TIE has spies in WR

this could be a hard 1 to call and i will put some thought in to it as i will think about wots best for the server as a hole and wot my allance wonts as well as the Imperium when i have made my mind up i will let the Imperium now about it

Is war really that expensive? All but the most advanced economies ingame appear scared to death?

In any case.. good read, guys. The stories are interesting.

* looks around * starts walking > a little fast > a little fast > starts running

Screams

"Waaaaaaarr"

suddenly stop "huh??!!??" ...... " am i alone " ?

i only seeing wr members doing wrong stuff ! i don't see in any way how this post even helps your cause ! do you ?

Kenzu wrote:Here is a proof that WR is not the one bullying and that WR members are actually bullied. Obviously WR steps in to protect the small members.

Here is a full list of conflicts between WR members and others:

3cats4me and space2050
WR newbie attacking a player who they cannot harm after being farmed
Offense: failed attack 0 damage
Result: WR is punished

Starryager vs. Cicero (september 05)
Starryager assasinate a player to farm him
Offense: 82.500.00 kuwal in killed units
Result: I have told him never to be an agressor. He agreed.

tackless-shadow VS skyshadow (august 08)
WR newbie threatening a player who they cannot harm
Offense: threats of a powerless person
Result: tackless shadow responded to the threats with waiting and then massing him and then sitting on him until WR came to help our helpless newbie massing tackless shadow partially killing 2000 (10% population)

tackless-shadow VS rapmaster (august 16)
WR newbie attacking a player who they cannot harm
Offense: failed attack 0 dama
Result: rapmaster massed, rapmaster apologised

redblublu vs rob3rt (september)
Redblulu attacked rob3rt
Offense: killing roughly 500-5000 units
Result: Redblulu has been told by me to stop his aggression, he agreed and made a peace treaty with robert.

rob3rt vs redblulu (september)
rob3rt attacked redblulu as revenge for the previous war
Offense: killing roughly 500-5000 units
Result: rob3rt made peace with redblulu, and promised not to attack again

rob3rt vs redblulu (september)
rob3rt attacked redblulu again, because redblulu was growing too fast
Offense: killing roughly 500-5000 units
Result: rob3rt after being told not to attack redblulu and continuing has been partially massed loosing 11.000 units, roughly 10% of population.

cmarius (The Company) vs ConnorMacLoud (World Republic) (september 25)
cmarius attacked (sab and assassination) our member.
Offense: 30.000.000 damages
Result: paid by reaper

Korruption vs Starryager (october 07)
starryager threatened korruption for farming him. Later he apologised for the threats. After some time Korruption massed Starryager even though Starryager didnt harm him and apologised.
Offense: Korruption killed over 100.000 miners and wiped his military (50% population)
Result: Korruption continues to bully starryager and sit on his account. After being talked to, he said that he will sit on him until he gets bored of the game. Korruption is clearly bullying a WR member .

############# edited out - Kenzu's publically announced suicide note###################

lol, even in that post kenzu lied through his teeth

I ll direct you all to the folling topic:

http://aderanwars.forumotion.com/personal-wars-treaties-f5/redblulu-world-republic-vs-r0b3rt-the-others-t804.htm

Kenzu's post above (the bit i ve highlighted/ bolded) says robert attacked Redblublu - the reality is that, as it turns out later, some other players attacked reblublu, acting on behalf of robert, without robert's knowledge or consent. In that instance - rather than World Republic retaliating against the actual players who massed reblublu - they massed Robert (something kenzu's post completely failed to mention - with him just saying that the result was peace and robert agreeing not to attack again - as oppossed to what actually happened with WR beating the crap out of robert, with the result of robert agreeing to peace due to zero choice in the matter) nstead - who had done absolutely zero, nothing, squat, zilch etc... to World Republic's members since the previous conflict (in which a peace treaty was agreed)

Kenzu has failed to grasp why we are now going to war. These reasons are simple:

1.) World Republic has the habit of smashing much smaller players - and has smashed much smaller players more than any other alliance on AW has ever done.

2.) World Republic has a habit of smashing players without first trying any serious diplomacy.

3.) World Republic has a habit of presenting certain situations in a way consistent with their goals - as oppossed to actually what the situation is. In this example (highlighted in bold above) concerning robert - kenzu clearly states above that it was robert who attacked redblublu. As everyone can read for themselves on the above link i ve provided - this presentation isn't just inaccurate - its a downright misrepresentation and outright lie - changed to fit the purpose of trying to present World Republic as being the victims of nasty aggression by others, and of World Republic being the kind compassionate alliance.

4.) World Republic and Kenzu have consistently lied to us, and the server as a whole. They cannot be trusted generally, and can only be trusted in so far as they can trusted to try and stabb us in the back/ harm us in some way at first opportunity.

Finally - and now reason 5 is the most important in my books:

5.) Regardless of points to 1 > 4 - myself and many in The Commonwealth, and The Imperium as a whole - have simply had enough of Kenzu's representation and picture he's trying to paint of us as being the liars, manipulators and bullies.

We are sick of it - and we don't like such stuff being said which is pretty damn unfair given we ve never yet massed any of them, and only demanded the truth and that they implement a code of conduct - and that we ve not once threatened or terrorrised anyone else who's not in world republic. As such - in my books, as of last night - points 1 > 4 are mere bonus points in favour of a war. Point 5 is now the most important - my patience has well and truly expired.

Oh well.... game over.

souldog wrote:* looks around * starts walking > a little fast > a little fast > starts running

Screams

"Waaaaaaarr"

suddenly stop "huh??!!??" ...... " am i alone " ?

that's and other look around and feels the ground shaking a large army approaches it seems i gather an army of 1.9 mil at my side to crush my enemy !

Dawg, I lol'd!

Kenzu wrote:Here is a proof that WR is not the one bullying and that WR members are actually bullied. Obviously WR steps in to protect the small members.

*Edited to shorten but also to highlight what my response is too*

You should help new player no matter what alliance they are in and not simply beat up every little guy who is angry at you for stealing his hard earned kuwal. People, please have more empathy!

I will let each and every one of you go and look and see the threads and make your own conclusions. Kenzu, I agree with you, but what you say, and what you do are infact 2 seperate and completely different things.

I, Special Agent 47, do not actively hit active accounts unless by accident. Why? Because I know full well what I am capable of. I challenge you, or anyone else to prove me wrong.

You, Kenzu, leader of WR, you in the case of Tackless shadow, did mass a new player into the ground for defending himself and smacking a WR member. You attempted NO diplomacy of any kind until he was massed.

True or false?

You, Kenzu, Leader of WR, in the case of Reyno did give authorization to a WR HC member to assasinate a standing and active defense for raiding pourposes, after declaring those very same actions as a sign of war in your own code of conduct.

True or false?

I could go on, but there is no use. All of you draw your own conclusions.

Let it be known now, and for ever more. I have NO problem with WR or any member other then Kenzu. I have no ill will, nor seek to harm its members in any way. Normal attacks, kewal attacks, even scuffles will happen. It is a war game after all. I will even go so far as to say Thank you to Kenzu for the good he has done, the help he has given, to WR and all members of this game.

NSA (The company's first name for those who didnt know) stood and fought Rflash and GD when they heavily farmed all members of the server. WR helped to fund us. We were victorious for the most part. There was never ill will towards WR, even tho we actively farmed their inactive members. Then we get a message from Kenzu openly and actively trying to recruit spies in our alliance. He fully admits it was to cause termoil in our alliance in hopes of causing internal strife. Then we see time and time again where WR battered and abused players who were new but not part of WR. Go to the arena section and look and read the personal wars for yourself. When Ian took a stand against Kenzu for his abusive actions all this started.

Kenzu, as an alliance leader you should stand up for your members. When war breaks out you should try diplomacy FIRST, and then if fully ignored you should act with force. You were wrong in the tacklessshadow case because your WR member was the aggresser, and you smashed him without ever even attempting diplomacy. You are now wrong in the Korruption case, because you do not defend your member. You have tried diplomacy, and it has failed. Its your duty to act to protect your members.

All I have ever wanted from you was for you to pull the knife out of my back, apologize, and be a man about it. Stop blaming everyone else, TIE mainly, and accept responsibility for what you did.

Is everything you did wrong? No. Are you a dispicable person? No. Are you an "evil" force in this game? No

But you have lied, and got caught. You have acted maliciously, and got caught. You still refuse to accept responsiblity and admit what you HAVE done (Not what you are accused of, just what you know yourself that you have done).

That is why we are in the position we are in.

Take it as you will, ALL of you.

Hey Ken, it's me, your fellow officer



btw. Ken, I'm always with you. YOur my man.


I just want to clarify about the accusation to the WR about attacking smaller players.

We only attack smaller players for farming, considering their alliance and other risks(We only attack an alliance member if we know that we can take the risk if that alliance or member will come in for retaliation). WHy would we attack or even just attempt to farm an alliance member if we know that we would suffer and won't stand the retaliation. Also, Ken and the other officials sometimes attack us to prevent kuwal from being stolen by other non-WR members. I was once attacked by Ken, and pm'ed him about it, and he gladly sent back almost all of the stolen kuwal. WR will always stand beside Ken.

attacking smaller accounts for 20-30m meh, i do that too and I hit people for bigger amounts.
As you can see for 2 of my attacks today(not even some of the best examples), by hitting more active accounts I saved my self 10 ATs and 6 STs

[08 Nov] 04:41 xxxx 207,483,360 Kuwal stolen 27 223 153,931,779 170,779,371 details
Weapon strength went from 560 to 534
4,464,400 Kuwal Per Point
repair cost 116,074,400
UU is worth 115k so to rebuy my losses 25,645,000
total cost to grab 141,719,400
Profit - 65,763,960

[08 Nov] 04:40 xxxx 220,726,394 Kuwal stolen 29 184 133,577,269 181,129,636 details
Weapon strength went from 560 to 537
4,464,400 Kuwal Per Point
repair cost 102,681,200
UU is worth 115k so to rebuy my losses 21,160,000
total cost to grab 123,841,200
Profit - 96,885,194

the names were removed to protect my farms

no reviving threads...