spies

Wow, its unbelievable... it really is. I have to admit, i ve severely underestimated just what myself and Reaper are dealing with here. Oh well......

Kenzu seems to change his mind about near every decision or thought he has. Life must be very stressful for someone that first says there is no spy, then says he will reveal the spy, then says the spy is nonexistent, and is now starts up this topic for what reason exactly?

From what i was gathering things seemed to be going to plan and now you go and do something like this. I believe Kenzu has 2 lives, first 1 he is sober and posts during the day when he still has some thought process, then he goes and gets extremely drunk and then comes back and tries to argue when it comes out as just banter.

After all of this is over do you think we could count up all the lies Kenzu has said in the last month? Or just how many times he contradicted himself.

LOL, well guys and gals - while Kenzu is busy blathering on about the "nasty" Imperium and our trickery and nasty manipulation etc... - as well as all the spies we suppossedly have in World Republic's ranks (all without providing a scrap of evidence to back up his claims) - his members - and since we have not heard a shred of apology or action to show he does not approve of such actions, making him responsible as leader, and World Republic as a whole response as a alliance - are busy picking on yet more small players and breaching their code of conduct - merely breaching yet another term of the ultimatum issued against World Republic.

For those not in the loop Sara - who's one of world republic's strongest members, and also a HIGH COUNCIL member - assassinated Reyno 8 times on October the 7th, and then unsuccessfully tried to attack him. Reyno did nothing to Sara at all.

Now... here's the problem World Republic now faces:

1.) The code of conduct i made clear to World Republic i fully expected them to enforce and follow, was a essential/ main part of the ultimatum - and i made it clear a failure by the leadership to enforce it, or if it was breached a failure to at least award adequate compensation to the victim of the breach, and to punish the aggressor - would be deemed a breach of the ultimatum.

I can tell you now - Reyno has recieved no such apology, no compensation and to our knowledge, Sara has not been punished. I knew about the breach when it happened - and have for the last 3 days kept quiet to see what Kenzu's actions would be.... given he hasn't acted at all to rectify this crime in the 3 - 4 days it was committed, we can only conclude the code of conduct is not being enforced by World Republic - and consequently World Republic have breached the ultimatum.

2.) Sara is a high council member - what she does, given her position in World Republic - is on behalf of World Republic - again this points towards World Republic not caring about the code of conduct, and thus breaching the ultimatum.

3.) This is yet another example of World Republic picking on and smashing up smaller players... so another example of why The Imperium is taking a firm stance wth regard to World Republic, and actively trying to stop their bullying of smaller players.

4.) Reyno - unfortunately for World Republic - is a commonwealth member.... he is simply helping out The Others currently - but by his own words still regards myself as his leader. That means what happens to him happens to The Commonwealth - and he falls under our protection and responsibility.

Kenzu - you have failed comprehensively to enforce the code of conduct your members are meant to abide by. You have failed to compensate or reward any victims of World Republic hostility. You have failed completely to stop your members picking on other smaller players not in your alliance. You have failed to be truthful, honest and open with The Imperium concerning your spies in our ranks. You have failed to stop slandering and lieing about The Imperium, and spreading malicious lies. You have failed to abide by ANY of the terms of the ultimatum. You have failed to abide by the peace settlement we had virtually agreed upon, deliberating misleading myself and Reaper to buy time while you prepared for war .......... and worse still - you have failed to stop one of your own High Council members - a leader of World Republic - from acting not just in violation of your own code of conduct and the ultimatum - but failed in stopping that leader of The World Republic - from declaring war upon The Commonwealth, The Imperium and her members. Congratulations.

I made a public pledge on this forum not so long ago that The Commonwealth would defend the smaller players on this server against World Republic hostility. The Company has since joined The Commonwealth in that pledge - forming The Imperium Empire.

I m bound by that promise - and even more so when i consider the small member happens to be a member of The Commonwealth, simply in another alliance - or at worse a ex-member of The Commonwealth who is a friend and ally. Even more importantly - given the hostility and slander directed at The Commonwealth and myself, i now actively want to uphold that promise, and bring an end once and for all to World Republic hostility and aggression.

Kenzu/ World Republic - i want a 5,000,000,000 kuwal broker sent to myself by 12.01 am GMT October the 13th. This will be used to compensate Korruption, Robert, Tackless Shadow, Cicero and Reyno - small players all of whom who have in the last 2 - 3 months sufferred losses at the hands of World Republic members (all under the responsibility and authority of the current World Republic leadership) due to unwarranted and unprevoked aggression upon them.

I want an apology issued here and now to The Commonwealth, The Company and the server as a whole for all present and past actions of unjustified hostility by World Republic, an apology issued to The Commonwealth and The Company for the lies and slander committed against us, an admittance of the fact you have a spy in The Commonwealth - and lied in breach of the ultimatum issued by The Imperium to World Republic, and which you ve repeatedly lied about since, i want an apology for going back upon/ breaching the almost-completed peace treaty the leaders of The Commonwealth (myself), The Company (reaper) and World Republic (kenzu) had negotiated to avoid war, and an apology for failing to uphold ANY of the terms of the ultimatum issued to World Republic - yet outright lieing saying it has done so, and accussing The Imperium of being liars and manipulaters for saying otherwise.

Lastly, but not least - i want World Republic to accept without question (under pain of death) the deployment of 1 member from The Commonwealth and 1 member from The Company into World Republic's ingame alliance, given adviser access ingame, and with full high council access to World Republic's forum. These will function as Imperium Empire inspectors and ambassadors... who will keep a watch on World Republic's actions and conduct, to ensure that you abide by Imperium "humanitarian" laws (that you don't attack small players without justification, and that you don't deal with crisis's with force, without first exhausting all diplomatic options) - these members should be consulted by World Republic's members and leadership upon ALL diplomatic action or military force conducted by World Republic, and will serve as the inspectors and ambassadors of The Imperium to ensure Imperium humanitarian laws are met by World Republic - since obviously you are incapable of abiding by your own code of conduct - and can't be trusted as far as the server can throw you.

Finally - i want 10 good reasons from World Republic on just why The Imperium shouldn't wipe World Republic out here and now for all the repeated lies, breaches and deception conducted by World Republic in the last 3months - and 10 good reasons on just why The Imperium should trust any word/ promise made by World Republic, given your now on something like your 10th chance (having betrayed our trust the other 9 or so times).

None of these demands are open to negotiation - we are tired of negotiations and false promises.

Failure to meet ALL of these demands by 12.01 a.m GMT October the 13th ..... will result in World Republic embarking upon the last war of its era.

Regards.

Ian - Commonwealth Grand Chancellor and Co-leader of The Imperium Empire.

in no doubt The Company fully agrees to this demans.

we are all tired of your lies and trying to mislead us !

hereby if you don't meet all the demands by the given time we will be forced to declare war!

Souldog - The Company High Council member and member of The Imperium Empire

Kenzu wrote:It is no secret that TIE (The Company and The Commonwealth) has spies (not just 1 spy, but more) in World Republic.

World Republic is completely aware of this fact and therefore TIE asking World Republic not to have spies in TIE (The Company and the commonwealth) is completely ridiculous and strengthens the fact that TIE, particularly ian is trying to bully World Republic.

Not only do we have proof that TIE has spies in our alliance, we have been told by a TIE member who the spies in our alliance are AND Ian and Reaper themselves mentioned things, which they could know, only if they had spies in WR.

TIE spies operating on World Republic are the reason, why the request of Commonwealth and Company not to have WR spies in their alliances is void, is not part of the ultimatum anymore, (since TIE engaged in such practices themselves).
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OK as the official leader of TC and TIE (secret leader) i hereby declare we do have spies in WR...furthermore all spying on WR is coordinated and led by our lead spy Kenzu

~Phantom~ wrote:

Kenzu wrote:It is no secret that TIE (The Company and The Commonwealth) has spies (not just 1 spy, but more) in World Republic.

World Republic is completely aware of this fact and therefore TIE asking World Republic not to have spies in TIE (The Company and the commonwealth) is completely ridiculous and strengthens the fact that TIE, particularly ian is trying to bully World Republic.

Not only do we have proof that TIE has spies in our alliance, we have been told by a TIE member who the spies in our alliance are AND Ian and Reaper themselves mentioned things, which they could know, only if they had spies in WR.

TIE spies operating on World Republic are the reason, why the request of Commonwealth and Company not to have WR spies in their alliances is void, is not part of the ultimatum anymore, (since TIE engaged in such practices themselves).
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OK as the official leader of TC and TIE (secret leader) i hereby declare we do have spies in WR...furthermore all spying on WR is coordinated and led by our lead spy Kenzu

that doesnt even make sense!

so your admitting that your post makes no sense?

and sorry for blowing your cover bro

Before WR is lynched by the mob assembled here, could you please post some evidence regarding the attacks on Reyno?
Do Reyno and Sara have anything to comment?
As for compensation for Korruption, Robert, Tackless Shadow, Cicero and Reyno, why should this be directed to you and not the accounts involved? Though it may be hard sending compensation to people who have left the game. Not that excuses the alleged misconduct, but it may make it difficult to repair. Here also, please provide proof (unless already proven.)

It's absurd to keep talking about justice and injustice .... this is a game and the goal is to WIN.

So in the grand scheme of things if alliance A attacks alliance B the main purpose is to get closer to that goal. If TIE attacks WR and wins, which is 99.9% probable, they will have eliminated the most powerful opponent they have atm. Of course, such an action will cost them alot of resources, will make WR members wanting for revenge and will probably make some people regard them in a different light, but it's their call to see if it's worth it or not.

rflash, gathering a lynching mob and bullying like you see here is as despicable in roleplaying as it is in real life. Behaving in such a way, simply because you can and noone will punish you is evidence of a lack of a moral compass, something that will carry over in RL. And no the purpose of a game is not necessarily to win, not in a roleplaying game. Roleplaying is about interaction and the story you create together.
I have no problem with people attacking eachother, but I do have a problem with the type of pressure being put on Kenzu. With wave upon wave of innuendo or even real incidents, blown out of proportion.
And, yes I think it is disproportianate to destroy each and every member of an alliance because you have an issue with some people in the alliance.
All, please take a look at yourself and think if this really is who and what you want to be.